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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 17, 2021 17:11:31 GMT
I’ve just been playing a Countdown game and the letters came up
I A N E V A T T and I came up with NAIVE TAT but when I looked again and studied hard, i could see Keith Hill Dougie Freedman🤔🤔
As Woppy says and much as I’ve predicted that the season ends abruptly and we get relegated to non league obscurity!!!!
Nobody could have predicted our demise when Okocha lined that free kick up against Aston Villa all those years ago, just as nobody predicted that our glorious country would head into lockdown with many many unfortunate and avoidable deaths and then throw into the mix our relegation to the Vanarama’s via a points per game prediction.... Yep It’s all unbelievable But it can happen
FV have had long enough to get their teeth into football club ownership and maybe now it’s about time they showed their teeth and cleared this Evatt chap on as he’s not the man to lead us up the leagues, NEVER
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 17, 2021 17:43:10 GMT
It’s a difficult one rftr because I think both FV and Evatt are in the learning process. Had FV been experienced with football managers, they may have seen through Evatt’s naievity and inexperience and not believed the guff he’s coming out with. Luckily for IE, they seem to have shifted all the blame so far onto Phoenix and binned him instead of both of them, giving Evatt an opportunity to prove that left to himself, he can produce a better team. In fairness, the signings of John and Lee look good ones but bringing two untested kids in and throwing them straight into action without even a training session seems incredibly stupid and unnecessary when you have experienced players like Gnahoua and Greenidge busting a gut, on the bench. I really want him to succeed, as I’m sure we all do but I’m beginning to agree with OM that he may be more of a Charlatan than a genuine leader. Time will tell but these next two signings he’s supposed to have lined up had better be good ones or the knives will really come out for him.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 17, 2021 20:15:11 GMT
do you want the good news or the bad news ? ( don't click on the link til you've read the rest ) www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/ian-evatt-knows-whats-wrong-18940033first the good news : he's "learnt a hell of a lot" from the last game. and is ADAMANT HE CAN FIX IT. He said: "I think there was a couple of ingredients missing and I think today, I’ve learnt a hell of a lot and in a strange way, and I cannot even express the words that can make you understand it, but you’ll probably see next Saturday and I’m hoping after the game on Saturday when we’re having this conversation, you can say ‘I’ve seen what you saw and we’ve cracked it’." That’s how clearly I think I see it at the moment. I can see there’s something that’s missing and I can see that I know how to fix it.the BAD news is that article is from mid September. the next game he talked about.... we lost 2-0 to Newport. & we still hadn't scored a league goal after 3 games. www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54215227#tab-Live%20Text Newport had 9 shots on target to our 3. he picked a midfield 2 of Comley and White..while our best defensive mid all season, Tutte, was on the bench. one other little quickie while i'm on. : www.whoscored.com/Teams/92/Show/England-Boltonthese team profile. strengths and weaknesses are quite interesting they've got us as : + Strengths Creating chances using through balls Strong Coming back from losing positions Strong Protecting the lead Strong - Weaknesses Stopping opponents from creating chances Weak Avoiding fouling in dangerous areas Weak Avoiding individual errors Weak Defending set pieces Weak Avoiding offside Very Weak Defending against through ball attacks Very Weak this is Carlisles in comparison + Strengths Attacking set pieces Very Strong Creating scoring chances Very Strong Stealing the ball from the opposition Very Strong Counter attacks Strong Creating long shot opportunities Strong Defending set pieces Strong - Weaknesses Keeping possession of the ball Weak Finishing scoring chances Weak Protecting the lead Weak and this is Newports : www.whoscored.com/Teams/1394/Show/Wales-Newport+ Strengths Shooting from direct free kicks Very Strong Defending set pieces Very Strong Attacking set pieces Strong Creating chances using through balls Strong Creating scoring chances Strong - Weaknesses Protecting the lead Weak Defending against skillful players Weak Defending against long shots Very Weak one of our problems is we don't defend set pieces well enough and don't score from them. Evatt is like bad Wenger on this stuff. to work on that non-pretty stuff is beneath him. he says as much himself in this article www.theboltonnews.co.uk/sport/18973426.wanderers-boss-ian-evatt-pin-points-side-struggled-set-pieces/What I can’t do is go on and mark someone for them. I would like to show them how it is done but I can’t.“ I don’t think you can train set pieces man-to-man because everyone’s routine is different, the delivery is different, you can’t really replicate that,” he said.
Big Sam would cringe reading that. even Evatt admits 50% of goals comes from set pieces. another line from that piece. Eyebrows were raised yesterday when Evatt volunteered the fact his team had conceded 17 goals from set pieces – the defending of which has been their Achilles heel since the day he walked through the door.
surprising really this hasn't been a bigger topic for discussion.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 17, 2021 21:03:07 GMT
What was Tobias's biggest mistake? Not necessarily the job lot he signed. Try the manager - non other than Ian Evatt, at a price, too. Surely this was his darkest hour after all his talk about training - bringing in two players and putting them straight into the side for such an important fixture. I'm not too happy with the Lee signing either. He's doing anything but holding midfield. Jackson's CV claims he is a midfielder, so maybe he will eventually take up that challenge - at least, as Davidm, says he has two feet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2021 9:40:35 GMT
"I can see there’s something that’s missing and I can see that I know how to fix it."
