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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 16, 2021 15:12:34 GMT
And just as we did In the first half
We give an early goal yet again
Game over
So depressing I’m quickly losing patience and enthusiasm with you Ian
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 16, 2021 15:30:05 GMT
Rather than allowing Ian Evatt to enter the January transfer window , it would be better if SB and FV to go spend and get Richie Wellens in as boss, far better than Evatt Evatt will not cut it at this level, not in the next 5 years of trying
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2021 16:01:13 GMT
Got exactly what we deserved , a goood pasting ,its about IE learned you cannot play with 9 plus a bloke that belives hes the best in the world <soory Santos but today you had a stinker the only good thing is you wernt alone .
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Post by Pedro on Oct 16, 2021 16:05:03 GMT
Oh dear oh dear. Deja vu all over again. A good wake-up call for the team and the Manager who all looked clueless as to how to change things and get back in the game. Well played Wigan - class above us today.
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Post by chip on Oct 16, 2021 16:08:15 GMT
You are ****ing kidding me 4-0 4 ****ing 0 we’re we really that bad I’m so sorry for swearing but bloody hell I’m carrying on home now so pissed off 😡
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 16, 2021 16:11:32 GMT
£10 grand a week striker and James McLean (I didn’t want him here but he made the difference today)
Wigan had a plan and Bolton didn’t Evatt should keep his gob shut next time
Remember when we beat Ipswich 5-2 and we all thought we were summat special? I think they are just a win behind us now
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Post by andyl on Oct 16, 2021 16:28:16 GMT
If we had any lingering faith after recent games that our manager has the experience and tactical intelligence to add value at this levei it was cruelly shattered today.
Bakayoko playing as a winger I think dominated early high balls. Why pray is he not in the middle? Yes his positional unfamiliarity led to a horrible header which led to their opener albeit after further chances to clear. He later had two far post set ups the second which set up Sarcevic's blistering volley. Too much for Evatt who a goal later removed our only competitive attacking element and replaced him with another non wide player Kachunga.
Brockbank had a nightmare. It didn't help that he kept receiving ponderous hospital passes.but McLean was too good. Brockbank is no longer a boy but he is , slow physically, out of his depth and his confidence was shot by the half hour. Should have been hooked then. To leave him on and the team unchanged at half time amounted to dereliction of duty.
If all bwfc fans were asked to name their six best players I'd guess Lee Dapo Sheehan Thomason would feature. But Evatt only ever uses two. I hope he noticed Thomassons 15 minute cameo. We saw three excellent penetrative passes and one forward into a channel in the penalty area. I think it's vital to build a system around player strengths not exclude them. Game after game we are toothless upfront save for Dapo and the odd Sarcevic effort yet Doyle continues. Why not fill the midfield with our best players ,, let Bakayoko lead the line.
Defensively we are struggling. I thought Johnston and Gordon until the last few minutes did ok but Santos was embarrassingly poor out of his depth v Wykes Keane and especially McLean. Dixon is generally secure but what happened to goal 3 at the nearpost- deflection or error?
We have heard a lot of referee criticism , complaints re Dapo Daley and pathetic spite. That at the Reebok it comes from the wrong dugout and presumably cannot be heard is ridiculous. These are all distractions.
Yes we can beat Shrewsbury if outplayed and we make chances but against Rotherham and Wigan we have been outclassed, outmuscled and outfought. Our slow interpassing just brought down the Wigan packs who ravening pounced aggressively on easy prey.
Sarcevic and Doyle really struggle. Sometimes Sarcevic baffles. He wins a strong challenge advances on goal then passes square and behind Dapo. Our one chance evaporates. It's so frustrating.
Dixon 6 Brockbank 0 Santos 2 Johnston 6 Gordon 6 Williams 5 Sheehan 5 Dapo 6 Bakayoko 5 Sarcevic 4 Doyle 2 Isgrove 4 Kachunga 4 Thomason 6
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Post by OohMac on Oct 16, 2021 16:39:13 GMT
You can just imagine the teamtalk before the game. They are behind us in the table, they have played more games and they're 9th but he thinks they are the best team in the league. This coming from 3 out of 4 losses. Lets show him what we think.
Also when we played them in the cup Evatt ended up petty argumebts with Mclean. God sake man grow up.
We dont have two good players per position as we saw today Brockbank is a liability. Gordon also not good enough despite his improvement and Doyle is not good enough so nevermind 2 per position. If Baka is a winger then we have no striker.
Politic grabbed another goal today.
Listened to the radio and they had a Watford fan on(pre their loss) and they questioned sacking a manager who had them out of relegation. I thought it was odd and thought other Watford fans may also have been worried but he said "its a shame but it didnt work, it didnt feel right, we are a possession based team but play on the counter attack".
Oh, yeah. Get that.
Same issues that we had all season(and last) but a louder voice asking them. Embarassing today and if Evatt keeps giving out the carrots and not the stick its no wonder we look like donkeys.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 16, 2021 16:44:23 GMT
I haven't posted on this side of the forum for a while but felt the need after that load of dross seved up today. Team selection and tactics were appaling. As you say Andy, Evatt has no tactical nous. He will no doubt be ecstatic that we had 62% possession, but as has been said b4, possession doesn't win games, goals do, and we hardly ever look like scoring. We have failed to score in 6 out of 13 games, the joint worst record in Div 1. Wigan have scored in every game they have played.
We are ponderous in the extreme, Evatt has drilled this notion of possession, possession, possession ad nauseum, and it looks like we don't practise anything else. Dapo was dangerous, he is no longer as dangerous because other teams are doing their homework, they know we are going to try and get the ball out to him and they mark him out of the game, and if Dapo is nullified, so are we. We have no Plan B.
Who is Evatt going to blame this result on?
