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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 7, 2021 16:10:03 GMT
Surely to heaven, have we not got any up and coming kids that are desperate to taste first team action, that can also be more energetic than having to rely on the tired and tested Alex Baptiste
All those calling for GTš¤š¤š¤ Mmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!
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Post by chip on Nov 7, 2021 17:04:59 GMT
2-2 full time that was piss poor yes we have got out of jail and earned it replay against the mighty non league Stockport give me a break Are we going a bit soft and very easy to play against š¤·āāļøStay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 7, 2021 18:07:27 GMT
Just listened to IE again in his post match discussion, considering that in the second half we were well on top but just didnāt move the ball quickly enough to create the chances. I didnāt actually see the game but I did listen to it and it seemed pretty even Steven to me. I realise Evatt has to be positive but I just wonder if heās beginning to ignore what everyone else can see? I wholly accept that we donāt move the ball forward quickly enough but thatās not just in this match. Weāve been slow to do that in most matches allowing the opposition too much time to get defenders back so when we do try to put the ball in weāre completely outnumbered. Yet again we caused absolutely zero chances from corners and set pieces. All the things that are wrong are wrong every week and weāre doing nothing about correcting them. I donāt consider the system wrong but we either adapt it to the players weāve got or increase the speed we get the ball forward, as we did superbly for Doyleās goal. Sadly, at the end of the day weāre pretty toothless and until Evatt can do something about it in January, I think weāre in for a hard couple of months and a relegation fight.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2021 18:20:09 GMT
I fear we are. I never see any aggression with this team. Like a poundshop Arsenal in the later Wenger days. All nice passes but soft centre.
The Rochdale win, the Gillingham "fight back" did nothing to convince me that this awful run is over and better times are ahead.
I have lost all faith in Evatt, in this style and something needs to change. What that is I think is debatable.
If you feel its the players then FV need to once again back Evatt and bring in tbe 6 or so players from Premiership/championship to compete. Even Ken Anderson figured how that was done.
Or you say actually theres Dixon, Santos, Johnson, John, Dapo, MJ, Lee and Sheehan are all capable at this level. Jones too and Sarce and Doyle still should have done better. Theres probably Brockbank, Gordon, Delf and Baptiste who arent enough but the rest are capable but are being badly coached.
Could a new manager get more from this lot? Believe so question is can Ian Evatt get more out of this team.
I'd give him 6 more games and ask to A.) Atone for this with a win at Stockport and B.) Get 10 or so points from the nexy 6. Less than that and unfortunately its the end of this project which is not ideal as it was a long term plan and expensive.
All down to one man now Evatt.
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Post by davidm on Nov 7, 2021 18:53:38 GMT
Potential banana skin today. I must admit, I am more worried about this match than all the league games we have played so far. I think itās the ignominy of losing to a non-league which I donāt believe has ever happened to us, yet! Well I was right to be worried. What a shambolic performance and for the manager to come out afterwards and say that we controlled the whole game and just 2 mistakes cost us is ridiculous. The 2nd half was terrible ā just walking football. It is hard to think of anybody actually running ā just slow motion football. I was praying for the final whistle, desperately hoping that we wouldnāt be beaten by a non-league team. We set off OKish ā passing reasonably well but much too slow and ponderous. Remember back to the Wigan game and their 1st goal when our passing about in defence cost us ā well we did it again! This time Thomason passed short to Santos and their guy just intercepted the ball ran on and scored. Yet another cock up defensively. We equalised with a lovely move. Afolayan broke out of defence, put a lovely through ball for Isgrove to run onto and Isgrove played a lovely ball in for Doyle to score. A rare occasion over the last couple of months when passes are played forward and fast and the resulting centre goes to the strikerās feet. Within a few minutes, we were ahead. Afolayanās shot was blocked by the keeper and Kachunga scored from the rebound. His shot was straight at the keeper but went through his legs. At that stage we were on top and looked likely to score again but we didnāt. WE ALSO HAVE A SHOCKINGLY BAD DEFENCE! In the 1st minute of injury time, we just stood off and Stockport passed and moved through us like a knife through butter. What a rotten defence we have! Second half was nothing really. We pressed, Doyle missed a chance, we went