‘I’ve seen what you saw and we’ve cracked it’.
Snake Oil Salesman, or someone selling the King's New Clothes?
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Post by andyl on Jan 18, 2021 12:18:29 GMT
In 480 BC the Persian King, Xerxes 1, infamously ordered his men to give the sea 300 lashes after a pontoon of bridges he was building into the Dardanelles as he prepared to invade Greece collapsed because of sea currents or storm.
In 2021AD Ian Evatt of BWFC ordered the abandonment of the proud dugout, witness to so many victories and patrolled by managers Todd, Allardyce, Lee, Megson, Coyle, Freedman, Phillips, Lennon, Parkinson, and Hill. So many memories. RIP, proud dugout and at last we understand where all those previous went wrong or were misguided in the trajectory of their divine right to harangue referees of fourth officials.
What utter XXXXXXXX
And so too much of Marc Iles report and IE's reaction. Yes, I thought that there was a hint of something more balanced and yes with Lee in place we have someone who can collect throw-ins and will run off the ball as does Thomasson. Such a shame then that all throw ins are programmed backwards. I thought the first half was tedious, one paced and as whites since 63 pointed out the final passes or crosses were just appalling. It was as if no-one was looking for or still less had any sense of where colleagues might be nor the ability or desire to find them, unless in avoidance of shooting
And where has gone that old favourite the shot. I'd exempt Thomasson and Tutte from this both have had recent shots. Maybe even Gnahouha has shown willing. Doyle looks to shoot from distance but isn't very good at it. Sarcevic who is is so obsessed with one twos and plays them so riskily that some of the time he'd be better shooting. Isgrove had one effort glanced away. But who else had a shot in earnest. Who looks to?
I'm afraid I can only see a relegation battle at the moment. Tranmere, Orient and Mansfield are on the horizon and we didn't get much change out of any of these earlier, did we.
If we believed the hype we'd think we were a fit, passing team-- well that being the case why do we do better in a hurricane at Carlisle, on a beach in Exeter and so easily lose or draw our home games, once even conceding six goals.
We live in hope but nothing, absolutely nothing IE has done, still less that he has said have been remotely impressive, incisive or accurate nor has his match demeanour and continual criticism of referees and everyone else done other than detract from any positive assessment. Maybe he can improve and turn things round, some people do. But it didn't end well for Xerxes.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 18, 2021 16:16:33 GMT
Considering everything, we just don’t have anyone in the squad that excites you. Nobody that you wish would get on the ball in the hope that they’ll actually do something. I suppose Politic was the nearest thing we had to that but have really missed him this season. As you say Andy, neither do we have anybody who can actually shoot from distance, everything is just so tedious. Our build ups are so slow. We pass the ball about but when our players receive the ball they just stop and look for someone else to pass to, they don’t receive the ball and run into space with it, opening up chances for other players to receive it on the move. By the time we’ve got the ball forward, the other team have all their men back behind the ball and we don’t have the invention or composure to play through them, other than occasional runs from Sarcevic or Delfouneso and latterly Gnahoua. By just quickening the pace a bit and getting forward more quickly, I’m sure this team would look different again. At least we’ve now got two left footers down the left side with the new recruits, however young they are and that at least gave us the width we’ve been lacking. Reflecting on Saturday, it’s true we could have been well ahead by half time if Doyle had put his chances away, so if we can keep that up for ninety minutes and add another striker, preferably a more physical one, we might just be able to cling onto the hope of a play off spot, although we need to be doing it pronto as time is running out.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 18, 2021 20:46:24 GMT
just looking at their goal from a corner ..at 1.10.
there's only really Sarce free. everyone else man marking.
this is the flaw with man-marking..you're vulnerable to block offs . I think you want a mix of zonal & man marking. pick up their key targets but also mark key areas.
ideally i'd want someone on that key area of our penalty spot..which is exactly where Boyle ..their main aerial threat makes his header from.
Boyle gives Delaney a mini push to get free.
god knows what 's going on front post. is Santos holding or him being held. maybe their tactic was to keep Santos away from that penalty spot. not sure what Doyle doing either ..tussling with his man rather than watching the ball.
Isgrove too looks like he was possibly fouled. again tactic seemed to be keep the pen spot area free.
Alfie May is doing the Kevin Nolan role of blocking the keeper...both physically and his sight lines..so although it looks bad for Gilks, I do have some sympathy .
I don't claim to be an expert on set pieces...but i suppose it's no different to normal play ..if they have a massive threat..a tricky winger...you might double up on him. so consider doubling up on Boyle. if you crowd him out, he can't run to the ball...even with a little fella blocking him.
