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Post by davidm on Feb 27, 2021 17:01:18 GMT
Lady Luck is definitely with us these last few games.
How is Miller not offside???
That was a shocking pedestrian performance – walking football.
There was no attempt to change the way we played when it was obvious that Barrow would put 10 men behind the ball – just pass pass pass amongst the back 4.
Anyway 3 points are gratefully received.
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Post by andyl on Feb 27, 2021 17:07:16 GMT
What luck. Penalty not given
Offside not given Would need to see again but I'd say both decisions wrong? I defer to analysis.
A terrible game, no momentum. Just couldn't go forward. Miller had two chances and scored one. Fair enough. He just looks a better all round player than Doyle. Doyle can score but again today nothing.
Gnahouha again made things happen and in the end his willingness was just about enough. If only we played more balls forward.
But as I say we are so.much better counter attacking than in possession playing a deep defence. We almost lost and that led to a win. Thank goodness I'm not travelling for that. So tedious
Gilks 7 ( one shot one save of excellence) Jones 7 Santos 8 Baptiste 8 John 7 Williams 8 Lee 8 Sarcevic 4 Isgrove 5 Afolayan 5 Doyle 2 Delfouneso 0 Gnaouha 6 Miller 7
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 27, 2021 17:10:39 GMT
I just don’t know how I feel about that. I’m just livid about the walking pace garbage we played, even at 88 minutes were passing side to side at the back, there’s no urgency in the players at all, no desire to go and win the game but the most disappointing thing is that there was no attempt from the bench to change shape or emphasis despite it being obvious how Barrow were playing. They did exactly what they were expected to do and what they’ve done successfully all season, yet there was no attempt by Evatt to overcome it. Luck is the only thing we had today and frankly we didn’t at all deserve it. Feel sad for barrow they were resolute organised and still found time to put us under pressure. I don’t know why Maddison wasn’t on the scene today but I hope it’s not because he doesn’t conform and won’t play slowly slowly stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised knowing Evatt!!
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 27, 2021 17:11:45 GMT
I think Thomason was a bad miss today, together with the obsession with playing back to Santos and Baptiste, and the fact that Doyle missed two open goals. We have to find a away round teams that park the bus even if it means some long balls and picking up the rebounds from time to time.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 27, 2021 17:20:48 GMT
Whisper it quietly
We’re in the Play-Off spots at the moment😬😬😬
Arsenal did it for years under George Graham hence the song one nil to the Arsenal.....
I’ll shut up now😬😬
I’d rather be where we are than having to keep playing catch up with games in hand
Points on the board and wins breeding confidence no matter how they arrive
COYWM⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️⚽️
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Post by davidm on Feb 27, 2021 17:28:22 GMT
Despite the last minute winner, that was a poor performance.
It was so pedestrian – hardly anybody broke a sweat – walking football. We just passed it about between the back four and eventually got it forward to the edge of the area where Barrow had 10 men back so just stifled us.
We should have known that Barrow would pack the defence and hope for a breakaway. They actually got 2 breakaways and but for Gilks would have scored in the first half.
Tactically we did not know what to do – there was just no urgency, no pace in the side. Perhaps we needed a little bit of Maverick play from Maddison!
The luck was definitely with us today. How was Miller not flagged offside for the goal – he appeared ahead of Gnahoua?
Barrow deserved little for such a negative attitude but we didn’t deserve 3 points either.
Anyway, nice to have 3 points when we didn’t play well.
