|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 13:34:55 GMT
k.o 7pm tues 2/3 into March we go. funny how the change of months have seen changes in the teams form. we had awful Sept. 5 games all comps. 5 defeats. and no league goals scored . October. some improvement. but still Orient 4-0 defeat and 2-1 home defeat to Oldham Nov. good but generally against weak sides..the "S" sides. Dec . pretty poor. start with Port vale defeat, then loss to walsall. then also 3-0 loss to Tranmere at home. Jan. mixed. some good .some bad. Feb. good. although yet again..generally versus bottom half sides. Oldham are a very open side. 2nd topscorers in the Div. 49 goals. 10 more than us despite 1 game less. only Exeter have more. their downside is no-one has conceded more. shipped 54. their 2 main threats are Conor Mcaleny who was good in the return fixture. 14 lge goals. the other is Bahamboula. 8 assists. and scored a couple of worldies in recent games : we've scored 39 lge goals now. : Doyle 12 ( 2 pens) Delf 5 Sarce 5 Kioso 3 declan john 2 gnahoua 2 Miller (shaun) 2 Crawford 1 Jones 1 Isgrove 1 Delaney 1 Thomason 1 o.g 3 ( vs salford) & 1 v orient- h, and mansfield -a total = 39 28 assists : gnahoua 5 Crawford 4 Sarce 3 doyle 3 Delf 3 Baptiste 2. Jones 2 isgrove 2 all these 4 have 1 each. , Kioso. , Greenidge, Santos, dapo total= 28 i'll go for a 2-1 win. should be an interesting watch. they've certainly got the weapons to hurt us with. both teams are good at coming back from behind. we generally score most games. against their weak defence, you would hope for 2 for us. we should have the quality all over the field to make the difference, plus options off the bench. www.soccerstats.com/homeaway.asp?league=england4one stat i did notice is they are poor at home. far more comfy away. 23rd in home table. yet 5th in the away table. 10 defeats in 15 games at home. only 4 lost of 15 away. those weird quirks !! recent form backs this up. last home game. lost 1-0 to Barrow. last away game. won 3-1 away at Carlisle . just have to be a bit wary, with those 2 attackers they can beat anyone on their day. they did beat Salford 2-1 at Boundary park , on 30th January.
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 16:05:58 GMT
www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19126814.bolton-wanderers-boss-ian-evatt-baffled-ifollow-negativity-barrow-victory/?c=nt3a5OMG he's lost the plot again. I was very suspicious why Eyre had done a 180 degree u-turn. i've long suspected why, and i think we now know. the recent Pravda style views of Iles also follow suit in this. will anyone else but "Happy Clappers" be allowed back in the stadium. we've not always seen eye to eye on this forum, but on sat'day the views were about as unified as i've seen them for a long time. are we just having this view because Gary Henshaw has it? doubt it. Pedro summed it up very well on the Barrow thread. you might understand it better if the manager came out HIMSELF and said we need to move the ball faster, pass and move better. be constructive himself. but oh no. brush it all under the carpet ,and keep going on about dominating YET AGAIN. the bwfc analysis guy on twitter said similar things to many. he's generally is fairly pro-Evatt. he made the same constructive points about urgency and better passing forward etc. thanks for the warning Ian anyway that you're losing the plot, i'll definitely think more seriously about cashing out my top 7 bet now.
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 16:07:52 GMT
cringe away and listen.
n.b looks like they editted to original link to re-clarify this was about GH not fans, but the wording clearly opens it out to "anyone" .
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 16:22:18 GMT
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 16:33:47 GMT
correct. why is he getting involved. how can Henshaw possibly do an Ifollow ever again after these comments. he's basically bullying him off air. and the next guy will be scared to say anything even semi critical. pure Pravda . John McGinlay has always spoke his mind doing Comm's. fair and balanced . would IE try and destroy him too. when Roy Keane doing his style of punditry, it's tough love, cruel to be kind etc you don't start assuming he wants the opponent to win.
