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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 13, 2021 11:38:59 GMT
I’m shitting it for the Wycombe game and if Cole Stockton has a blinder, that could be the game that tells us where we are really heading😬😬😬 rftr I pretty much agree with everything you say, except that Cole Stockton plays for Morecambe. No I meant what I said RTF🙂 I think it’s to be expected that we will lose to Wycombe then up pops Cole Stockton’s Morecambe for what could be a defining moment in the season. Lose that and we really are in deep do do
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 13, 2021 12:29:00 GMT
What I’d like to know is, what are people like Nick Mason and otherslinked to the club actually doing here? If they’re investors then where’s their investment, or are they just hangers on for their friends. I know Sharon “saved” the club but I’m afraid if all she wants is a football club on a paltry budget, she should have gone for Bury instead. I’m not being ungrateful but running a club the size and stature of Wanderers takes cash and if they don’t have it maybe they should just accept it and sell on to owners who do?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 13, 2021 13:42:08 GMT
What I’d like to know is, what are people like Nick Mason and otherslinked to the club actually doing here? If they’re investors then where’s their investment, or are they just hangers on for their friends. I know Sharon “saved” the club but I’m afraid if all she wants is a football club on a paltry budget, she should have gone for Bury instead. I’m not being ungrateful but running a club the size and stature of Wanderers takes cash and if they don’t have it maybe they should just accept it and sell on to owners who do? At last Someone talking sense Guess I’ve been a bit too scared to say anything negative toward our owners in case I get a barrage of abuse, but yes, they need to really show their teeth and back Bolton Wanderers in the right way and that is to back a talented manager with cash We are past all that stuff about ‘saving the club’ that’s been done, we are 2-3 years on from that now and FV own the club, it’s theirs, financially, but it will always be ours, spiritually No fans-No club I too wonder why Nick is associated with us? Will he be on drums at the BWFC Chrimbo party? And what’s all that about with SB stood next to Adam Kamani (BooHoo and Man City fan) making up some comment like ‘watch this space’ Thanks so far SB/FV but it’s next level stuff now and time to get really serious or sell up. You’ve been very privileged to own such a wonderful football club, make it happen I’m only here for my club COYWM ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by andyl on Dec 13, 2021 15:18:30 GMT
I suppose the practical issue is to define what is malfunctioning? Board? Management? Players ?Fans.
Taking last first there is most definitely a small and identifiable cadre of idiots who take embarrassment and hazard wherever they travel. Fans who just want to sit and see a football match are at times despised and seldom given preference.
But then there is a far larger group who are realistic, grateful that the club exists at all and pragmatic about the step up from one division to another. PP's team had stepped down and enjoyed the advantages of a Rotherham or Wigan today.
The manager does come across as one dimensional and at times myopic. So too as rtf has ably pointed out have others most notably Pep G absorbed in his own aura last year.
This one also comes over as hectoring and even bullying. Is that his way with players or just officials? Turning on fans as Megson found is not a good idea. But he has also given us some good football at times.
Is it money and team value. For what its worth transfer markt has us 15th in value our exact position. I'm not convinced. Less valuable teams are higher placed.
Injuries also inevitably affect- unquestionably.
But why do we wilt under adverse conditions? Why do we lack strength and physicality. Our average age for most games is 29/8 - that should convey consistency . Maybe it is quality but there's not a lot in other teams and most are younger.
Confidence is low. We lack a spine. The likes of Delfouneso don't help that. Do we need more youth Tweedley Pettifer and Henry looked lively v Fleetwood 2? But do we expect too much of say Thomason and Dapo and too little of Doyle.
