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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 15, 2022 21:36:10 GMT
I dont know how Ian could come out before the match and said "we have learnt how to play in these conditions". Prove it on the night. Despite our 1 goal a season last week we are still not good enough at set pieces in either box. And for me Dion Charles is our Harry Kane. No rotation. No resting. If hes fit, he should start. Its not like he cant do physical side. Yes, OM , I was thinking exactly the same thing. no doubt this was another of Evatt's...." it isn't actually true statements, just motivational..".like the best team in lge statement. motivational aspect worked wonders too agree to some extent with the latter point too. you would think either Dapo or Dion would start, esp seeing Dapo only came on at 67 mins last game. is he carrying something ?? .
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 15, 2022 21:36:35 GMT
It’s like davidm stated We lost this game before kick off
And Dion pops one in⚽️
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Post by chip on Feb 15, 2022 21:39:19 GMT
Yessssssssssss give the travelling army something to shout about COYWM
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 15, 2022 21:41:35 GMT
Bodvarsson has had 97 minutes to show me how shit he is
Terrible result, totally shocking All Ian Evatt’s fault
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Post by one2many on Feb 15, 2022 21:50:42 GMT
I thought the rotation made sense and don't blame the personnel. Burton had a 10 minute period where everything they touched ended up in our net. We had chances to get back into the game but their keeper made a few good stops. Bodvarsson looks average and doubt he will score many if at all this season. Not our worst performance, simply didn't defend well for 10 minutes. After that, never thought Burton would score (though perhaps they took their foot of the pedal).
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Post by andyl on Feb 15, 2022 21:51:38 GMT
Can only repeat that we were top for all stats bar corners. Maybe I misread h-t but second half very one sided.
I thought Saddlier, Dempsey, Bodvarson all did well and but for some key saves we'd have matched them. If Bakayoko scores his great chance game on from half an hour.
The game totally illustrates the obvious fact only one stat counts and maybe that we are a counter attacking team and need to score first to create the context.
I come back to the fact that we have that great glaring frailty at centre half. It's not so much that Santos was particularly at fault tonight but he has no.presence. as often as not he marks nobody and is in no mans land- defending as primary school children instinctively do till taught. He's hopeless in the air. We missed Jones at the far post too. So the overall result was fear and risk when Burton had a set piece.
Stick Wheater at his peak in there and we win that with late Charles goal. Alas with Santos lummoxing about we give ourselves a mountain to climb against an inferoor team
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 15, 2022 22:00:08 GMT
Absolutely awful tonight. Burton just battered us in that first 20 minutes and we couldn’t handle it despite the fact that we probably had the biggest side we’ve had for ages. How Bod gets outjumped by a guy at least 6 inches shorter astounds me. It’s still early days yet to be fair but so far I don’t rate what I see. I think we can safely say that will be the first and last time, bar injuries, that we’ll see Bod and Baka start together. We definitely missed Dion’s pace and harrying of defenders and we were noticeably better when he came on,just a shame Evatt didn’t do it at half time. Pluses tonight, both Sadlier and Dempsey looked decent, especially Sadlier who was all over the pitch but got little support. Big disappointment tonight because that’s one we definitely should have won. Can’t blame the pitch, same for both sides and actually it seemed to stand up better than I expected. As mentioned earlier, don’t change a winning side unless your forced to. Hopefully Ian will have learned that tonight and find other ways to keep players happy whilst not starting.
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Post by davidm on Feb 15, 2022 22:08:51 GMT
I tend to disagree with some of the above comments because I though we were terrible.
A lot of the issues start with the manager.
As I said at half-time, we lost this game before kick-off with the decision to leave out all our small skillful players and fill the team with slow giants.
This resulted in practically no decent passing attacking play and just endless high ball which Bakayoko and Bodvarsson did hopeless with.
It was as though we had never seen Burton play before.
We gave away endless throw ins and corners and paid the price for it. Burton’s sole play was to win throws or corners and hurl the ball in. We defended abysmally. What did we do in training?
Bakayoko outjumped for the 1st goal.
Bodvarsson outjumped for the 2nd goal and
An absolute shambles for the 3rd when we could have cleared it many times.
Bakayoko missed a great chance at 3-0 when he shot too close to the keeper and Sadlier had a good free kick well saved but that was it for the first half.
Amazingly, we kept the same 11 for the first 15 minutes of the second half.
We almost conceded immediately when a corner landed in our box and all hell broke loose. Very lucky not to concede.
We then had a 15 minute spell of dominance. Bakayoko missed another great chance. That man has no right foot which for a professional footballer is awful.
Charles and Afolayan came on but the game was gone. We kept giving away needless throw ins and they hurled the ball in and terrified us.
We got one back in injury time when Charles did a lovely lob over the keeper.
It was a dreadful dreadful performance . The whole team (except Charles) were poor and the manager was tactically inept.
