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Post by davidm on Feb 13, 2021 17:19:49 GMT
I suppose a win is a win but that was dreadful.
We just never competed in the second half.
We had a great start. Lovely move by Afolayan and John and a rocket shot from John with his wrong foot. We could have scored more as Baptiste had a chance and Doyle should have set Delfouneso up for a shot. Stevenage had possession but were a bit toothless except once when they got a shot in from the left that Gilks saved well.
What had happened after the first 15/20 minutes was that our pace and intensity early doors just faded and we fell back into the Morecambe pattern of endless slow play across the back.
Second half, we had couple of so so moves early on and then Stevenage dominated.
They had all the ball and we relied on Santos and Baptiste to defend like mad.
THIS SHOULD NOT HAPPEN AT HOME.
We just sat back, our passing got more ragged and Stevenage just attacked and attacked.
The sending off was unfortunate but Williams is like a carthorse to me. 2 games from him and nothing.
So we hung on and got a vital win but please don’t let an unfortunate red card cover up another poor poor home performance.
Marks:-
Gilks - 6 Good save in 1st half. Nothing much to do after that
Jones - 6 Sluggish start but steady enough in the end
John - 7 Good start. Great shot for goal. Bit raggy towards the end
Santos - 8 Excellent.
Baptiste - 8 Good also. Could (should?) have scored
Williams - 3 Before the sending-off, there were too many poor passes. I would prefer Tutte in that role and definitely Lee
Thomason - 7 Good game. Gave a couple of needless free kicks away towards the end but a good performance
Maddison - 5 Trying to do the Hollywood style passes/moves which did not come off
Afolayan - 6 Started well. Ran into a brick wall a few times
Delfouneso - 5 He does stand around and watch moves happening without joining in
Doyle - 5 No service again. Should have set Delfouneso up in first half and maybe scored in last minute
Gnahoua - 6 Started OK but finished up as an extra left back
Isgrove - 5 What was he doing in the last minute? He should have been straight to the corner flag. Instead he dribbled, lost the ball and the opposition had another attack
Tutte - 5
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:20:16 GMT
It's not the tippy tappy football I object to It's were the team do it on our own door step and in front of it if they want to play like Barcelona get the bloody players that can do it that's all I'm saying a win is a win and who the fxcks parky stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by kenglowhite on Feb 13, 2021 17:22:56 GMT
Totally uncoordinated. Schoolboy football again. Unable to tackle, frequently run alongside opponents without trying to win the ball. No shooting, Doyle out of it Poor corners and crosses, Edgy defending. A ball to Jones means we'll lose it. If we are to play and praise Thomason he must stay on the left as he has no right foot. Isgrove is a waste of space. Hope the ref is proved wrong again, but as usual Evatt doesn't know how to organise a team and brings in players who are no better than the ones we already have. Though the Spam loanee had his moments he wasn't playing to a plan. Why can't he give Darcy a chance? Thank heavens for Santos today. A very lucky three points under all the circumstances. The silly little boys at Bolton FM were speculating at the start as to whether Sarcevic could get his place back. Bien sur he can, but in a team better organised by the manager that doesn't give us supporters the jitters throughout the game.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 17:27:34 GMT
Click on this image, apart from our one goal, the stats are ridiculously in favour of Stevenage. It'll be interesting to know what carp Evatt will come up with after this game. Guaranteed he'll start with the ref.
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Post by andyl on Feb 13, 2021 17:40:17 GMT
Just one additional point.. It seems obvious to me that we are a counter- attacking team whose only real threat comes on transitions or when they make errors as today for Williams robbed by Doyle. We offer no set piece threat .
So all the time inter-passing and going backwards is compeletely wasted and just invites giveaways. We have no off the ball runners other than Thomason and Le when he plays and no-one with speed upfront.
So, we'd be far better off letting the opposition come at us, keeping the field narrow and having a couple of tireless runners upfront with a bit of speed.
Today Santos , Baptiste. Maddison and Thomasson all carried the ball through on surging counter attacks. That's our way
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 13, 2021 17:53:54 GMT
Who’s Parky wots? Come on rftr your grammars nearly as bad as the teams football 😉😊 You losing your sense of humour W63 Parkhoofson 🤪🤪
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 13, 2021 19:00:08 GMT
Who’s Parky wots? Come on rftr your grammars nearly as bad as the teams football 😉😊 You losing your sense of humour W63 Parkhoofson 🤪🤪 Ha ha, no rftr, in fact if I didn’t still have a sense of humour I wouldn’t be watching Wanderers!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2021 19:10:03 GMT
Do you know, I’m not sure I care how this game finishes now, this team is full of bird brains, no bottle and second to every ball. We’re going nowhere with this bunch I’m afraid. That's exactly how I felt during the game whites. I've felt for a long time that we are going nowhere with this lot, manager included. No make that manager especially.