Henshaw's not even been in the same lge as Keane for harsh comments. just don't know what IE is going on about.
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 17:10:00 GMT
Pravda style retractions already in force. trying to isolate it to just Henshaw, when Dearden admitted he'd asked about fans... and Iles trying to make out no question had been asked. deary me ??
they want to manage it as ..it wasn't Evatt having a pop at fans.
I agree with this take on it :
|
|
|
Post by kenglowhite on Mar 1, 2021 18:17:26 GMT
Evatt is quick to draw on the past when it suits the purpose of his objective. And it is unfeeling of him as he does not really know what we have been through. I actually like the inter-round summaries of Gary Henshaw - much better than Steve Eyre. Like many of us in here I feel Gary was as nervous as the rest of us with the two potentially controversial incidents towards the end of the Barrow game, and throughout like many on here he looked for a more speedy approach to rounding the Barrow bus. As I have frequently said on here the little boys who introduce the iFollow coverage are not fit for purpose and live in a cloud-cuckoo land. And is it Bolton FM or BWFC who are responsible for the dreadful distracting crowd sound effects which are so redolent of a children's swimming gala ? As for the Oldham game, I look for the usual stoic defensive performance, faster attacking movement with a 1-2 outcome.
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Mar 1, 2021 18:30:17 GMT
Wow rtf, you really have got it in for IE tonight!! š§ I have to say that I can understand why IE is getting a little edgy about criticism following the win on Saturday. Weāve won five in a row and yes this was probably the most fortunate and least enjoyable game weāve seen. I personally think GH was out of order on Saturday with his immediate comments about offside, leading viewers waiting for a reaction from the ref rather than hitting the roof in celebration. It was difficult to watch, thatās for certain but to take away our moment of glory was wrong and I donāt blame IE for being annoyed with him. As you say, there were pretty unanimous views on here after the game that it was desperate stuff but on reflection, we do have to accept that Barrow came here to defend and did that really well. You pointed out before the game with your stats that actually Barrow donāt lose by more than an odd goal so maybe we should have realised what the game would be like. Iām not trying to say that I wouldnāt have rather seen a bit more aggression from us and to pass and move the ball quicker from the back and I genuinely believe IE would have to but he isnāt going to criticise publicly the players who stuck at his system and eventually delivered the goods. Maybe weāre expecting a bit too much. Weāve shopped in the bargain basement yet somehow come out with arguably the best squad in L2 and thatās entirely down to IE. Iām going to keep faith with him because I believe he does see the things we complain about but prefers to challenge his players with them behind the scenes and not in the press. Just give him a break is all Iām saying and letās hope the players show up for him tomorrow. I think weāll win 2-1 but after another nail biter.
