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Post by OohMac on Jan 16, 2021 17:08:33 GMT
Not sure what saved Evatt more a late equaliser or lockdown.
Cant take 1 point from the teams weve played at home and not get backlash.
As said last week we look like we will lose Darcy and for me he is worth more, and potentially much more than Evatt is. I worry for the future with this guy in charge. I cannot understand how we cannot take a lead when we clearly have some ability. All down to motivation, preparation and lacking in both.
Relegation home form and mid/low table away form.
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Post by andyl on Jan 16, 2021 17:14:24 GMT
Really poor again. Once their manager countered our right wing space there was very little left. Tutte played a good early cross and Doyle nissed the easiest of all his chances. Soon after a lost man ( Thomason or Delaney couldn't tell) Gilks made a howler and heads dropped.
At least Evatt used the subs as I'd earlier hoped although strangely not Delfouneso given the love affair of earlier games. I think this probably saved us ultimately.
What I detest is that we have been radicalised into almost always looking to go backwards so fully 70 minutes pass with no forward threat and here Cheltenham safely encamped.
Crawford offered his usual cameo of promise and poor passes, again taking deadballs. It is not his fault though that we are so poor aerially upfront.
Gnahoua offered a bit of hope and in the end got through to cross a ball that even Doyle today could not miss, albeit mishitting and perhaps with shot going in off.
Brockbank was surer than Jones but again looking back before forward. We had no real answer to their half time regroup. They offered little.
Lee got injured ensuring that my prediction here was better than wots' who had suggested the first game. I like Lee and although he was quiet it was no coincidence that our good patch paired him with Thomason- they are as good off the ball as Crawford is bad.
It was very odd murder ball and all to select two loan signings straightaway and neither really cut the mustard, did they. Jackson was too negative albeit the better of the two although I thought glimpses of the Irish loanee were better. Neither remotely as good as Darcy and I suspect going the way of many a first time selection to bench or boundary.
Isgrove is fluffy but he does try. I think he had his best game today and until Gnahoua much of our energy and threat came from him. If we can get a striker who is strong, tall and forceful to offset Doyle or Delfonso we may have a chance
Finally what does Sarcevic have to do to be subbed?
Gilks 3 Jones 5 Santos 6 Delaney 5 Jackson 4 Thomason 6 Lee 4 Isgrove 7 Sarcevic 2 Doyle 3 Ez 4 Gnahoua 6 Crawford 2 Tutte 6 Brockbank 5
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Post by davidm on Jan 16, 2021 17:25:45 GMT
Yet another depressing home performance.
20 minutes of decent attacking play at the end of the first half but we are hopeless trying to score. We should have been ahead at half time but half chances just came and went.
Their manager sussed everything out at half time and stopped Isgrove and Jones down the right from having the space they had in the first half and we faded away.
Delaney is becoming a serious danger to us with his lack of heading ability. Yet again, he just did not jump for a corner, their man did and headed goalwards but Gilks also must take blame because he should have held the ball.
We just floundered around after that, Cheltenham shut up shop until they made a mistake at the back allowing us to equalise.
Overall, a rank poor performance.
I am the eternal optimist but I am fast coming to the conclusion that all we can hope for is not to be sucked into a relegation fight. We moved 1 point nearer the relegation spots today.
So so poor.
Marks:-
Gilks - 5 Should not have dropped the ball for their goal.
Jones - 6 Combined well with Isgrove in the last 20 minutes of the first half but his crossing was rank bad.
Santos - 6 OK defensively but his forward passes were poor quality
Delaney - 3 He needs to learn to jump! Beaten for a header for their goal, beaten a few minutes later from an identical position. Centre halves must win headers.
Jackson - 6 Decent debut – seems to be 2-footed
Sarcevic - 4 Just not in the game much. When he gets going, he looks dangerous but he disappeared too much today.
Lee - 4 Wasn’t able to dictate play at all.
Isgrove - 5 Good last 20 minutes of first half. Second half? Where was he?
Doyle - 5 Could (maybe should) have had a hat trick. Header cleared off the line, one saved, one just wide but in the right place to equalise.
Elbouzedi - 3 Nothing to see from him today
Crawford - 3 Came on as sub, expected some enthusiasm but overhit corners and some really poor passing and soft tackling back
Gnahoua - 5 At least he looked interested and kept going to create our goal
Brockbank - 5 Steady but his attacking ability is non-existent
Tutte - 5 As I have said about most of the midfield, he could not dominate
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 16, 2021 17:40:12 GMT
good grief. barmpot. now it's the stadiums fault.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 16, 2021 17:50:55 GMT
same commenter in the 1st tweet above talking a fair bit of sense IMO here too. this is clearly coming from the manager too. tactics. methods of play.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 18:07:29 GMT
Well, I've read the two reports so far and I have this question, based on the opening paragraph of Match reaction in the BN.
