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EURO 2020
Jun 12, 2021 19:18:45 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 12, 2021 19:18:45 GMT
Just thought I’d set up a general Euro2020 thread for all matters football
And unbelievably we have the first bit of news
Christian Eriksen collapses on the pitch. Straight away, my eyes welled up thinking of Fabrice Muamba Amazing that the players have come back into the field to see this game out. Unbelievable credit must go to the players Hojberg has a chance to equalise from the spot and cheer Eriksen up but he places thee most softest ever back pass to the keeper-shocking penalty, worst I’ve ever seen
On another note (off topic from the Euro’s) The Wanderer documentary Unless I’m watching the wrong one, the first episode was only 16 and a half minutes long. It was a decent watch and SB comes across brilliantly. We certainly have a credible chairwoman at the helm, I just think it could have been a lot more dramatic than it was. We’ve been through the mill over these past few years but the docu didn’t really delve into the problems the club has had. It could have been a fabulous doc, had it been longer and shown more than just Marc Illles, Jacko and Andy Darkside Ah well, onto the next episode
And back now to the Euro’s Belgium have just scored Lukaku (where’s he gonna end up?) Wales came back to earn a decent point ⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️🏴⚽️ Come On You ENGLAND 🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
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EURO 2020
Jun 18, 2021 22:36:46 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 18, 2021 22:36:46 GMT
Let’s face it, Southgate only got the job because Big Sam was bent
Never before has an England manager had so much unbelievable talent at his disposal, only to have them produce the most tepid performance against a bang average Scotland side Poor, very poor and the team reflected Southgates negativity
Shocking Can see us getting a bore draw against the Czech Republic and just scraping through to the next stage Yawn
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Post by davidm on Jun 19, 2021 7:59:21 GMT
A draw against the Czechs would be the best result for England.
If we win the group, we played the runners-up from Group F which will be one of France, Germany or Portugal. Can you see us beating any one of those?
If we draw and finish 2nd in the group, we play the runners-up in Group E (Spain, Sweden, Poland or Slovakia)
So which is the easier match?
Come on the draw!!!
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EURO 2020
Jun 19, 2021 12:15:12 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 19, 2021 12:15:12 GMT
I only disagree in the fact that we’ve got equally, if not better players than the majority of the other Euro teams and we should be going in to win every game and not drawing a blank. I just feel that Southgate doesn’t inspire the team. He opens his mouth and it’s like listening to the head master. Venables, Keegan and Bobby Robson knew what the crowd wanted and knew how to entertain, it’s all about systems and using the best players, best suited to certain games and also knowing when certain systems are not working and when the opposition know that they’ve sussed you out. Sterling Kane and Mount up to a point, looked lost, at least Foden had something about him in the night, so what does GS do? He takes him off rather than take Sterling off. The fact he left Kane on for so long was a mystery, he was playing so deep into our half I thought he was going in goal. He could have been subbed after 20 minutes and I wouldn’t have missed him. Sorry davidm, to be the best you have to beat the best. I don’t want Sweden in the next round, I want us to beat all the best teams, France, Germany, Portugal if we are to prove we are the best team in Europe
COYE🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
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Post by kenglowhite on Jun 19, 2021 13:16:26 GMT
Southgate's selections are amazingly bad. He's trying to create an Eden Hazard out of Mount, who isn't quite that good, and why is he playing Foden, whose main weapon is his left foot, at outside right. Maybe he could feature at inside left in place of Mount, but between the pair of them there is a total lack of creativity, and no wonder Kane had to go looking for the ball. Even when he brought Grealish on he played him on the left when he needed to play more centrally. And what has he done with Rashford? After playing him outside left in many games, he doesn't know whether he is a striker or a winger.James for Walker...Why? And Shaw for Chilwell....similarly? Southgate is as dull aa dishwater and he has managed to get his team playing that way.
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EURO 2020
Jun 19, 2021 15:26:26 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Jun 19, 2021 15:26:26 GMT
Ive watched a lot of games but found the format has killed it. You know 3 points is all you need so take a game like Portugal vs Germany today. With France in the group this should be a winner takes all slugfest. Instead it will be "point all round suits all" with Germany just needing to beat Hungary to qualify and then France B team vs Portugal reserves.