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 19:17:25 GMT
disagree Whites, even in his own justification today..it's ALL ABOUT QUANTITY OF PASSES , not shots. he's obsessed with it. he's said it'll never change and it never will. Henshaw made the very good constructive point about making like for like changes. if you don't like that they are camped in..take off a full back or centre back. tompaynefootball.wordpress.com/2014/09/23/analysis-of-guardiolas-barcelona-part-two-the-3-3-4/Guardiola in the latter part of his Barca days actually played 334 or 343 against teams who came to defend deep. and don't read that as a standard back 3. it's a back 4 minus a proper centre back. 1 c/b and 2 full backs. he figured it was pointless having 2 centre backs against teams who rarely attacked. and very often used a m/f in Mascherano as a centre back...so not even a true centre back. someone who could move the ball quicker. and play a 2nd set of wingers in full back positions..as it was basically attack and defence and you didn't need proper defenders. find solutions. if you language it difficult, don't be surprised if the next teams who are better than Barrow come and do the same trick. you've got to overcome it, not whinge about it. do they really expect promoted Barrow to go for it, against possibly the most talented set of players in the Div. plus i've already disproved the camped in lark. they were no more camped in than we were at Southend. whoscored.com average positions posted on the Barrow thread prove it. facts, not opinions. Southend was blamed on the pitch. was that pitch really worse than Mansfield. ?? you're admitting yourself it was fortunate. that's not what Evatt thinks. total opposite. careful Whites, they'll ban you next !! www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/19126814.bolton-wanderers-boss-ian-evatt-baffled-ifollow-negativity-barrow-victory/"Nothing flukey, nothing lucky, nothing fortunate about it. It was well worked.ā
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 1, 2021 20:20:17 GMT
besides , Whites, let me remind you of your own comments from the weekend : "Iām at the point of turning this crap off, the negativity is just killing me. Why do we never build up any momentum and put the pressure on the opposition? We attack, have a good move, apply pressure then take it off again by passing back. Awful stuff this, Evatt needs to make the changes now, weāre going nowhere." Why do our players just stands bout like statues. The only chance weāve got of breaking these down is pass and move, this bunch itās just pass and stand still. Absolutely awful stuff. "Iām just livid about the walking pace garbage we played, even at 88 minutes were passing side to side at the back, thereās no urgency in the players at all," *** I don't think Evatt would want you on co-Comm's . i think the role might be available. you don't want some Pravda style comm telling you it's great , when it's not do you ? . i certainly don't. just be fair. he's been honest enough in the past when we not been good at set pieces, i just don't buy your theory that he's saving the criticism to the dressing room. it's not naming and shaming individuals. it's just basic stuff. if you aren't prepared to mention..moving it quicker, or slicker , test the keeper more... then you may as well not do any interviews at all. he had no problems hanging Crellin out to dry (man up comments) or Phoenix .
|
|
|
Post by OohMac on Mar 1, 2021 22:01:28 GMT
Evatt has said he wants to be a premier league manager. If he cant take ifollow criticism he's not going to like life if he ever gets his dream. Hammered on TalkSport, Soccer Saturday, Goals on Sunday, MOTD, BT and across all the newspapers.
Anyway tomorrow night. Only real prediction is a very cold night at Baltic Boundary. But next few games particularly away will really indicate our promotion credentials.
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Mar 1, 2021 22:45:07 GMT
besides , Whites, let me remind you of your own comments from the weekend : "Iām at the point of turning this crap off, the negativity is just killing me. Why do we never build up any momentum and put the pressure on the opposition? We attack, have a good move, apply pressure then take it off again by passing back. Awful stuff this, Evatt needs to make the changes now, weāre going nowhere." Why do our players just stands bout like statues. The only chance weāve got of breaking these down is pass and move, this bunch itās just pass and stand still. Absolutely awful stuff. "Iām just livid about the walking pace garbage we played, even at 88 minutes were passing side to side at the back, thereās no urgency in the players at all," *** I don't think Evatt would want you on co-Comm's . i think the role might be available. you don't want some Pravda style comm telling you it's great , when it's not do you ? . i certainly don't. just be fair. he's been honest enough in the past when we not been good at set pieces, i just don't buy your theory that he's saving the criticism to the dressing room. it's not naming and shaming individuals. it's just basic stuff. if you aren't prepared to mention..moving it quicker, or slicker , test the keeper more... then you may as well not do any interviews at all. he had no problems hanging Crellin out to dry (man up comments) or Phoenix . I stand by all of that rtf, Saturday was dreadful stuff, frustrating, annoying and boring and if we played like that all the time the ground would be empty. Had Doyle taken either of the really good chances he earlier had though, we probably wouldnāt be criticising as much. I would like to see the players showing a bit more urgency and to be fair to IE, he has said heād like that too, so itās not fair to say heās not aware of it. Iām sure in training heās working on scoring goals but in my opinion the problem is that we just donāt have good enough players. Doyle is to me a L2 player who I think might struggle even in L1. Isgrove runs about but produces nothing and Delfouneso is just lazy and work shy. Dapo has the āheadless chickenā look about him and Miller has yet to prove his capability. Maddison has not yet shown what heās capable of and Gnahoua seems to struggle over 90 minutes. We just donāt have anyone who you could regularly rely on to deliver. Iām hopeful though that now the middle and back seem to have improved, efforts to improve our scoring will take priority.
