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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 12, 2022 21:40:12 GMT
good stuff there O.M . obviously you're preaching to the converted with me...lol, but the quality of the points is strong. good example with Coyle. I can remember the Shankly comparisons at Burnley, and the Arsenal links with us. i'd probably give him way, way more credit than I.E. at least he got Burnley up on a low budget, and he found some diamonds with us, like Stu Holden, cheap and yet virtually top 4 quality. "buying from below" . again, this ties in to your next point, buying from above...Doyle, Sarce, MJ, Lee, John, Afolayan, Marcus Maddison, etc etc you've made good points on this before, he's not had to generate money by selling, or been forced to sell any of his better players. what a privilege that is. just look at how many big names & key players the last 5 or 6 BWFC managers have had to sell. Megson. > Anelka Coyle >Cahill Freedman > ? various players he seemed to be creating friction with to get them out & off the wage bill.... was it Eagles , Tyrone Mears, Medo ?? etc Lennon > CYL Parkinson> Zach Clough. Rob Holding also lost pre-season. Madine had suddenly become a talismanic player , then he had to go . another one i've got give O.M credit for with his characterisation of the jekyll and hyde nature of Evatt. the inconsistencies. that pathetic article from yesterday about, "players are surprised at negativity around the club etc. !? " one minute he's building expectations...best centre back outside the prem. only a year ago, we were the best team in the lge. also first season.... i'm going to beat pep to a trophy etc. but next minute downplaying expectations. big clubs have big expectations. we're not huge but we are a pretty big fish in this Div. i'd much prefer him to be saying something along the lines of this, yeah we've not played great the last month, I can understand the high standards and expectation. you get this at big clubs, but we can cope with it because we have these standards too. etc etc. I think you've said before he seems to think he's like some Junior Klopp or Pep, but he'd never cope with any kind of questioning & scrutiny like those big names get. even Klopp biting back at Agbonlahor on Talksport etc. I.E did come out after one game and admit it had been below par the last month or so. and you think oh well, that's a bit better. would have preferred it 2 weeks ago. admit the problem. a good manager should be like a good Doctor. diagnose the problem and deal with it. www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/23100997.romance-fa-cup-still-alive-bolton-wanderers-boss-ian-evatt/ which he had previously denied more than once, then he suddenly reverts to virtually denying it again. just weird !! back to today...don't call me the tinkerman. todays team sheet. 4 changes again . haha !?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 12, 2022 22:21:02 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Nov 13, 2022 8:06:52 GMT
Good comments especially the one about managers being under pressure talking to fans like blind mugs.
Ian could have told it straight. That weve not done well at grounds like this, in games like this recently and historically so to keep us in the hunt we need to be getting a point on the road and going for 3 at home.
Personlly think he knows deep down he's out of ideas. Hes built this team around Bradley, sacraficing Dapo and Sadlier as wide attack a la last seasons good run, he goes in Jan it looks real bleak for him.
I dont think were in the minority anymore. Still think he has a half a dozen games but theres a lot in the "Not saying Evatt out BUT" camp.
Got a feeling a dire home performance. Joey Barton will know how to get in his head. He gets a red and embarasses himself and our club and that could be D Day.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 13, 2022 11:08:24 GMT
Joey Barton OoM? Have we got Bristol Rovers next or is he still at Fleetwood?? Not sureš¤
I sometimes wonder if SB is too āscaredā to make any changes, but then, she soon got rid of motor mouth Mk 1 (Hill) could she rid us of motor mouth MK 2?
Cream rises as we all know and the expected teams (Sheff W Derby Portsmouth Ipswich) are all doing the bizzo, whereas we are dropping and Iām guessing weāre going to drop fast
I donāt want him backed in January in the transfer market as weāll just end up with the same old same old (couple of decent players quickly turned average by his poor coaching methods)
Cannot state who id like to replace him at this moment but surely a change will be as good as a rest
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Post by Pedro on Nov 13, 2022 11:52:41 GMT
Just watched the extended replay and reminded that we did have some great chances - all wasted by inaccuracy in heading or shooting. Most corners wasted too. WTF do they do in training? Just make all players play worse?