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Post by andyl on Feb 13, 2021 19:10:34 GMT
One more point is that Doyle has a career goal rate of 1 in 3 Miller 1 in 4/5 and Delfouneso 1 in 6. Miller in 2015/16 was 1 in 2.
Delfouneso is if anything a ball carrier but we now have several of those. Miller is an upfront runner.
So if we played narrow and deep, used both Miller and Doyle for angled out balls and then pushed the defence up quickly we could fairly regularly burst through or indeed round as we have a number of players who like to play narrow and drift wide.
I just think our overall tactic is ill suited to our current approach. I'd rather have a target man but Miller if fit would offer more threat than Delfouneso.
At the moment we work tortuously up and back when the opposition are most of the time centrally set..it would be so much better if we went at them quickly from deep by surging run or longer ball.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 13, 2021 19:24:25 GMT
Really poor. Scored in the 7th minute and our next attack was 91st minute.
Were at home against a very poor team.
Was never a red but that game with the talent we've got should be dead and buried.
If we would have been pegged back would have given Evatt another excuse. That was poor and i hope a win doesnt paper over that.
It wasnt a great shut out. Jones left his player with 2 free headers, they fluffed thier lines but were well deserving of a point.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Feb 13, 2021 19:40:34 GMT
well, at least he give a fairer interview today. acknowledges we made hard work of it, and needed to kill it off earlier.
this is what you've got to do. build unbeaten runs. build confidence. play better next game. get big players back like Lee & Sarce. Lee always seems to give us more control. not sure we can play 4231 without lee really.
we were playing 433 for a few weeks before that. maybe needed 3 in m/f today for the extra control considering the free role of Dapo and the lack of back tracking from MM. Eyre seemed to think Delf was doing loads of work. I could be wrong, but I didn't spot too much of that.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 13, 2021 20:24:58 GMT
Eyre must wake up with a Special Brew with his Cornflakes. Its not hard to see why Delfouneso has gone from Premier league to League 2 at the same rate of Bolton. Hes a poor player who is stealing a career as a footballer.
Should be aiming for 15-20 goals in this league minimum wont get half and not through lack of oppurtunity.
A bolton win is seldom and normally, however the performance, will be cause for much celebration but flat tonight.
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Post by one2many on Feb 14, 2021 18:08:00 GMT
Just watched the "highlights. Feel sorry for anyone who watched the whole game if those were the best bits!! Everything played at a pedestrian pace. On the Williams sending off, not a red card, maybe a foul, but not deserving of any colour of card.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 14, 2021 20:00:53 GMT
I can tell you that watching the whole game was as usual purgatory o2m, just awful after the first 20 minutes. This happens regularly I’m afraid and really needs to be addressed. I actually liked the effort put in by Maddison and Dapo, despite being a bit wayward and feel once they have settled down and stopped trying to over impress I think they’ll be a good motivation to the rest of the team. Add in Thomason’s energy and John’s quality on the left and we might have half a chance of making the play offs after all.
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Post by andyl on Feb 15, 2021 10:24:41 GMT
I just think if we were to ask how the Leyton game was different it was in the play of Lee. By staying put, pressing when necessary and not unless, reading the game and being almost invisible in so doing you could miss how effective he was.
Marc Iles tried to argue that Williams and Thomason were working well together --I didn't think so. I thought Thomason was all too often out right on his wrong foot and Williams was clumsy and needing too much time. There was one moment in the first half when I thought Williams was reacting so slowly in our box that they would be bound to beat him. I can see that he added a bit of height and physicality and that might have been OK had he not had an array of wandering minstrels ahead who at any given time could be almost anywhere or in the case of Delfouneso, nowhere. I agree, rtf, if he was indeed doing all the work Eyre commended it did not happen on screen.
The end product was the same as in very other game at home this year and a fair few away. Once Stevenage realised that they could outnumber our midfield by pushing up and away from Delfouneso and to boot dragging Doyle deeper with them they bossed it. It's obvious really if you are an opposition Doyle does not have speed, close control or shooting power, so if you push up you will neuter his effectiveness. That's why the remedy has to be quick transition, sharp passing and through-- here we have real advantages, although not quick Thomason, Delfouneso, Sarcevic, Santos, Tutte especially but also Baptiste and Gnahouha and now Maddison and Dapo are really good ball carriers- hardly any teams have those ( if we think back to Pratley, Lowe etc that was our curse in div 1 and championship) but at this level we do and we also have at least one top striker at this level who can pass shots into goal and head and pounce if we set him up
So, we have to play sensibly, hold shape and play within ourselves and then carry the ball forward quickly at very opportunity-- passing is great but the pedestrian sideways possession game is no good for the strengths we have whereas if we regularly counter attacked and regularly shot at goal and if we had Doyle and Miller or Darcy running forward into channels ( rathe than Delfouneso) then we would be more successful. As it is whatever the concoction of players on the field the system just drags us down.
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