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Post by whitesince63 on May 15, 2021 16:20:15 GMT
Watching the cup final this afternoon it was noticeable how many players failed to sing the national anthem, in fact only a couple did but of course, why would they since all but a few are foreign? It’s probably little wonder then how far down the pecking order the competition has now become. It was noticeable though that to a man, every player religiously took the knee. Bearing both these things in mind it took me no time at all to turn it off!!
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 11:12:45 GMT
Watching the cup final this afternoon it was noticeable how many players failed to sing the national anthem, in fact only a couple did but of course, why would they since all but a few are foreign? It’s probably little wonder then how far down the pecking order the competition has now become. It was noticeable though that to a man, every player religiously took the knee. Bearing both these things in mind it took me no time at all to turn it off!! Did'nt miss owt a bore from start to finish only two good moments , one the goal and two the var none goal , plus the presentation was a total mess , the best lesson in how to destroy the worlds best cup comp. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2021 14:40:21 GMT
For most teams Staying in the premier league is all that matters except for the top six then it’s champions league so the FA Cup and league cup doesn’t matter it’s an inconvenience sad really onwards and upwards stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 7:57:21 GMT
The F.A. Cup lost it's relevance when Man Utd didn't enter the competition and they went to Brazil to play in the Club Championship, whatever it is. It was a crime against football, similar to those wanting the super league and once again Man Utd are involved.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 17, 2021 9:25:09 GMT
I don’t think you’ll ever change the attitude of big clubs Wots until something is done with the PL. Even European clubs are concerned by the obnoxious amount of money sloshing around distorting both wages and transfer fees throughout the game. It’s perfectly obvious to anybody with half a brain that owners of the top English clubs are after only money, not the interests of the game as a whole and clearly the same applies in Spain and Italy. In a way, I’m sorry the recent break away didn’t happen, I think football in this country has been irretrievably damaged by the money men and as long as they remain in the league set up, they will continue to distort things for the rest. You would hope that the government and football authorities would reign these people in but that’s hardly likely with the cash take in taxes that are produced. With the value these clubs now have, it’s inconceivable that a fan ownership model can be created so how we restore some sort of balance is difficult to see. I think from the reaction, even of people on here, not even realising the FA Cup Final was taking place, shows how little interest there is in it. Probably the best known and respected tournament in the world has been decimated by the money men and I can’t see how it can ever be recovered.
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Post by beenheresince53 on May 17, 2021 12:02:31 GMT
As a boy in the early 60s the FA Cup was something special to wake up to the programme was screened on both BBC and ITV we chose BBC due to no interruption’s with tv adverts the road to Wembley seem to be on all day and then the moment arrived both teams lead on to the sacred turf by their managers side by side and lined up for the national anthem players with the chests filled with pride onto the handshakes and introductions let the battle begin I couldn’t wait for half time when we went into the back street and try to replicate the first half a call from Dad the second half was about to start and at the final whistle the teams claimed the mighty Wembley steps to receive their medals but only one team lifted the cup and the Wembley roar began with a lap of honour. Bring back happy boyhood memories for you.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 12:02:51 GMT
To be honest I stop watching the FA Cup as soon as we get knocked out which is normally after the first round  I think that the FA should do what the EFL does with that Fred Baker Cup or what ever it's called were you have to name I think it's 6 player's from your league squad from the Saturday before that played. We all know teams don't take the FA Cup & League Cup seriously until they get to the last 8 look at City made 8 changes for a semi final how sad is that. I loved our Cup runs in the 90's but want's we got into the Prem even we started to field weaken team's so I don't know what we can do Stay safe one and all COYWM |
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 17, 2021 14:25:49 GMT
It’s been a reet old trip down memory Lane reading this thread
Sign of the times that our once famous end of season trophy (it’s not even end of season any more, they just throw it out there in the middle of May somewhere) is so decimated into almost obscurity
The glory of visiting the Twin Towers, seeing the Queens Royal band playing before kick-off and at half time marching back into the pitch and then the famous memories unfold, watching Charlie George on his back, Dave Beasant with the trophy on his head, Keith Houchen for Coventry, Jimmy Case, Alan (that perm) Sunderland, Bobby Stokes and Lawrie McMennemy, Ricky Villa’s mesmerising goal, Super John McGinlay and Andy Walker putting Liverpool in their place on their own turf in an earlier round (had to get that one in) Norman Whiteside at 20, Kevin Moran being the first to be sent off in a final, Trevor Brookings Wet Spam v the much fancied Arsenal, and who can forget our very own Sir Nat, ‘in with a lightning goal’.
Compare that to the ‘classics’ of more recent times which included the mega heavyweights!!!!!!