I just see glaring weaknesses aerially and positionally. I don't think this is yet at SB's door but my jury is most definitely out on IE. The players might just be good enough. Time will tell. Right now it's dispiriting but we really don't need an unaffordable spending spree.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 13, 2021 18:51:17 GMT
I suppose the practical issue is to define what is malfunctioning? Board? Management? Players ?Fans. Taking last first there is most definitely a small and identifiable cadre of idiots who take embarrassment and hazard wherever they travel. Fans who just want to sit and see a football match are at times despised and seldom given preference. But then there is a far larger group who are realistic, grateful that the club exists at all and pragmatic about the step up from one division to another. PP's team had stepped down and enjoyed the advantages of a Rotherham or Wigan today. The manager does come across as one dimensional and at times myopic. So too as rtf has ably pointed out have others most notably Pep G absorbed in his own aura last year. This one also comes over as hectoring and even bullying. Is that his way with players or just officials? Turning on fans as Megson found is not a good idea. But he has also given us some good football at times. Is it money and team value. For what its worth transfer markt has us 15th in value our exact position. I'm not convinced. Less valuable teams are higher placed. Injuries also inevitably affect- unquestionably. But why do we wilt under adverse conditions? Why do we lack strength and physicality. Our average age for most games is 29/8 - that should convey consistency . Maybe it is quality but there's not a lot in other teams and most are younger. Confidence is low. We lack a spine. The likes of Delfouneso don't help that. Do we need more youth Tweedley Pettifer and Henry looked lively v Fleetwood 2? But do we expect too much of say Thomason and Dapo and too little of Doyle. I just see glaring weaknesses aerially and positionally. I don't think this is yet at SB's door but my jury is most definitely out on IE. The players might just be good enough. Time will tell. Right now it's dispiriting but we really don't need an unaffordable spending spree. I don’t believe anybody is talking about an unaffordable spending spree Andy, I think most sensible fans agree with the sustainable route but in the current environment, few clubs need to pay expensive transfer fees because contracts run out but they do have to be competitive on wages and I’m just not sure we are. At some point, if the board genuinely want to back IE and the club to climb the leagues, at least into the Championship, then they must pay the going rate for quality in essential positions at least. Strikers score goals that win games, keepers prevent goals that lose games, yet we seem to have neither but still expect to win and keep clean sheets as well. Reality is it’s not happening and you can be completely sustainable and pay minimum wages if you like but don’t expect to be successful. If Sharon truly has confidence in IE then she must show that by investing in January. If she expects him to constantly do it for zilch it won’t happen. Fans knew in the summer that we needed a good striker and a good keeper but Evatt disagreed, or maybe wasn’t given the money to sign them? Dixon I’m afraid was a second Billy Crellin and whilst I’m sure he will improve, isn’t up to it at the moment, nor Doyle on his own up the other end. That’s not being cruel it’s just being honest. You get what you pay for and adding 3 or 4 quality signings next summer must be the aim. For January a few decent loans will suffice for now to keep us up and allow the injured to come back.
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Post by chip on Dec 13, 2021 21:17:37 GMT
We had 12 brilliant seasons in the premier league but unfortunately we tried to chase the dream to stay there and we wasted a lot of good money on bad management and players with a certain he who will not be named chairman who almost killed us but we have survived. It’s going to take a little longer to get back to were I feel we belong unfortunately not in the premier league because for that you do need trillions so call me boring but I’ll settle for championship football with some great cup run’s. Onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Dec 14, 2021 9:17:17 GMT
Not sure any of our backers know much about lower league football even with Sharons claims of being a Turf Moor regular.
Did I remember right that initially FV and Mark Warburton were linked? Presumably they were going to let him have full autonomy of the club. Instead they have given that to a man who had one non league season under his belt.
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Post by chip on Dec 14, 2021 10:04:02 GMT
Are the players really that bad or have they had enough. As much as it pains me to mention this but look at the Scum up the road couldn’t win for toffee they get rid of Ole and now they are unbeaten. I know there’s a big difference between them and us but surly the principal is the same the players have lost their manager 🤷♂️ It’s hard on Ian I know but surly it’s about results and the club on the whole and not just one manager I’m just saying. Onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Dec 14, 2021 10:38:57 GMT
Are the players really that bad or have they had enough. As much as it pains me to mention this but look at the Scum up the road couldn’t win for toffee they get rid of Ole and now they are unbeaten. I know there’s a big difference between them and us but surly the principal is the same the players have lost their manager 🤷♂️ It’s hard on Ian I know but surly it’s about results and the club on the whole and not just one manager I’m just saying. Onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM Yeah, all those big players came out and said how good Ole was to work with and next game played with a bee in thier bonnet. Like Frank at Chelsea too, did ok but bring in a real winner and same side are champions of europe and back in the title race. I dont know if its a complete down tools or subconscious but at the early part of the season 0-1 at MK Dons, Wimbeldon, Ipswich, Oxford and Charlton and ended up 3-3, 3-3, 5-2, 2-1, 4-1(our scores first) I'm sure Evatt will say its nonsense that giving Sarce away had an effect on it. I think it did. He was captain for a reason. Imagine doing any job where that happens. I.e your boss sacking a pal who was well thought of and tell me you'd run through walls for that guy? No chance! Bite your tongue, head down and wait for that boss to get his marching orders. Which is what I think has happened OR they have lots all confidence and ok boos and abuse is no help but its Evatts job to make those players feel they are capable.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 14, 2021 11:12:41 GMT