slow motion in our play. I was hoping for the whistle to stop us losing. The whole game was summed up in the 94th minute ā the final minute of the game ā when we passed from Santos to Baptiste to Santos to Williams etc etc and never moved over the half way line. Yet another poor poor performance. There is just no urgency in this team, no pace and we play like we expect to bore the opposition to death. Marks:- Dixon - 5 Apart from passing to ball to either Santos or Baptiste he did not do much. One good save in the 2nd half when he got to the ball before an onrushing forward. Isgrove - 5 First half was OK but 2nd, his passing just went to pot John - 5 Replaced at half time ā looked injured Santos - 5 Strolling football. He is the captain, he should be organising the defence but it is a shambles. Baptiste - 4 Too many miskicks, poor passes Williams - 4 Not at all dominant Lee - 5 Passed OK but couldnāt dominate the opposition Thomason - 5 Terrible mistake for their 1st goal. Some decent passing later Afolayan - 5 Wonderful through pass to start the move for the 1st goal but overall quite disappointing Doyle - 5 Took his goal well. He will score if given the service but also missed a decent chance 2nd half Kachunga - 4 Scored at last but his shot went straight through the goalies legs. Other than that, awful again Gordon - 5 Reasonable Delfouneso - 4 A chance to get involved but it didnāt come off Bakayoko - 4 Hardly any involvement
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Post by davidm on Nov 7, 2021 19:09:57 GMT
And what were Greater Manchester Police doing after the match?
They blocked off the normal routes for us to get away from the ground. We were forced to walk all the way across Middlebrook Retail Park and then double back to get to where we were parked. And others had to walk the opposite route to get back to their cars on Middlebrook.
When we played away at Wigan earlier this season, GMP locked us in for 15 minutes so all the home fans could get away. Why not do that today? But No - just show who is boss and mess everyone around
Ridiculous
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 7, 2021 19:12:09 GMT
Shocked you gave Baptiste a 4 davidm Just seeing him āwatchingā as they broke through to score so easily and it was all his fault, that, for me should deduct 4 off his score
Baptiste 0
Not blaming Dixon for that goal as he made a few decent saves and ākept us in itā
Evatt- clueless to change
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Post by chip on Nov 7, 2021 20:18:52 GMT
I've just seen the goals very sloppy defending again when do we as fan's start to worry about what is happening on the pitch or do we just keep plodding along and hope that thing's get better. If you say anything against the team or the manager we are told to go and support another team as your not welcome as a fan. When can we say something eh. I'm getting sick of all this just look where we have come from crap, the team is not good enough to play like Barcelona or City we are a first division team of player's that are all free player's or out of contract player's so he needs to come up with something else to get us result's the sooner that happens the better onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 8, 2021 20:27:30 GMT
obviously Thomason copped for a lot of blame for the 1st goal conceded, but, as the BBC commentator on the tv highlights ( not these) rightly said, Quigley still had a bit to do...that bit being beat Santos & the keeper. Santos doesn't read it right. he attempts to nick it..commits his weight forward, then like an oil tanker, is then never gonna turn quick enough. he should have accepted he couldn't nick it...he was still goal-side, and still able to make like difficult for Quigley. possibly some small element of blame to Dixon too. in the first instance, Santos could have perhaps passed across to Baptiste who was in more space GT. or could have realised 3 Stockport players were pressing high on both MJW, himself & GT, so sweep a longer pass out wide, something he actually does quite well.
as for the 2nd conceded. yet again RS is right at the heart of it. presume Baptiste was playing as left c/b, so not sure why he ended up on right. Santos gets back into a decent position, then just does nothing.
Stockport are a decent side though. far better than the nominal position in National Lge. Quigley and Rooney as said on this forum before had a greater part in Barrow getting promoted than a certain IE , in my honest opinion. I know Quigley as i've said before from back in his days at TNS in the Welsh Prem.
there's Paddy Madden too..dropped down 2 divisions. was at Fleetwood 20/21. 2 previous seasons to that was hitting 15 lge goals in lge 1- each season.
overall, looking ahead to the fixture list for November & December, I think we'll pick up a lot. OohMac put it exactly as I see it. against 80%-90% of last years Lge 2 opponents and 30% of Lge 1, Evatt will get away with it. Crewe had the better of us several times last season ,but I think they must have done their usual thing and flogged a few & right now, they are pretty hopeless. just 1 win in 16.