Credit to refs and VAR. This is how its done. Little controversy. If the EPL chiefs dont call a meeting and change the VAR set up immediately it would be a travesty.
I was/am as disappointed as anyone with that performance but remember our heroes of Italia 90 had a poor start vs Ireland. Struggled to beat Belgium and Cameroon. Our Euro 96 legends drew(at home) to Switzerland, Spain were much better and we were garbage for 50m against the scots. So whole tournament boils down to a great Holland win and iconic penalty save/wonder goal vs the old enemy.
Our 2018 team had the easiest of groups. Tunisia and Panama making the tough game a game both wanted to lose. The sweden game was professional and then they gave it away to Colombia and bottled it against a "leggy" Croatia.
Our team is full of potential but right now world class players i'd say is one. Harry Kane and he looks like hes playing with a broken leg.
For Qatar 2022 I think it will be Southgate as everyone worth thier weight will be in a job midseason. But would love to see what a Tuchel, Klopp, Pep or even Jose could do with this lot.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 19, 2021 20:30:22 GMT
Like others, I’m unsure about the merits of Southgate, last night was just awful, pedestrian and lacking any kind of invention or creativity, much as you’d imagine from Southgate. It’s a shame because we possibly have the best collection of players we’ve had for years. Last night annoyed me as much as disappointed because Southgate never even tried to change an obviously struggling team and when he did make a change, he took off the one man who was at least trying to be creative and replaced him with another in Grealish but just like for like. Kane is a goal scorer yet was playing so deep, he just couldn’t get into the game. The fullbacks were woeful, especially our RB who turned backwards every time the ball was passed to him, stunting any potential forward move immediately. In fact it was reminiscent of our early season play where we just passed the ball endlessly around the back without any attempt to get forward. Maybe IE could have a word with Southgate and give him a few tips? Personally I don’t care who we play next, assuming we do, because as with any cup competition, you have to beat the best eventually if you are to win. Scotland are the 3rd lowest ranked team at the Euro’s so if we can’t beat them it doesn’t bode well for the rest but let’s just hope it was a bad day at the office and the team click back into gear for our next game.
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Post by one2many on Jun 20, 2021 14:07:38 GMT
I imagine that the next game against the Czech's will be two teams playing for a draw. The Czech's would go thru as winners of the group and face a strong team from the group of death and England get one of Spain, Sweden, Slovakia or Poland. A similar situation to the last world cup when Belgium were the opponents, neither team wanted to win it as that would take them down a harder route to the final.
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EURO 2020
Jun 21, 2021 8:53:03 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Jun 21, 2021 8:53:03 GMT
You cant duck and dive teams and expect to be Champions. We have some sort of home advantage and need the confidence of beating a major team in a tournament. When did that last happen?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 21, 2021 18:33:48 GMT
I agree OM, if England seriously believe they can win this tournament then they must go for a win tomorrow and deal with whoever they get next. Besides that, playing for draws is always risky because just one slip and you’re gone. I don’t think there’s any way the England camp will be thinking anything other than a win and nor should they.
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Post by boris on Jun 22, 2021 11:24:35 GMT
I agree OM, if England seriously believe they can win this tournament then they must go for a win tomorrow and deal with whoever they get next. Besides that, playing for draws is always risky because just one slip and you’re gone. I don’t think there’s any way the England camp will be thinking anything other than a win and nor should they. Seeing as they have now qualified without kicking a ball, I would have preferred they had to win to go through, they should be full of confidence and hopefully go all out for a win?