IAN Evatt was gutted that a performance he felt was the best Wanderers had put together this season was not enough for three points against Cheltenham Town.
and it follows: “I think it’s the best we’ve played all season, no doubt,” Evatt said.
and... we’ve completely dictated the whole game, tempo, possession, worked them.
Get this: We’re missing Nathan (Delfouneso) today... Why didn't you pick him then you fool. He wasn't lissing, he was dropped...
Qu: Was it the best this season? If we are then based on AndyL's and Davidm's then we're going nowhere fast and I trust our posters more than Evatt.
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Post by davidm on Jan 16, 2021 18:17:30 GMT
Well, I've read the two reports so far and I have this question, based on the opening paragraph of Match reaction in the BN. IAN Evatt was gutted that a performance he felt was the best Wanderers had put together this season was not enough for three points against Cheltenham Town. and it follows: “I think it’s the best we’ve played all season, no doubt,” Evatt said. and... we’ve completely dictated the whole game, tempo, possession, worked them. Qu: Was it the best this season? If we are then based on AndyL's and Davidm's then we're going nowhere fast. It's the manager 's definition of "dictated" that is questionable. If he means Santos passes to Delaney who passes to Santos who passes to Jones who etcetera etcetera then Yes we dictated If he means that we put pressure on their area and looked like scoring often then No we didn't
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2021 18:39:46 GMT
David you should read match reaction. I think he was a t a different game.
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Post by davidm on Jan 16, 2021 18:47:11 GMT
David you should read match reaction. I think he was a t a different game. I've read it - I think the man is crackers We had 65% possession but most of it was in our half You can pass the ball along the back line forever but you'll never a score from in your own half. Then we will make a mistake, because we have L2 quality defenders and for all our dictating of the game, we are struggling for a point.
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Post by andyl on Jan 16, 2021 18:52:04 GMT
Me too 'That was a victory' Impeach!
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 16, 2021 19:17:56 GMT
I was so disinterested by the end, I actually couldn’t care less that we equalised. If Evatt genuinely believes that was our best performance of the season, then I’m really starting to worry. Yet again we showed absolutely no composure around their box. We get into good positions but the crosser never looks up and picks out a white shirt, it either hits the first man, is over hit, or just punted in to a defender. We don’t have one player who has this quality about their play. Or should I say we do, but Darcy never gets picked. How he can be overlooked every week with some of the ineptness shown by those who are picked instead just saddens me. To bring two novices in and put them straight into the team instead of more experienced and competent players shows a naievity in Evatt that’s worrying.
The two debutants were no better than those who have left, or been deemed not good enough and I can’t see improving much. The left back looked less good than Gordon to me although to be fair he did get a couple of crosses in which Gordon didn’t. The so called winger didn’t look to have either skill or pace and I don’t think will be seen much and is a waste. All in all, I’m becoming increasing concerned that Evatt is a disaster. These latest two signings to me smell of desperation to just make signings. They may well only be short term fill ins until the end of the season, but if Evatt can’t bring in the type of quality player he really wants, I’d respect him a lot more if he just admitted that due to embargo and wage caps, he’s going to have to stick with what he’s got and make it work, rather than bring in inferior players. Sadly, I don’t see any way that we will now make the play offs but neither do I fear of going down. I think we just have to accept the mediocrity seen so far for the remainder of the season because I genuinely don’t think Evatt has the knowledge or experience to improve things.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 16, 2021 19:34:14 GMT
Personally think the man is a charlatan and this is a vanity project. Big Sam had no issues with the layout of the stadium when Arsenal came to town. But hes probably listened to an audiobook on marginal gains and thinks hes cracked it.
He is deluded no doubt.
I am always keen on a boxing metaphor. Playing well in patches is like when Amir Khan fought Canelo. He did look good for spells. Guess what? No one cares because when it matters the other guy got his number and knocked him out.
As for possession based i liken that to a boxer that throws 400 punches. How many land? Be better throwing less and hitting more, which is what teams are doing us. Especially at UniBol.
I'm sure in any other season with fans Evatt would be a dead man walking. I think he will get a pass. Phoenix has taken the brunt and bought him time. FV may decide to write this season off.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Jan 16, 2021 19:46:31 GMT
My worry is, if the season is cut short again and the final League table is decided the same way as last season, we are in serious danger of going out of the league. We need a change of manager now....before its too late.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 16, 2021 20:26:17 GMT
My worry is, if the season is cut short again and the final League table is decided the same way as last season, we are in serious danger of going out of the league. We need a change of manager now....before its too late. Actually Woppy the Points per game may be our saving grace. Were 7 off relegation, 8 from play offs. Frustratingly weve take a single point from 4 winnable home matches. We should really have had 7 points in those games minimum and been well in it. Inside Ian Evatt must know deep down hes in well over his head. All sorts of negative records, out at the earliest stage in every cup comp and bottom half of a very poor league. How he can look at the matches we've played at home and think the real issue is the changing rooms??? Guy needs a lie down in a dark room.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Jan 16, 2021 21:03:44 GMT
Hope you are right pal.......
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