Or maybe they can’t afford to put everything into games because they know that if they get injured, there’s absolutely nobody to come in for them, the cupboards that bare? I don’t know any more than the next man but I think there is just a total lack of confidence within the squad and with Sarce gone, I don’t see a “leader” or two in the dressing room to rally the troops. Maybe Sarce tried that and got shot down by Evatt and nobody else is strong enough to do it? Somethings missing and on top of that, if players consider they may be chopped in January with Evatt planning new signings, they may not be 100% committed. Of the team now, I’d say Doyle, Dixon, Bakajoko, Fonz, Johnson and Aimson could go without being missed. I’d maybe also add Kachunga, Tutte and Amaechi to that list on recent evidence but with some on contracts, there’s no way IE can offload them. Also, if we’re still limited to 22 senior players in our squad, there’s only room for a couple coming in without departures. Evatt’s in a difficult position but despite his regular silly statements, I think we must stick with him. It’s easy to pick out winners who change managers but Doncaster have and it’s not doing them much good so far. Evatt’s going nowhere as he still has Sharon’s backing and most of our fans I believe. Let’s stick with him and see how he does in both January and more importantly in the summer when with contracts ending we can have a proper reset.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 14, 2021 11:24:58 GMT
Just a bit of a ramble this is, rather than my usual grumble about Ian Evatt
Forest Green Rovers Stockport County M K Dons Wrexham Fleetwood Town Notts County Harrogate Town Halifax Town Barrow Grimsby Town Cheltenham Torquay United Salford City Aldershot Town Crawley Town Southend United Burton Albion Chester City Morecambe Bury FC Sutton United Chesterfield Darlington Hereford United Scarborough
Strange how the football landscape has changed
All of the above clubs on the left would have been chuffed just to even get a mention in the preliminary rounds of the once famous FA Cup back in the 80’s and 90’s and now look at them
Contrast that to the fortunes of the following well supported clubs that were once a staple of Division One/Prem Lge
Ipswich Town (FA Cup/UEFA Cup) Coventry City (FA Cup winners) Sheffield Wednesday (FA Cup/League Cup Sunderland (FA Cuo) Nottingham Forest (FA Cup/European Cup twice/League Cup) Birmingham City Derby County Stoke City Middlesbrough West Brom You can add us to the above categories
And then you have the Premier League big wigs (he said sarcastically)
Brentford Burnley Brighton Norwich
And the recently departed Premier League big wigs Fulham AFC Bournemouth (ffs)
And not forgetting when Notts County we’re in Div 1 just before the PL started back in 91, then there was Oldham and Wimbledon of course
When football was fun back then and not the gravy train it is today
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Post by OohMac on Dec 17, 2021 21:18:00 GMT
Not sure any of our backers know much about lower league football even with Sharons claims of being a Turf Moor regular. Did I remember right that initially FV and Mark Warburton were linked? Presumably they were going to let him have full autonomy of the club. Instead they have given that to a man who had one non league season under his belt. Just listened to the podcast and didnt realise that Sharon was asked directly what her thoughts were on the season. Was a bit taken back with her answer "If you dont mind i dont want to talk about football" really abrupt albeit after a 20mile walk but surely a pre prepared "its a tough period that we will come through and have a much better 2020" For her perception that shes Ian Evatts No1 fan maybe misleading.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 20, 2021 21:07:56 GMT
deary me. fantastic guy, fantastic guy,?? but doesn't explain why. you almost get more explanations of the " why" from a Covid press conference...the type when they can't even tell you what the new symptoms are..in case they get embarassed by how mild they sound. you've got to bring in a new team ?? really why. just get a decent manager who will work with what he has..Coyle largely did that early on, as did Lennon . both knew they'd have to wheel and deal...Coyle selling Cahill, and Lennon selling Chungy etc. yes they might get 1 or 2 signings per window like any other manager, but it shouldn't need a full scale clear out. ready steady cook management..these are your ingredients...get the most out of them. MANAGE !!. if you don't like the squad you inherit, don't take the job. we gave Ian the time, and we got promoted. ?? ha !. and no extra signings at all. just contradicted your last point. he disowned the previous bunch, and did his own rebuild with players from 2 Divs above. wow (lee, john dapo, maddison, & others like ben jackson, elbouzedi, lukas jensen, mj )..what a talent. !?! she might be way better than Ken Anderson, in stability terms, but lets not forget even Ken got us promoted from Lge 1 in his first full season. we were barely out of the top 3 all season. no massive spending going on. if anyone has the time or inclination, would be interesting to see a full comparison of that squad with Evatt's self-proclaimed "best team in the lge" of this season. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016%E2%80%9317_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._season#Squadthe basic tfrs in & out info and squad stats are in the link above for that 16/17 season.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 21, 2021 17:05:07 GMT
I know you don’t rate IE rtf but he is in credit at the moment for getting us promoted and at least trying to do it playing football. We don’t have pots of money to throw at it and we are reliant on IE building gradually and since he only has two windows per season, he has to get it right within that. Hopefully he’ll improve us in January but I think the major work will be done in the summer when contracts are up and he has more to go at. More and better players will also be available then as we know compared to January. I’d love promotion this year but realistically can’t see us improving enough so I’m content to just consolidate this season, build and go again next year. Personally, though I’m not happy with what we’re seeing at the moment, I can understand some of the players not putting in 100% if they think they’re going to be out in a month or so, or certainly in July. When we get some of the injured back, plus a few new faces, I’m sure the second half of the season will be much better for us but like Sharon, I’m well behind IE to push us onwards and upwards. We have to give him time and I can’t think of anyone I’d rather have that we could get.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 21, 2021 17:25:29 GMT
I dont think Evatt has the basic coaching levels to do this job thats probably come at least 5 years too early for him
BUT
What would Sharon get from slagging him off. Makes sense to keep blowing smoke up his you know what. Best thing for everyone is that Evatt can turn it around. Until she identifies a new manager she wants and wants to come keep your counsel.
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