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 13, 2022 12:29:47 GMT
Just watched the extended replay and reminded that we did have some great chances - all wasted by inaccuracy in heading or shooting. Most corners wasted too. WTF do they do in training? Just make all players play worse? I think thatās what everyoneās saying Pedro, itās the coaching thatās the problem, or even lack of it at set pieces? Listening to him talk heās all mumbo jumbo. I donāt understand what heās on about and I wonder if some of the players do, or whether theyāve just given up to it? He was right yesterday when he said that āfootballs a simple game complicated by people like me.ā His constant changing of players, their positions, his system and substitutions surely canāt be helping. Iāve said before and I mean it genuinely, that heās been allowed to sign too many players, all of whom are average at best. Other than Bod and Sadlier, who he rarely plays, I canāt think of any recent signing who has impressed. Bradley obviously but even he is nowhere near where he was when he came and it wouldnāt surprise me in the least if he was off in January. Iredale, Dempsey and Beck just look ordinary and certainly not game changers yet have forced out players like John and Dapo who could be and indeed were. I donāt know where we go from here but Iām sure that FV arenāt happy despite Evattās claims.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 13, 2022 12:50:02 GMT
Isnāt it time we got an explanation on Declan Johns continued absence or have I missed summat, is he being ignored due to a fall out or is he injured?
I fear the former
Itās not beyond a successful manager to get the boot. Leam Richardson found this out. Promotion - Sacked I just feel that FV/SB are quite happy that we are in survival mode, mid table positioning and winning the odd game here and there As custodians of this famous Lancashire club, they will be hounded out themselves if the fans turn their attention from Evatt onto them. We cannot keep harping back to the āadministration threatā days, thatās in the past now. Yes we very nearly didnāt have a club to support and for that, we thank FV but fans are only patient to a point If weāre not moving forward, we are standing still, or worse, dropping back to nowhere
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 13, 2022 15:47:40 GMT
The problem is rioch, that Evatt has proved in every season of his short managerial career that he can turn things around so Iām sure FV will give him every chance to prove he can do it again before even considering removing him. Wider than that, can they afford to sack him, theyāre not exactly flush with cash are they? I donāt though believe that they will be happy to just potter around in L1 season after season.I donāt know but I suspect that their objective is to get the club into the Championship and then sell it on to someone with deeper pockets. Theyāve been lucky so far and undeniably helped by the support theyāve had, including the iFollow income but unless things improve I suspect both of those, as well as season tickets, will fall off as fans become dissatisfied. Given our difficult start of fixtures we made really good progress but the last 6 weeks or so when we were playing the weaker sides weāve completely failed to capitalise on it. I canāt believe that the owners arenāt distinctly unhappy about it and that pressure isnāt being applied, all be it gently at the moment on Evatt. We havenāt had any comments from Sharon but as you say, unless things improve the pressure is going to move to them to do something about the situation. Itās still recoverable before January if Evatt can turn it round but Iām just not sure he has it in him to do it. Experience always counts in these situations and he doesnāt have any so I just hope that heās got an older head, confidante, that he can turn to for some advice, assuming of course his ego will let him?? šµāš«
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Post by chip on Nov 13, 2022 16:35:34 GMT
Iām not in the Ian out brigade just yet but he needs to lighten up a bit and let the players off the leash a bit and start playing with some more flair with quicker movement going forward because I really donāt think we are that bad a team. Onwards and upwards COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Nov 13, 2022 17:10:26 GMT
Joey Barton OoM? Have we got BRistol Rocers next or is he still at Fleetwood?? Not sureš¤ I sometimes wonder if SB is too āscaredā to make any changes, but then, she soon got rid of motor mouth Mk 1 (Hill) could she rid us of motor mouth MK 2? Cream rises as we all know and the expected teams (Sheff W Derby Portsmouth Ipswich) are all doing the bizzo, whereas we are dropping and Iām guessing weāre going to drop fast I donāt want him backed in January in the transfer market as weāll just end up with the same old same old (couple of decent players quickly turned average by his poor coaching methods) Cannot state who id like to replace him at this moment but surely a change will be as good as a rest Was thinking home against Bristol Rovers would be a devisive and decisive match. Actually Fleetwood have Scott Brown dont they. If hes the same as his playing days at Celtic then that could be a busy day for the 4th official too
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Post by OohMac on Nov 13, 2022 18:34:28 GMT