On to Oldham
Marks:-
Gilks - 8 Brilliant save in 1st half plus some very good catches
Jones - 6 OK defensively but going forward his final pass was not good enough
John - 6 Not as dynamic as previous matches
Santos - 8 Excellent
Baptiste - 8 Good also
Williams - 6 Unable to control midfield
Lee - 6 Same as Williams – lots of ball but no breaking down Barrow’s defence
Isgrove - 5 Saw a lot of the ball 1st half but final ball in was just poor
Afolayan - 5 Always likely to do something but tended to run into opposition players. Had a little spell in the 2nd half when he appeared on the right and got 2 great crosses in
Sarcevic - 5 I called for him to start but he struggled throughout
Doyle - 5 In the 1st half, his first touch was awful. The ball just continually bounced away from him. Improved in 2nd half
Delfouneso - 6 Not too much to see from him
Miller - 7 Put the chance away excellently
Gnahoua - 6 Some good, some poor from him but involved in the winning goal
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 27, 2021 17:31:45 GMT
Lady Luck is definitely with us these last few games. How is Miller not offside??? That was a shocking pedestrian performance – walking football. There was no attempt to change the way we played when it was obvious that Barrow would put 10 men behind the ball – just pass pass pass amongst the back 4. Anyway 3 points are gratefully received. totally agree. i've said it before and will say again...so so reminiscent of the 12/13 season..late run to verge of play offs under DF. winning ...but dull and undeserved. fully appreciate you can't win 'em all great football but you are allowed to play well now and again. full accept, teams playing well sometimes/often generate their own luck....but if you get so much luck bundled into this run of games, you also have to accept you're a lot in credit, and might have to stomach quite a few more bits of luck that doesn't go your way possibly in a one-off scenario like play offs. i'd rather play well for 2 or 3 games, and ride my luck in one. than ride it in about 4 of the last 5 etc. that 12/13 season run started against Hull pretty much . 3-0 up within 8 minutes. game over. quite a lot of early goals back then. quite a lot of set piece goals then. no probs , you'll take it, but you know you'll be lambs to the slaughter if you went up to the Prem back then with only that. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012%E2%80%9313_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._season#Mayit's all very well thinking it doesn't matter. but it does ..when you play the good sides..you lose. we played Leicester back in April '13. we lost 3-2. and Leicester slipped into 7th spot ahead of us eventually. Evatt will no doubt claim this late late goal was because we tired them out passing it around. but they weren't getting lured out. we were just passing it about among ourselves, rarely moving anyone. in the end, it was like walking football. and Henshaw rightly said...take a full back off, and throw on another attacker to create 2 on 1's...overload them. yet again poor movement as WS63 points out. I was pointing at the screen all the time to spaces where we could have made forward progress..just like the bwfc analysis guy on twitter was saying midweek (posts on prev games thread ) . Gnahoua showed a few flashes when he came on. surely he needs to start soon. it's all very well saying he does better off the bench. but what does the starting guy do ? and how do we know they wouldn't do stuff off the bench if you never pick them for the bench . my big top 7 bet is look healthier by the week..but if we keep playing like this i might be tempted to cash out early. we're also being helped out by the faltering of others. Carlisle losing again ! . they've had masses of games in hand. they probably only needed a draw and win to go top. they've still got 4 games in hand on us . Bradford are the other form team coming with a late run...the clash with them will be much more of a test. they've won 6 of their last 7 including 2 wins against top 7 opponents in that run. we've also won 6 of our last 7 games..but only top 7 opponent we played was Morecambe,and we drew it. |
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 27, 2021 20:13:24 GMT
Anyone else sick of the swimming bath sound effects and the crazy Bolton FM forecast poll at the start and half-time on iFollow? And were Derek Clarke and Gary Henshaw right to indicate a possible penalty for Barrow just before they declared our winning goal offside ? Looking forward to RTF's replays of those incidents. The only thing I can say in favour of the constant interplay with our centre backs is it shows the strength of our defending and confirms the weakness of our attacking.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 27, 2021 21:45:13 GMT
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 27, 2021 22:04:41 GMT