Southampton
Cardiff City
Stoke
Hull City
Crystal Palace
Watford
Millwall
Portsmouth
Wigan
West Ham Millennium Stadium
Middlesbrough
Without tripping myself up, yes, that’s what the FA Cup is all about, the magic of the underdog beating the heavyweight
And now we have no fans and VAR, mish mash presentations, no step climbing, it’s all so different and it’s also on every platform available, yep, you can now watch it on the toilet in some outer Mongolian country on your phone as and when you like it
The FA Cup has lost it and yes I too blame Man Urinals, the greedy Americans who just want money and nothing else
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Post by whitesince63 on May 17, 2021 15:01:22 GMT
I think we can all agree that once the worlds most famous, traditional and respected competition the FA Cup has now disappeared down the pan, just like everything else bar the PL title and the Champions League. Even the World and European Cup competitions are diminished against the riches of the mega club competitions. I suspect fans of every club other than the “biggies” would share our views and probably a good few of their fans also but I’m afraid football has been completely lost in the drive for money. Can it be saved? I doubt it, certainly not in my lifetime, so we’d best get used to what we’ve got because it ain’t gonna change any time soon.
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Post by davidm on May 17, 2021 15:44:14 GMT
Any chance of this rescuing us? From BBC Sport website:- Several former footballers have launched a parliamentary petition calling for an independent regulator in English football.
Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, Rio Ferdinand and Gary Lineker are among 23 ex-players and journalists to undersign an open letter to fans.
They say April's European Super League attempted breakaway demonstrates the need to reform the game's governance.
The petition was signed by more than 20,000 people in its first hour.
For it to be considered for a parliamentary debate, 100,000 signatures are required.
"As football fans, we were appalled by the attempt to set up a European Super League," reads the letter, which has also been signed by Jamie Redknapp and Micah Richards.
"It was a direct threat to the integrity of the game; destroying the concept of sporting merit and open competition.
"Supporters came together with one voice to oppose the cynical power-grab by a group of wealthy owners. The furious protests were heard and the breakaway fell apart.
"Now we must make sure this never happens again. Without swift and direct intervention, the return of a European Super League will be a constant threat."
In addition to an independent regulator, the petition also calls for government legislation which would stop Premier League clubs from attempting to abandon the football pyramid.
Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Manchester City and Tottenham all withdrew from the European Super League within 48 hours of its launch after fans protested.
The move was criticised by the UK government, which has brought forward a fan-led review into English football that will consider ownership, finance and supporter involvement in the game.
"We welcome the fan-led Government review of the game and hope it leads to lasting change on an array of important concerns; including co-ordinated strategies to deal with racism, supporters' representation within clubs, LGBTQ issues, ticket costs and the distribution of income," the letter added.
"All of those aims can be realised if we take decisive action now."
Sign the petition everyone at:- petition.parliament.uk/petitions/584632 |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 16:55:12 GMT
I've just signed the petition fingers crossed it might just help all clubs from top to bottom and I mean bottom. Do you know what really gets me everyone keeps talking about money then the next day we see on Sky sports news that another player wants £200.000 a week while smaller clubs could go out of business for less than that it pisses me off that players ask for that much money. Anyway stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by beenheresince53 on May 17, 2021 18:04:05 GMT
I would like to sign that petition Hucknall were can I find it please?
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Post by whitesince63 on May 17, 2021 18:06:23 GMT
Good post David, I’ve signed the petition now. Chip, it pisses me off too but as long as money is running the game, I’m afraid players will just keep asking for more and more. Wages are already insane and obscene but you can’t really blame the players if the clubs are prepared to pay such amounts. It’s fine for government to make noises about controlling the big clubs but when it comes right down to it, they rake off loads from the PL in taxes so they’re hardly likely to kill the golden goose. I’m sure everybody accepts and celebrates the success of the PL but unfortunately the controls over it have been completely missing leading the 6 big clubs to feel that they can basically do as they like. The government must now act and if they really mean what they say, act on this petition and bring these clubs back in line.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 18:54:20 GMT
I would like to sign that petition Hucknall were can I find it please? The link is on David M post just above yours. |
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Post by beenheresince53 on May 17, 2021 20:35:14 GMT
Thanks guys I’ve signed the petition.
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I think that the FA should do what the EFL does with that Fred Baker Cup or what ever it's called were you have to name I think it's 6 player's from your league squad from the Saturday before that played. We all know teams don't take the FA Cup & League Cup seriously until they get to the last 8 look at City made 8 changes for a semi final how sad is that. I loved our Cup runs in the 90's but want's we got into the Prem even we started to field weaken team's so I don't know what we can do Stay safe one and all COYWM 