I also noticed that the fans took a lot of notice of Sharon Brittan's plea for good behaviour, once again. Why does she bother. The knuckle draggers that she is appealing to, probably can't read so didn't see it.
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Post by andyl on Oct 16, 2021 16:53:25 GMT
And separately from the football I hope we were all appalled by the disgraceful behaviour of elements of both sets of fans.
I'd still like to go to away matches but am so shocked by what I see- it's evocative of the 70s
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Post by whiteofthesouth on Oct 16, 2021 17:09:35 GMT
Well, no one likes losing, especially in a derby and by such a margin, but I feel we’re over-reacting. Wigan are undoubtedly a decent team (I know it sticks in the throat to say that) and have spent quite a bit of money to get there. I think they’ll be very much towards the top of the league at the end of the season. Yes, we certainly didn’t play well today and having three first-choice players out didn’t help at all as I’m pretty sure Lee would have been in for Sheehan. However, unlike some of the other games where we might have come close, but failed to score - for example, Sunderland in particular, but also Burton - we never looked competitive. Despite this I still consider us likely to finish top-half and knocking on the door of the play-offs.
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Post by davidm on Oct 16, 2021 17:44:28 GMT
So we are the best team in the league are we? That was abysmal from the 4th minute when Bakayoko screwed up to the 90th when the referee ridiculously gave 2 minutes of additional time. Our obsession with passing the ball around the back 5 failed miserably today. Wigan just pressed up and forced us into error after error. This was added to by a shambolic defensively display where the 2 centre backs were outmuscled throughout the game and both got booked. The midfield was dead – just no energy, no movement and the attack was non-existent. Wigan did what they did in the cup tie – kicked Afolayan who spent his whole game complaining. It worked though as he was totally ineffective. Similar to Rotherham, Wigan just outfought us. Our manager again behaved like a prat and got booked and when we are struggling, he has no Plan B. 1st goal was appalling by Bakayoko who, in our style of endlessly passing back, headed the ball passed Santos to an unmarked Wigan man. We could still have done better with our tackling but it summed up the whole day. 2nd goal – a goal kick, Johnston yet again beaten in the air. 3 defenders all tried to clear but miskicked 3rd I think Dixon pushed it in and 4th just wide open Marks:- Dixon - 3 Wasn’t the 3rd goal an own goal? He appeared to knock it in for me. Brockbank - 1 Just dreadful. No confidence. Every pass, bar the back passes to Santos, where off target. Gordon - 4 Not great but steady Johnston - 2 Dreadful. Lost nearly every ball in the air and some rank bad passing Santos - 2 Outmuscled endlessly. Booked and out of Plymouth game. Williams - 3 No control of the ball at all. He was caught in possession so often due to bad ball control Sarcevic - 3 Hit the bar with a decent attack at 0-1 but contributed little Sheehan - 2 Absolutely lost throughout the game Afolayan - 3 Fouled a lot but also contributed nothing. Seemed to give up totally halfway through 2nd half Bakayoko - 2 His combination with Brockbank down the right in the 1st half was dreadful. Won some headers but his passing was woeful Doyle - 3 No involvement Isgrove - 3 Did much better than Bakayoko when he came on but couldn’t affect the game Kachunga - 1 Two 10 yard back passes and what else? Thomason - 4 At least tried to pass the ball forward
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Post by OohMac on Oct 16, 2021 17:49:37 GMT
Well you may think this is an over reaction but Eoin Doyle is this seasons Billy Crellin.
Keep hearing how he will come good, what a talent he is. And week in, week out hes in. Heads dropping further and further down and hes still in next week.
The sooner we take Doyle out the better. Guy aint doing it, there were real doubts last season.
You may argue and say Crellin was a novice, Doyle is experienced. Cant argue with that players have a shelf life. Most footballers careers end around 33-36 and they dont balloon to 19 stone and call it a day, they still like Doyle, stay fit but lose that something. Competative edge, confidence, instinct, yard of pace, whatever it is they lose it and for me Doyle has lost it.
Was watxhing SoccerBox with Neville and he said he was having a nightmare game, half time was asked if he wanted to come off, said no, played 5 mins and got subbed off and said he knew he wouldnt play another game ever again(and didnt) point being footballers, sportsman probably train the same and in thier head are still the same player but when it goes, its gone.
Obviously Doyle has 18m left on his contract. We aint selling him. Hes not getting farmed out on loan on his wage. So its a pickle but for me hes sub to come on and chase down balls and Papa John games only.
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Post by davidm on Oct 16, 2021 18:25:18 GMT
Doyle did not concede 4 goals today Doyle didn't let us concede the 1st goal in 10 games out of 13 this season so always having the opposition packing their defence He hasn't played well Yes but today was not his fault Perhaps not leaving him isolated from the rest of the team might help
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 16, 2021 18:27:29 GMT
The world and his entourage could see that Isgrove should have started ahead of Brockbank, but for Evatt not to sub him at half time just shows arrogance and lack of managerial nous. Not that that change would have made much of a difference to the result but it’s little changes like that which could have been more of a benefit than seeing Brockbank out of his depth.
Doyle will never come off the bench for a league game. Evatt is too stubborn to do that, but as a former defender, the one position you’d expect us to be better in. We are completely crap
We have to start games whereby the opposition know that we are a threat. Start with 3 in attack!!! It cannot be any worse than the dross being served with Doyle as the one man, or should that be non man up top Once Evatt made his embarrassing early season claim about being the best side in this league, this Wigan game was lost for me
Well said Ian Ian should not be fireproof, even at this early stage as if we carry on like this, we could be heading towards a relegation scrap Anyone for Richie Wellens?? He’d come back up north in a heart beat and he’d be better money spent than a mew striker in January
COYWM ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️
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