The problem is rioch, that Evatt has proved in every season of his short managerial career that he can turn things around so Iām sure FV will give him every chance to prove he can do it again before even considering removing him. Wider than that, can they afford to sack him, theyāre not exactly flush with cash are they? Its not turning it round through training and coaching though. Its half a new team who come raw and do well. Then fade. If Declan John goes on a free in Jan. Expect he will. Thats a rumoured amount of Ā£750K lost. Can FV look past that. If you know nothing about football even you'd like to know why top scorer and player of the season is now so unused and dropping in value on a weekly basis.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 13, 2022 18:38:36 GMT
Isnāt it time we got an explanation on Declan Johns continued absence or have I missed summat Ha, hes ill. Spotted kicking off after being subbed in the Leeds u21 game. Banished to play for B team "for extra mins" and then "ill". Guy still says theres no fall out from Sarcevic and Doyle even though Sarce has made it pretty clear there was a massive row.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 13, 2022 20:12:03 GMT
Evatt should have gone after that first round FA cup defeat in my opinion
AT HOME TO BARNSLEY ffs RUBBISH
Watched the East Lancs derby earlier and the Dingles from Ewood played the Evatt - Pep game and duly got battered All that pissin about from the goalie passing to his defenders along his 15 yard line and they got caught out twice, just the same way we do when we follow Evattās game plan Even Pep gets it wrong in the majority of occasions, he just has the talent to pull him out the shit
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 14, 2022 11:19:20 GMT
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/23122220.ex-bolton-wanderers-coach-phil-browns-verdict-clubs-lack-goals/surprised to see even a mildly critical article from the BN. maybe small sign that the tide might be turning. I see Whites and O.M straight in with their comments !. I'm with O.M on that one & the other commenter, Reebok2. it's the way they are being played, rather the the strikers. we scored 74 goals last season. Rotherham got promoted with just 70. Charles started off more like a 1 in 1 man than 1 in 2. Dapo got into double figures. Bod was 1 in 3. Baka ( he of the 20 goals chant !) got 1 in 3 also. look at the results since Jan, the goals were flying in. 6 v Sunderland. 4 v wimbledon & fleetwood, 3 v accy, lincoln, gillingham. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021%E2%80%9322_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._season#Results_by_matchdayclean sheets were more of an issue last year. we were effectively what i would call a "2-1 side". you'd be fairly sure we'd score but less certain of the clean sheet. if we got that first goal, we'd probably win. if we didn't, we'd probably lose. now we seem to have totally over-balanced back to the back. the clean sheet is much more possible but goals very hard to come by especially AWAY, where they are virtually non-existent especially from open play. we've failed to score in 5 of our 8 AWAY games. no team has a worse record than that, even the relegation duffers. (only Cheltenham can match it. 2 others are on 5 but they've played more games. ) just a reminder of those other away games, as it doesn't get much wider publicity in any BN stuff or whatever. Ipswich we only scored a pen. and MK we scored a pen & set piece, so of those 8 away games we've played, we've only scored any open play goals in JUST ONE OF THEM. and that was Accy where we did score 3 but they had conceded 3 in the 2 games previous to that, as well as the 2 games after that.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 14, 2022 11:44:36 GMT
We know all that rtf, the stats are telling us but to be honest we donāt need stats because we can see it on the pitch. The annoying thing is that Evatt can see it too but doesnāt seem to have a clue what to do about it so he chops and changes all the time instead of looking back to when it was working and going back to that. The only stat I want is that we scored one more than the opposition, whoever they are. Weāve been put to the sword now by all the teams languishing at the bottom for over a month now and the only points weāve gained were hugely fortuitous ones, whatever Evatt claims. We should be at least 10 points further than we are now and I put all that down to Evatt. Leaving out the likes of John and Dapo, for whatever reason, dropping the likes of Bod after he scored the winner days earlier and must have been itching to get out again makes no sense. I so want Evatt to be successful and I do appreciate the job heās done so far but heās got to get a grip and improve things now, not in January. Was he really going to start Bod on Saturday or was he really āIllā like weāre constantly told Declan John is? Itās hard to trust anything thatās coming out at the moment and you wonder if the camp generally is happy? I used to see players smiling and looking like they were enjoying it but now I just see scowls and players who look like theyāre just going through the motions. Time will tell but it doesnāt smell right to me.
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