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EURO 2020
Jun 22, 2021 15:22:52 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 22, 2021 15:22:52 GMT
I agree OM, if England seriously believe they can win this tournament then they must go for a win tomorrow and deal with whoever they get next. Besides that, playing for draws is always risky because just one slip and you’re gone. I don’t think there’s any way the England camp will be thinking anything other than a win and nor should they. Seeing as they have now qualified without kicking a ball, I would have preferred they had to win to go through, they should be full of confidence and hopefully go all out for a win? Doubt it boris Not with Headmaster Mr Southgate playing it safe. Think someone should tell him we need to win to get into the next stage, that way he might put out a winning formula. On another note, surely if 60,000 fans are allowed in Wembley at the Semi’s and Final stage, then the ReeMac should be packed to the rafters come season kick off (he said hopingly🤔) Just want to see Ian Evatt’s face when the first Bolton goal goes in at the ReeMac. Hope we can pack in a 15,000 crowd for his first home game, that would be a real shot In the arm for the team COYWM ⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️ COYE🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
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EURO 2020
Jun 22, 2021 17:28:55 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Jun 22, 2021 17:28:55 GMT
Bit annoyed that they fobbed EFL off with about 300 tickets a club for the playoff finals but offered to have Champions League on same day and had much more for FA Cup and cant lift lockdown but UEFA threaten them and its all "sure 65,000. Lets have a test event"
"Test event" is the term that means do as we say, not as we do. Joe Public cant go on holiday but the rich and famous will take part in a summer holiday "test event".
Back to football. Like Evatt - Southgate had his ways, his favourites and he wont change. We've seen theres no horses for courses as we played the same way against Croatia as we did the Scots and by the sounds of it will see out the rest of the campaign that way. Sort of the sentiment that history is written by the victor. We all now see IE as a shrewd, tactical mastermind. Earlier in the season(or even much later) there were still critics that Evatt couldnt kill off a game that he was too defensive and couldnt adapt to better deal with different opposition.
So for now Southgate looks dull and duller but in a few weeks it could all change and we'll be talking about how he kept continuity in that Scotland and Czech game to keep the machine turning.
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EURO 2020
Jun 23, 2021 9:09:32 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jun 23, 2021 9:09:32 GMT
We’ve qualified for the next stage of a major tournament We topped the group We beat a decent Czech side We haven’t conceded a goal
Yet why do i feel so flat with that performance last night? First half was a complete contrast to the whole of the Scotland game and the second half, we reverted to type ((Safe Southgate Stuff)
A settled side will and should go a long way in this competition and save for the shenanigans of Mount and Chilwell, GS could have stayed with the same team that played Croatia off the park for the first 20 mins of that game, but I have to say, his substitutions, timings of them and inconsistencies in his decisions leave me baffled. It’s almost like he’s still in friendly mode to see who he needs before selecting his final squad. I think the only sub he possibly got right was bringing Henderson on for Rice (Rice would have fitted like a glove in Evatt’s earlier team selections with his negativity and sideways, backwards passing)
Wales have proved that the free scoring Italians can be kept to a minimum and they did it with 10 men for a good chunk of the game. Germany can be beaten, as proven by France!! France can be got at as proven by Hungary Portugal showed how poor they are against Germany Denmark, Spain and Sweden are average at best Holland and Belgium must be feared, but my heart says that Germany, again, seem to have a team of, not so much household names, albeit there’s some very well known faces in there, but they have combative battlers that always seem to rise to the surface and for that reason, these are the ones to be feared yet again.
So all that said, I’d still want to face them in the next round to show the world that we can beat them. Whenever we beat Germany (5-0) which is rare, feels like we’ve won the tournament in my eyes, beat them and you’ve beaten the best. If we meet them in the next round and beat them, we WILL win this tournament but I’m predicting we meet France as I think Germany will beat Hungary to top the group and France Portugal will end as a draw
COYE🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴
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Post by kenglowhite on Jun 23, 2021 15:57:42 GMT
I don't think we'll ever again be talking in glowing terms about Southgate, Oohm. He has slipped so far from the early expectations of the last world cup, and I find myself wondering which players are missing from that lot, and why have so many of the new lot failed to excite. In general terms there is little excitement and instead of a so called golden generation there seem to be just so many ordinary journeymen, maybe reflecting the current Southgate personality, playing not only a straight bat on selection and style, but also other things like bending the knee. I still can't believe he tried to play the left-sided Foden at right wing ( corrected somewhat by the inclusion of Saka, who, incidentally, is usually a left-sided player). Equally I am very puzzled that the media in general have failed to pick up on my Foden point and failed to ask why Manu are bidding in the high 70million for Sancho, who isn't getting a look in. It was, however, good to see one Harry functioning well, and Henderson, a player whom I have hitherto never rated, returning and turning the clock back to Russia 2018. But what has happened to that team that promised so much ? Equally, why are so many of the teams in this tourney functioning in the same boring way, so as to make cricket seem that much more worth watching ?
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