|
|
|
Post by realtrottersforever on Mar 2, 2021 8:17:47 GMT
well i was going to leave this issue today and put it to bed.. but one more quickie just on the bit that annoyed me. www.irishmirror.ie/sport/soccer/soccer-news/bolton-ian-evatt-rant-criticism-23587901" I honestly do care how we win. And you ask all the other managers, all the other people in football about how Bolton Wanderers play and they will say weāre a fantastic team which plays football the right way.
"That is how we should be spoken about and itās how we should have been spoken about following the game on Saturday. Thatās a fact[/b]." that's a bit different to your take Whites. he's now even inventing facts. talk about gas-lighting the fans. you know nothing . just listen to me and shut up. tin pot dictator !! that final line in the story also contradicts the idea this was purely aimed at GH. message to them . national papers don't have to crawl for access like locals. "If you want to see that then go and watch someone else because you are not going to see it here, thatās my message to them."
and that is now my last word on this. on to the match...will KL play or be rested. MM is back fit..will he start ?. team news as ever will be interesting. i do wonder how MM is given licence to shoot and be very direct, why others aren't encouraged to do so.
|
|
|
Post by whitesince63 on Mar 2, 2021 10:26:57 GMT
Right rtf, my last word on this too. I loathed Saturdays performance and our lack of forward movement but I see Evatt as being in the middle of a rebuilding process and it will take time to get everything right. He has to talk things up and stick to his principles and Iām sure he wants what we want eventually but I just donāt think he quite has the players yet. He is clearly under a lot of pressure and saw the complaints and criticisms as unfair. Maybe our expectations are too high for now? I reserve the right to say it how I see it, as Iām sure we all do but Iām prepared to accept things not being perfect given the restrictions heās had on potential signings. Iām not remotely bothered what IE says in interviews as long as he delivers on the field and Iād argue that so far he has and leave it at that.
I hope MM starts tonight because eventually heās going to click and when he does Iām sure it will rub off on others going forward too. I think Lee will start tonight because this could be an ideal game for him, less compressed than on Saturday and weāll always have Thomason on the bench if needed. I donāt want to see Isgrove or Fonz start because neither for me contributes enough so hopefully there will be a place for King Arthur from the off. Iām expecting another tight game and we will have to keep a tight watch on their new wonder kid and subdue his shooting opportunities, other than that I donāt think Oldham have much to worry us. Iāll still go for a 1-2 win for us but chewed nails at the end again.
|
|
|
Post by davidm on Mar 2, 2021 15:36:56 GMT
Weāve got through the so-called easier matches with full points and now it is on to a harder batch of games.
Itās difficult to work out Oldham ā awful at home, amazing away and capable of some good fightbacks.
Itās not my greatest ground for visits ā the 1-0 defeat against 10 men in our last promotion season, a 0-0 when we were going for 100 goals and 100 points, and other frustrating performances. I have seen us win just once there I think ā FA Cup when Vaz Te scored.
If we are going to get promoted, we have to go out to win every game ā no being satisfied with a draw. There will be the odd slip but if we win the majority of the remaining games we will go up.
I am hoping that Maddison returns tonight instead of Isgrove but, other than that, it would be the same team for me.
Whites63 is right when he says that we need to attack/score more. For a team which such high possession stats we do struggle to create chances.
I think we may concede tonight as Oldham have a good scoring record but they also have a shocking defensive record so itās a 2-1 win for me.
Letās hope we are celebrating tonight and please no more managerial arguments with the ref/linesman/opponents - in fact no moaning at all please!
|
|