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EURO 2020
Jul 11, 2021 18:30:25 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 11, 2021 18:30:25 GMT
I’m right with you there W63
We WILL WIN We are ENGLAND 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 Although I did have a dream of 0-0 after 120 mins and we do en 5-4 on pens
Just a dreeeeeeeaammmm🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
COYE If the Wanderers can beat Longridge Town FC then England can easily do the diving cheating Eye’ties
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EURO 2020
Jul 11, 2021 21:04:19 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 11, 2021 21:04:19 GMT
We are STILL having this
COYE 🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆🏴🏆
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EURO 2020
Jul 11, 2021 22:00:02 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 11, 2021 22:00:02 GMT
Stones Grealish Shaw Sterling
Any one could have taken that last pen but they give it to a 17 year old kid
Never mind boys
Let’s go win the World Cup ⚽️🏆🏴⚽️🏆🏴⚽️🏆🏴⚽️🏆🏴⚽️🏆🏴⚽️🏆🏴⚽️🏆🏴
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 11, 2021 22:29:59 GMT
Sorry to say Sir Gareth lost us this final, by firstly picking the wrong eleven, and secondly making no substitutions once the Italians took over until it was more than too late, and failing to see the pressing in the midfield was ineffective. I just didn't see Mount doing anything helpful in that eleven. Overall the performance reminded me of the Wanderers last season until the January signings. The camp-followers with all their hype will be disappointed, but for me it was just a more interesting night than most Sunday nights on the BBC. I thought the pundits were smarmily self-satisfied at half= time rather than suggesting ways of improving the potentially losing performance. Certainly our Gary didn't measure up to his £1M plus salary.
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EURO 2020
Jul 12, 2021 7:39:29 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 12, 2021 7:39:29 GMT
I tried my very very best to be as positive as I possibly could, hence my bombardment if posts, but it was not to be sadly, we lost the lottery
It was the Jorginho show and if he’d have gone off when he got injured, it might have changed Mancini’s game plan completely
The 2 ‘veterans’ at the back Chiellini and Bonnuci, GS should have had a game plan to make them work much much harder than they did because for me, they’ve probably never had an easier game once they had Sterling and Kane sussed.
GS substitutions might have been better placed had he mirrored Mancini’s as I think RM made his subs at the right time
With the quality of talent GS had, a more adventurous manager (Venables) might have made the Eye’ties know they were in a game, because they looked a lot more healthier, comfortable and dangerous going forward than we did and that is down to GS
It’s also like GS was shit scared of doing the ‘unthinkable’ by subbing Kane or Sterling in the ET period as they looked well past their course
Interesting to hear JoMo on TalkSport state that the Italians bench (not the subs) was full of quality (Lombardi Vialli etc) so why then is our coaching set up not full of Shearer’s Sheringham’s Pearce’s helping and advising GS
I still thought we were going to finally do it, but I now believe we’ll never ever win a trophy in my lifetime.
I do think we should have the very beat squad at the World Cuo next year, I just think we’ll have the wrong manager
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 12, 2021 7:46:07 GMT
I have to agree with that Kenglo, I also blame Gareth for our defeat with that team. Every game up to now he’s played two of our wide players but last night left out a winger playing Trippier instead. OK it was Trippiers ball that led to our goal but after that, what did he do. We struggled in the later part of the first half and it was becoming obvious changes needed to be made. The second half was appalling, we dropped back so deep, even when we won the ball we couldn’t get out and just resorted to lumping the ball anywhere, just giving it back to the Italians. What on earth did he say to them during the break? When he did change, far too late for me to change the game, his subs were bizarre. The Italians deserved to win but how surprised they must have felt when we played so poorly and unlike our previous games. With a goal start we should have cruised it but completely failed to press home our advantage. I still think Gareth has done well but this will be another learning curve in his management and hopefully strengthen us next year in the World Cup. As for penalties! The two Harry’s showed how to do it, no theatricals, just pick a spot and put your boot through it.
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Post by boris on Jul 12, 2021 11:43:32 GMT
Terribly disappointing and the missed penalties were dire but the pressure must have been immense for those who volunteered. I can agree that some of the tactics were a little baffling, however, let's take some positives from this. We qualified for the semi's in the world cup and got to the finals in the Euro's. That's progress in itself and something to savour for the future.
All-in-all, It's been a thoroughly entertaining competition for all England fans and one that kept us on the edge of our seats...right to the end.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 12, 2021 11:54:00 GMT
That’s true boris and also we actually never lost a game, so that also has to be a positive and bodes well for next years World Cup when these players will have another years experience. Time to turn attention back to Wanderers now for me.
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EURO 2020
Jul 12, 2021 12:55:24 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 12, 2021 12:55:24 GMT
That’s true boris and also we actually never lost a game, so that also has to be a positive and bodes well for next years World Cup when these players will have another years experience. Time to turn attention back to Wanderers now for me. Yep Great shout W63 The Euro’s are done with for now let’s see what Ian can achieve with the Mighty Wanderers COME ON YOU WHITES ⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆⚽️🏆 Automatic promotion 🤔🤔hope so Play Offs🤔🤔 hope so How the absolute hell can Wigan Pathetic pay out 10 grand a week on Charlie Wyke? I can’t imagine any other side in L1 that comes anywhere close to them salaries and for a club that nearly went bump last season, that’s a ridiculous statement of intent and surely against FFP !! Anyway, I couldn’t give a shit about the pie munchers (who’s real sport is egg chucking)
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Post by MAT on Jul 12, 2021 15:48:43 GMT
Just before you all get back to BWFC business, would you tolerate another contribution from an “occasional”?