Wycombe away will be a tester. Doncaster another gift. after that home to Cheltenham. very winnable. tougher away maybe.
then into December, it's your Fleetwood, Accrington, Morecambe, Burton. all very winnable.
I use 3 or 4 things to work out which clubs are big players at this level
1. from big town or city. 2. size of ground / impressive stadium 3. any football history of playing at 1st tier ( prem) or 2nd tier 4. any big financial backers
generally that works.
look at Crewe, Shrewsbury. Morecambe, Gillingham. all have none of the above, and all fall into that 30% category of very beatable teams.
the real threats in this league. Wigan - recent time in top 2 Div's. modern ground. 30th most populous borough in the uk,
Sunderland. city...recent PL. massive new'ish ground etc. money too i'd imagine. sheff wed. big ground. city club. recent experience in top 2 divs.
etc etc certain ones will rise above above for a while, like an Accrington but if it's not supported by sheer volume of supporters or money, either the good manager or player is poached & it all heads South again.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 8, 2021 22:15:07 GMT
Rotherham away in the FA Cup 2nd round.
Could hardly have picked a worse tie for us. Seems a big effort to get to 3rd round again now with two away ties.
Another home tie for you whites, well thats very presumptuous.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 8, 2021 22:50:41 GMT
Yes OM, a brilliant āhomeā draw for me and assuming we do the business against County, which I think we will, Iāve got no doubts we can see Millers off as well. Theyāre a decent side but certainly nothing special and if we hadnāt gifted them two soft goals and missed our chances recently, weād have got something from the game. Hopefully weāll also have a fit squad by that time and things will look up considerably. š
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Post by OohMac on Nov 9, 2021 6:55:27 GMT
if we hadnāt gifted them two soft goals and missed our chances š Thats the groundhog day scenario though and Ian Evatt has only recently acknowledged it never mind fixed it.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 9, 2021 8:36:56 GMT
True OM, so letās get past Stockport before we even contemplate Rotherham. I actually feel weāve more chance at Edgeley Park than we did at home because all the pressure will now be on County and their fans, plus it should be us with the noisy following this time, which has to bolster the players. Actually though, Iām more concerned about Crewe on Friday because lose that one and confidence really will take a hit. Iām also hoping for good news on Jones tomorrow because heās been a big miss in the team. Weāve had some horrible injury problems this season so we must be due a bit of good luck somewhere down the line?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 9, 2021 11:25:30 GMT
True OM, so letās get past Stockport before we even contemplate Rotherham. I actually feel weāve more chance at Edgeley Park than we did at home because all the pressure will now be on County and their fans, plus it should be us with the noisy following this time, which has to bolster the players. Actually though, Iām more concerned about Crewe on Friday because lose that one and confidence really will take a hit. Iām also hoping for good news on Jones tomorrow because heās been a big miss in the team. Weāve had some horrible injury problems this season so we must be due a bit of good luck somewhere down the line? Didnāt know Crewe was a Friday KO Is it on SKY W63 Oh We always get beat by Crewe so Iām not expecting anything with this one WOW Evatt really has dented my positivity
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 9, 2021 15:29:52 GMT
True OM, so letās get past Stockport before we even contemplate Rotherham. I actually feel weāve more chance at Edgeley Park than we did at home because all the pressure will now be on County and their fans, plus it should be us with the noisy following this time, which has to bolster the players. Actually though, Iām more concerned about Crewe on Friday because lose that one and confidence really will take a hit. Iām also hoping for good news on Jones tomorrow because heās been a big miss in the team. Weāve had some horrible injury problems this season so we must be due a bit of good luck somewhere down the line? Didnāt know Crewe was a Friday KO Is it on SKY W63 Oh We always get beat by Crewe so Iām not expecting anything with this one WOW Evatt really has dented my positivity Not on Sky rftr, moved to accommodate Gethinās testimonial on Sunday but it is on iFollow. Iām not normally a believer in these āwe donāt normally beat so and soā but the way weāre going, I have no confidence weāll beat anyone. Letās just hope we do and things turn round for us? š
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