Marks:-
Trafford - 3 Looked terrified every time the ball came into the box which is understandable when you look at the appalling defending in front of him. Aimson - 3 Part of a dreadful defence. His passing is rank bad too Santos - 2 Just nothing. The captain could not organise his defence and it was hard to think of any important headers that he won Johnston - 3 The normal comment about him – he cannot win headers Fossey - 3 Just not in the game at all John - 2 No defensive input at all and no going forward either. Williams - 2 He has lost all form recently. His passing was woeful and he was overrun Dempsey - 2 Very disappointing. His passing was poor and was hardly in the game Sadlier - 2 One good free kick but could not get a grip of the game. Shied away from too many challenges Bakayoko - 2 No right foot so he missed a great chance. Also should have scored in the first half. Outjumped for the header for the first goal (and this was a few minutes after he was outjumped at the previous corner) Bodvarsson - 3 Made some effort in the second half. Badly at fault for the 2nd goal when outjumped by a man 5 or 6 inches shorter than him Charles - 6 If he had started we would have scored a few. He would have scored both of Bakayoko’s misses Afolayan - 4 Lively but he needs to get his football brain into gear and realise that you don’t shoot every time you get within 30 yards of goal, particularly when other players are in good position Amaechi - 2 Oh dear. Everything he did, he got wrong. He should have been playing for the reserves this afternoon to get match fit.
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 15, 2022 22:18:23 GMT
I thought the ref missed an early penalty for s foul on Fossey, and likewise a free kick to us in the build-up to their first goal. If either had been given it would have put Burton off their stride The pitch was sticky and heavy but was good enough to have played more of our first eleven for more of the time. As has been said often we are poor at set pieces front and back and our defending ceftainly had young Trafford in a whirl. We are so happy to give away easy throw=ins and corners., and this is meat and drink to such a physical side as Burton. I have been saying this for a few weeks now, but Williams is not holding midfield together to my satisfaction, and frequently misses tackles or makes rash ones. This was the kind of hiccup we could do without in our quest to get 30 points from our last 15 games, I have seen the criticisms of Bodvarsson, but I think he could be very good playing alongside the superb Charles, not so good alongside Santos.
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Post by one2many on Feb 16, 2022 8:40:52 GMT
He wasn't on the pitch for long, but Amaechi provided two comedy moments. Both times were running down the left wing with the ball at his feet where he looked pure poetry in motion. The first time, he fell flat on his face and the second he ran straight into a Burton player even though he had options to pass or go round him.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 16, 2022 9:46:30 GMT
The King of the Colemanballs is quickly catching up to Keith Hill
“We are the best team in this league” Really? We should be and we’ve had a great run that has come to a shuddering halt by a physical side that know our weaknesses-defending set pieces
“We have learned our lesson” In response to Burtons muddy pitch and reference to the Plymouth debacle. Clearly we haven’t Ian
“Bodvarsson is ready to go” No he isn’t Ian, he reminds me of a lazy version of Trevor Morgan and a poor man’s Heidar Helgusson
“We can’t keep picking the same 11” If players can’t handle 2 games in a week, get rid of em!
“I think it was all us” It was all us. Us showing our lack of physical presence as we don’t appear to have any
“Limit the risk of them getting injured” Er, hellooooo. Football is a contact sport Ian and there’s risks every time you cross the white line
Their form coming into this game wasn’t that good and It’s one thing having a go at their set pieces and physicality (as I have done above) but there were 79 minutes left of the game to address a 3-0 deficit and Ian blew it. He should have made changes at half time, even, dare o say, when that 3rd goal went in, that’s what good brave manager do, they realise where they’ve messed up
Ah well 2 home games coming up, both home bankers (NOT) so let’s see how Ian responds before MKD show us how it’s done
Anything less than 6 points tells me he has failed to prepare God I’m so angry 😡😡
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Post by OohMac on Feb 16, 2022 9:58:36 GMT
Just seen his post match reaction. I just dont like the guy.
When we win I always think theres a snide comment thrown in. Like fans are unjust in thinking losing 7 on the spin away is acceptable.
And when we lose he comes out with daft comments that football fans just wont buy. Like "we cant keep picking the same 11 players" no Ian, thats why Sharon has paid for new recruits to make up your 23 man squad. If you cant change 3 or 4 players without giving the game away in 20mins suggest the depth and recruitment isnt as good as a. You think or b. Needs to be.
Also said apart from long throws and corners what did Burton do? Erm, what do they need to do. Imagine John Cleese asking "yes well apart from the goals, stopping us scoring, managing the game right what did The Brewers ever do?"
He did also say that Burton have found our Achilles heel. So i guess all the guff about learning was just false bravado and now weve alerted our inefficiencies to all the league.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 16, 2022 10:11:11 GMT
No doubt the changes made last night affected us, especially at the start before the players got into their stride and personally whilst I don’t actually blame Evatt for playing two big men up front, when it clearly wasn’t working, he should have changed it earlier and certainly at half time. I think last night we also saw the true James Trafford and the one who failed at Accrington. He was just awful and has no idea on how to command his box. There were numerous crosses that he should have come for but then seeing how he nervously fumbled the ones he did come for, perhaps it’s as well he didn’t. Defensively we’re a mess, no physicality or heading ability at all. Other teams will look at this and see our weakness so we need to prepare for it in the next two games. That result could be the difference for us on making the play offs and if it is then it’s all down to IE I’m afraid.
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Post by Pedro on Feb 16, 2022 11:22:43 GMT
Back to normal, déja vu. WOT do they do in training? All good and correct points above and should be enforced reading for IE.
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Post by chip on Feb 16, 2022 11:41:51 GMT
Another team up and at them in our faces, high balls into the box we just couldn't deal with them. Yes we had more shots, more possession but for me when we went 3-0 down Ian should have straight away prepared his team for 3 changes at halftime. For me this season is all about staying up and building a very good team for next season if we make the play-offs all well and good if not it's not the end of the road. Stay safe one and all onwards and upwards COYWM
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