REASONS FOR GOOD CHEER 1. We were second best team in the tournament, living up to world ranking. Just a shame we came up against the best team in the final, but fortunate to miss them till then 2..Great interest and entertainment across the nation. 3. A number of our lads stepped up to the mark and moved into ‘world class’ category. 4. The three youngsters who took penalties 3,4, and 5 proved spirit and bottle, let’s not think too harshly of them.
REASONS FOR DESPAIR
Only one really. The mindless yobs who can’t seem to be eliminated from the sport. Racist chants, and constant booing of opposition.
FINALLY, JUST A WORD ON THE PENALTIES
It’s clearly a job for volunteers. I understand the squad have been together 4 weeks or so, and done penalty training every day. Management will surely have been taking notes about who was good at it, and conversing with players about who was up for it if push came to shove. I am sure it was on that basis that the late substitutions were made and the penalty takers list completed. What can’t be legislated for, and simulated on the training pitch, is the stress factor, the long walk, the pressure of your mates back on the half way line. So I admire the three youngsters for volunteering, and I wish them well if they get involved similarly in future, and hope the experience doesnt hang over them for decades like it did Southgate.
it’s all a lottery, innit?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 12, 2021 16:36:46 GMT
Hi MAT, good to see you over here on the “dark” side! I fully agree with all of that and I’m sure unlike in the past, the penalty missers won’t be harangued as those transgressors in the past we’re. It seems like the usual scum bags on social media have been at them and it really is time these companies accepted the need to reveal who they are and bring them to the law. I’m actually not sure that age is the predominant factor in choosing who takes penalties though. Many young players show less nerves than older ones and whilst you would think experience comes into it, other factors like mental strength may be more relevant. I know it’s irrelevant now but Rashfords miss was for me the critical point because if he’d scored we would have been 3-1 ahead and as well as adding pressure to the Italian players, it would have lessened the pressure on ours. In fairness, I don’t think it was nerves in Rashfords miss as much as carelessness, he just dragged it a fraction too much. Still, it’s done now but we’ll done to everyone involved for a fantastic tournament. You inferred Italy were the best team but actually they themselves were lucky to beat the Spanish and I still believe that despite losing, we were actually the best team but had an off day at the worst possible time, so it’s on to the WC now so let’s see how we fare there shall we?
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Post by MAT on Jul 12, 2021 16:59:08 GMT
Hi Whites, it’s a bit like comparing Rocky Marciano with Anthony Joshua, don’t you think? A bit tricky without being able to see them matched up in the same ring. On 11.7.2021, at Wembley, England and Italy were in the same ring. England best team for 25 mimutes, even Steven 25 minutes, Italy best 70 minutes. Something like that. And maybe England had a bad night because a slightly better side dictated that. But England did well to finish level @120 minutes, Good defending. And after that it’s a toss-up.
A bit hard on Rashford to allocate a bit more of the blame than the other missers. Wouldnt want him to end up with a complex.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 12, 2021 17:32:20 GMT
Agree MAT, pointless comparing, it was what it was. I think you’ve misunderstood on Marcus Rashford, I wasn’t criticising, I think he just dragged it a fraction too much and if he had scored, we could have had a completely different result. I can’t even imagine the pressure on these guys with the hopes of a nation on them and could never criticise them missing, they didn’t intend to. Fair play to them for being brave enough to do it in the first place with the chance of suffering if they miss. They deserve all our credit and I just hope they can ignore the dimwits who insult them.
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EURO 2020
Jul 12, 2021 17:48:52 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Jul 12, 2021 17:48:52 GMT
I remember Carragher missing vs portugal and saying "least it wasnt Liverpool". Thought he should have done somr community service for treason but I understand if we only had this final or the Bolton Crawley match i wouldnt swap and thats just to reach tier 3.
But putting the England cap back on there are loads of positives and this side will all be there for Qatar and most for 2024. So its very bright. And we beat a big team in the knock outs, we didnt concede in the group stage, we came back from a goal down in a high pressure match. When you think back to the Iceland fiasco or losing to Uruguay to be knocked out with nothing to play for in the 3rd game. Its staggering.
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Post by andyl on Jul 12, 2021 19:43:04 GMT
All in all we had a good roller coaster ride. I'm not sure England could have beaten Spain, Belgium or Portugal had the draw not despatched them and cleared our path. But that was equally true in 1966 when we were spared Hungary with the superb Bene who overcame Brazil 3-1 in a bruising battle that saw off Pele and left Meszoly swathed in bandages or U(SSR) with Lev Yashin and Chislenko who in turn saw off Hungary before Germany scraped by them. Few remember or refer to those games now. Would we have beaten North Korea who despatched Italy and led Portugal. We will never know.
I do like the look of younger members of the squad but for my taste we were ever too negative. It's a debate that raged here when parky reigned. This England team had at times echoes of BWFC's early season pedestrian tempo under IE last season but also of wingers on the wrong feet or radical jumps from wingless to wing dependent strategies.
A question I asked myself and offer up here would be how many England players would have got into a team of the tournament. I can see arguments for Stones and McGrath even Walker and Kane but am not sure any of those would oust the two Italian warriors or indeed Lewandowski/Ronaldo. Maybe Kane on his knockout performances although he did fade yesterday
I think Phillips and Rice were our most consistent performers, especially Phillips. I think he's the one standout who makes my team of the tournament . I'd pair him with Busquets and perhaps Verrati? Shaw would have a case but did he backpedal too much. I guess some would argue that Sterling had an outstanding tournament and he did excel in certain games. But a bit flat in the final maybe and lot of competition. I think Chiesa would get a nod
As for Qatar ordinarily the climate even in early Spring would rule us out but I wonder if this will be at all offset that we'll be playing in mid season relatively fresh rather than at the end. To look forward to if we qualify.
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