Anyone else sick of the swimming bath sound effects and the crazy Bolton FM forecast poll at the start and half-time on iFollow? And were Derek Clarke and Gary Henshaw right to indicate a possible penalty for Barrow just before they declared our winning goal offside ? Looking forward to RTF's replays of those incidents. The only thing I can say in favour of the constant interplay with our centre backs is it shows the strength of our defending and confirms the weakness of our attacking. those Bolton FM lot are something else aren't they. i'd excuse the Comm's team themselves..generally do a decent job, although as i've said before Eyre has flipped from talking 90% sense to 80% nonsense lately. the studio guys..jees... you could add the 3 of them's IQ up and you still wouldn't hit double figures  . deary me. the fawning interviews with Evatt. cringe !. stupid predictions... laughing at the 4-0 one today. and the way they act like sheep...someone says a mad 5-0 prediction , and next guy says..well that's made me feel more optimistic....WHY ? just wishful thinking. if i say i'd gonna jump to the moon. it has absolutely no influence on my ability to jump to the moon. i don't think anyone's ever told these plonkers that yet. and whats' with all the ads and music for ifollow that don't co-incide with the Bolton fm output. they come back from ads and they just finish talking. or just start a topic then randomly go to ads/music. surely they could co-ordinate that by now. always like Jimmy Wagg as a presenter on Radio Manc/ GMR. intelligent informed bloke. not a BWFC fan but always seems to know more than most anyway. level headed..not over positive or negative. just balanced and fair. and good humour too. |
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 27, 2021 22:48:22 GMT
strange yet again, how the "old guard" are doing the job for us today...Miller goal..assist..Gnahoua. heart of defence 2 centre backs and Keeper ..all summer signings. not January ones. again, not saying Lee, MJ and John aren't doing well. they are. not so much Dapo today. one bit of credit i will give to IE. and it's a rare one..so take a screenshot of it  ... done well so integrate Miller back in & sub Doyle. could have easily stuck with the big name, and left out Miller. when he got injured yet again, many thought we might not see Miller again in a BWFC shirt....new signings favoured etc |
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Post by OohMac on Feb 27, 2021 22:49:22 GMT
I wouldnt have broken up the Williams Thomasson partnership because A.) It worked well and B.) Its Barrow. We dont need two DMs(for large parts of the game) so we could have given one of the DMs license to attack and Thomasson for me is the most creative.
Thats not a slight on Keiran Lee at all hes straight in the team at Oldham and Salford but for home games Lee and Williams is a bit much. And I wouldnt drop Williams because of how well he did.
At the end of the season no one will reflect on lucky wins,scrappy wins so tonight as we sit in play offs just going to enjoy the win. But i'm a fan. Ian Evatt isnt, i hope, he knows that was a very fortunate win. Another. And that unless the performances improve we wont keep the playoff spot nevermind push further.
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Post by davidm on Feb 28, 2021 8:58:27 GMT
Just one extra comment after watching the highlights.
How slow/casual was Williams in that penalty incident in the last minute?
He had the ball at his feet and then paused for half a second instead of clearing and it could easily have cost us.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 28, 2021 10:53:21 GMT
well, here's the vid, for those like Kenglo wanting it. but little useful analysis to do. can't get decent angle to judge if our goal was offside. and they didn't even show the Barrow pen incident. saw it on tv. looked fairly soft as in real time. didn't think it was a pen. even the player said it wasn't a pen, though funnily ..that wasn't his initial reaction judging by his appeals  MJ did dither a bit. but then again rushing about in the area would only make it look more rash. you could say..."you've seen them given" but but the way some VAR and other pen decisions go, you could say that to almost anything. the pen incident is shown in the extended highlights on ifollow here. www.bwfc.co.uk/ifollow/latest-videos/ |
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 28, 2021 10:57:26 GMT
Just one extra comment after watching the highlights. How slow/casual was Williams in that penalty incident in the last minute? He had the ball at his feet and then paused for half a second instead of clearing and it could easily have cost us. This is not the first time from him David, he’s often slow to react. I don’t know if it’s brain freeze, slow thinking or just complacency but he certainly shouldn’t be doing it in the penalty box and as you say it nearly cost us and could have turned the celebrations into consternation. I accept Barrow defended well and made things difficult but we never seemed to have anybody with the intention of running at them and breaking them down. Yesterday would have been exactly the day for Maddison with his direct approach and propensity to shoot. I’m really looking forward to seeing more of him once up to match fitness and settled in. I just hope Evatt doesn’t try to constrain him because at this level he should be able to do some damage to the opposition. |
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