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Post by Pedro on Feb 28, 2021 12:08:04 GMT
Amazing that we look quite good in the highlights . FFS IE! wake up man! Terrible to watch - glad that I only wasted 8 euros! If IE read this forum and acted on the suggestions we would have a chance at the playoffs but after his loss of brain yesterday I am not optimistic
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Post by andyl on Feb 28, 2021 12:16:49 GMT
I have looked at the replays. Can't really see much debate. Definite penalty, opponent gets the ball , Williams kicks him. Very dozy. I think the offside angle is good enough. Miller is ahead. A defender slides level but only after the ball has been touched on.
We were lucky. End of?
All of this said I'd be a hypocrite to criticise style of play given a decade of arguing that I want to see the ball rolled out by defenders and played out, a decade seeing so many punted balls to both SKD and his ghost who played for us for several years.
The goal is a good example of how it should be moved across and back But the problem is the lack of movement. How often do we hear x is looking for Delfouneso---- well good luck with that. How often do we see Doyle running back to his own goal. Our wing backs are pretty willing as are Dapo , Isgrove, Gnahoua and Maddison. They may lack final ball but they are receiving. They are all good at running with the ball as is Lee as are others defenders. But we have no-one holding the ball centrally or running channels and so we get stuck and convert attack in to several passes back to Gilks.. If we just had players upfront equal to this sort of game!
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 28, 2021 15:14:53 GMT
Amazing that we look quite good in the highlights . FFS IE! wake up man! Terrible to watch - glad that I only wasted 8 euros! If IE read this forum and acted on the suggestions we would have a chance at the playoffs but after his loss of brain yesterday I am not optimistic I don’t think IE takes much notice of anyone Pedro. He has his belief in his system and it’s unshakeable. I don’t have a problem with that in principle but when it’s as obvious as it was yesterday that some adjustment was needed, he was lacking for me. Now of course, he would say, “well we won didn’t we?” and of course we did, as we did similarly on Tuesday but if we’re absolutely honest, we had a huge stroke of luck to get both results, not to mention Mansfield. Our promotion hopes could easily have been dead and buried for me. I see other teams play us and when it’s obvious their system isn’t working, they adjust it. Not change it completely, just make a few adjustments to formation or personnel. We changed personnel yesterday but carried on with the same monotonous system. I’m confident now that we have the best squad in L2 but I’m not at all as certain that we have the best manager. I think we’ll definitely make the play offs at least but with a little enterprise I believe we’d make the automatics.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 1, 2021 9:50:59 GMT
I am only glad that we weren’t playing our arch enemy Trashmere on Saturday as they’d have given us a right good hiding and for me, that’s the level we need to be at. They look like they have goals in every attack, they look like they’re hungry for goals and we’d have lost by a few had we played the way we did against lowly Barrow
I’m fairly certain that had Saturdays game been a Prem game, VAR would have given that penalty and ruled ours out for off side
Sometimes though, you have to win ugly games with no pizzazz or flair and I’m sure you have to numb the crowd into complete boredom as per Saturday, but I’m also sure that Greaves Rioch and BSA had their fair share of them type of games themselves, so I guess we might just have to go along with it if it gets us up🤔 He’s not a good manager in any sense of the word though as he’s just purely lucky and no other word for it
Had there been a crowd in the ground, Evatt’s ears would have taken a right bashing from the aggro as it’s not pretty to watch, it’s not even effective, just fortunate
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 1, 2021 17:54:03 GMT
A bit harsh that rftr, I think you’re doing IE down a bit too much. I can’t disagree that Saturday was awful to watch and that Evatt could have perhaps changed things up a bit to get a result but at the end of the day, we did get the result, so although it was poor to watch, it was productive in terms of points as you say. I think Evatt’s working towards building a team and we may need to wait until next season before he can properly improve the striking positions. We will also, hopefully, have DP back, which could make a massive difference. I think it’s also important to acknowledge that he has been working under embargo, salary caps and signings made by our old friend TP. To have recovered to where we are given all that is pretty impressive to me and despite the sometimes monotonous fare on offer, I’d still take it over Parkinson’s rubbish. Is it perfect? No, but it’s going in the right direction so I’ll stick with him for now.
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Post by andyl on Mar 1, 2021 20:13:01 GMT
I would have said that in general Gary Henshaw and other Ifollow commentators are ridiculously Pro Bolton and criticism goes with the job. Had fans been in the ground they would have had their say, I am sure, as observed before.
Like ws63 I'm happy with the general approach to playing the ball out and being patient. I'm also happy to accept that a young manager is learning and developing. Stubbornness can be a virtue too.
That said we have had years of decline, years of worry and ingrained negativity is not going to turn round quickly especially after our most dreadful start to the season.
You get one chance to make a good first impression and for Ian Evatt that boat has well and truly sailed. But as Big Sam found over time things can improve spectacularly.
Evatt will take risks. He seemed not to at first. I didn't get not having a keeper on the bench when it was three out of seven but now when five it is actually paying off for us. That's a better risk. I like triple substitutions- it's a far cry from Parky hooking Buckley at 61 minutes every game. I like versatility.
What I dislike most is the constant carping at linesmen and referees. We were incredibly lucky on Saturday and I haven't seen that observed by Barrow's manager nor any complaint re the two big late decisions. Maybe I've missed it. But I think Evatt could learn from that.
Marc Iles often deserves criticism but I think by and large the manager is best advised to retain a dignified silence from time time?
Oldham will be tricky- their attack impressed me even though they were bottom of the table when they came to us..
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Post by OohMac on Mar 1, 2021 21:45:51 GMT
Its an interesting debate. I'm not sure what caused the outburst but its a bit naive to think you can please all of the people all of the time. Why not just be happy with the form and let other comments go unnoticed.
Weeks ago, I/we asked for Evatt to stop conceding goals from set plays and to sort out the defence. We've on the whole made huge improvements there, so to then say oh we also want attacking football, swash buckling runs and all our luxury players on the field seems a bit like changing the goalpost(surprised Evatt didnt try actually changing the goal post in his marginal gains mission)
So get that he wants to stick with this until its absolute 2nd nature to the players even if it means disappointing a few fans.
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