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Post by andyl on Jan 19, 2021 9:22:51 GMT
We aren't experts but Evatt a centre half is paid to practise and drill them. Both our defensive and even more so attacking corners and set pieces are a major weakness in part because only really Darcy can take them consistently with a nod to Thomason. And Darcy isn't considered worthy of a place. Perhaps like Gnahouha he's seen as needing to improve defensively - a criticism spared of Delfouneso
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 19, 2021 11:24:41 GMT
I fear we won’t be having the Darcy discussion much longer Andy because it’s obvious Evatt doesn’t rate him. I’d be surprised if he wasn’t sent out on loan at least before the end of the window, because he needs games and clearly isn’t going to get them here. In fairness, it might do him good and give him a chance to prove to Evatt why he should be considered. If he does well he might be able to come back for next year or be sold on for a decent fee if we don’t get promoted. I’m not in the Darcy is a world beater camp but just can’t accept that he wouldn’t be an improvement on some of the choices Evatt is making. As for being defensive too, I suppose in Evatt’s “total football” world, he needs every player to be prepared to help out when not in possession but as you say, the defenders themselves need to learn their job properly before putting the emphasis on creative players like Ronan and Arthur.
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Post by westandlower on Jan 19, 2021 16:01:09 GMT
We do have one player that likes a shot - Crawford. Unfortunately they usually cross the plane of the goal either heading for row Z or the corner flag. What a shadow of the player he was last season. What's gone wrong?
I cannot see Evatt getting the push this month or before the start of next season unless we're in serious danger of getting relegated. That means he's probably got until next Christmas to get it right. A poor finish to the season and watch those season ticket sales dive.
First half on Saturday, was the best we've played all season, but Cheltenham seemed to go all defensive once they scored and we had no answers until the final 15 mins or so. It always surprises me that managers find it hard to make major tactical decisions part way through a game. Do they never pan for Plans B, C or D (don't answer that)?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 19, 2021 16:24:00 GMT
Like you Westy, I just don’t know what’s wrong with Ali. I was expecting so much more from him and at this level he should be tearing it up. I could accept one thing going awry but he seems to have lost everything, shooting, passing, free kicks and corners, all really poor. Frankly he’s just not worth a place at the moment so I’m not surprised he’s on the bench. We don’t really have anyone who can shoot from outside the box and our shots on target clearly illustrate that. I wonder if Evatt ever works on that aspect or just on pass8ng sideways and keeping the ball? We’re so poor in so many aspects that it doesn’t seem so. Every time a ball comes into our box, you expect our defenders and keeper to miss it and you never expect to win a header from a set piece in the opposition box. I’d love to see them training because if they are practising these areas, then they aren’t doing enough.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 19, 2021 19:35:00 GMT
On Crawford I'm not sure what has gone wrong but found it odd that Doncaster let him go when they did. Maybe a short bit of good form plus a long term injury resulted in an unrealistic appraisal of him.
Back to Evatt. The main reason why i think hes a charlatan came clear. Ive not known a manager to talk so much about marginal gains - without gains.
IF a manager stumbles upon a way of working why would he be so forthcoming in press. Any other manager would keep his aces up his sleeve. The fact that he is so open to tell the world his methods makes me think he is a deluded novice who thinks he can crack it with some smug arrogance.
I dont know many managers who are meticulous and innovative who spend as much time telling anyone who will listen how innovative they are.
Whats the saying about empty vessels?
I do wonder if IE runs these things (changing rooms, dug out swapping, etc) by the owners and whether they think "oh god, what have we done" when he comes up with his next plan.
And am I right in thinking that FV were once associated with Mark Warburton. Or was that a different party. I wonder if that could or would be revisited at some point. Would hope so.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 19, 2021 23:35:08 GMT
Yes OM, it puzzled me why Ali left Doncaster and the fans there didn’t seem overly bothered. Bet they don’t want him back now, they are flying at the moment, another good win tonight. Like you though, I do wish Evatt would speak a little less. I’m putting it down to inexperience coupled with an acute desire to succeed and deliver what he’s promised. I’m fully behind him continuing to build a team to play the way he wants, despite it failing at the moment because so many give up before they make it. Turning this club round is no easy task, we’ve been on the slide for so long and doing it on a shoestring and hobbled by embargo’s makes it even more difficult. I don’t blame him for selling us a good story, I think he was approached knowing his beliefs and to be fair to FV, they’re backing him to deliver on it. Whether he can we still have to wait and see but although results haven’t gone the way we’d hoped for, the football at times is light years better than it was under Parkinson, who considering the quality of the players he had, should have done so much better. So although I’m regularly critical, I’m still fully behind him to get it right if he can only by hook or by crook get in a couple of quality signings in what’s left of the window. Making the play offs though difficult isn’t impossible and if they can just start converting one or two of the chances they’re missing and get a few good results over the next few weeks, confidence will build and who knows what can happen then?
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