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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 8, 2020 20:14:49 GMT
as predicted..cheered to the rafters. a victory for actually listening to the supporters association and CONSULTING with them.
winning over hearts and minds. not trying to impose on them or dictate to them. you bring them round to your side, like good man management does, not the bad management that Freedman would do ,..rubbing people up the wrong way.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 9, 2020 16:37:02 GMT
Personally I wouldnt boo the action(knee) as i dont care enough about it. I would probably just chat or check my phone through it and not give further thoughts.
Simon Jordan on talk sport gave his opinion on the fans and has proven to be right. Jim White got on his high horse again and missed all valid points.
It is a confused message and hope last night shines a light. Ditch it and find your own ways to illustrate your own issues.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 9, 2020 16:53:47 GMT
I’d boo OM and I don’t mind admitting it and it would be for exactly the same reason that the supporters at other clubs did it, not due to any racist tendencies. In fact I think the racism comes from players not satisfied with just taking the knee but using the raised arm black power signal, which to me is a completely racist action. It’s just another case of give them an inch and it’s obvious some would want the mile. As usual, our woke society, media and those players and managers too happy to decry it, jumped on the bandwagon without understanding the real reason people were expressing their disatisfaction. Well done Millwall fans and players to be fair, for clarifying and agreeing an alternative. Will this prompt the football authorities to see sense and banish this disruptive gesture in favour of something more inclusive and less political, or will they just ignore it until more fans boo when allowed back into grounds, which I for one will.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Dec 10, 2020 10:56:12 GMT
Personally I wouldnt boo the action(knee) as i dont care enough about it. I would probably just chat or check my phone through it and not give further thoughts. Simon Jordan on talk sport gave his opinion on the fans and has proven to be right. Jim White got on his high horse again and missed all valid points. It is a confused message and hope last night shines a light. Ditch it and find your own ways to illustrate your own issues. I can imagine. Jim White is just insufferable. tend not to listen to that slot. SJ can be good. didn't hear this recent stuff. JW just goes along with things because it's fashionable. you can quite clearly tell he's hasn't got the intellect to figure out why he's actually doing it. on a different subject he proved yet again how little logic or reason he has. SJ was saying Solskjaer was useless & it was all sentiment for him as a player etc, and you could give him as much time as you want, he's never going to to be the right man. a similar view to my own. JW was calling this view " controversial" . I just wanted someone to put to him... well if it's based on merit, how many others from the Norwegian premier lge, who then failed miserably at Cardiff would be in consideration for the Man Utd job. there's just no answer to that. he has absolutely no ability to think on his feet. no ability to make a counter argument. it's just keep repeating the same old guff. I can even remember during the main lockdown, he was trying to make out it wasn't safe for players to play . bringing up all the race stuff with that too, how black players would suffer. back to reality ...and surprise surprise..these really fit athletes with super strong lungs aren't the slightest bit affected by this respiratory virus. the way he was making out we'd still not be playing football now if it was down to him. take zero risks etc. thank god Germany got it going and could prove to the rest it was do-able. of course, we never heard JW admit he was wrong.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 10, 2020 16:11:43 GMT
Agree on all. If Solksjaer gets sacked would he go on to get a job at a top 6 club? Any other premier league club? A top 6 championship club? No. So we're talking Derby. Oh hang on Allardyce interested in Derby so he blows Solksjaer away so OGS is looking at a lower championship club like a Barnsley or L1. How is he at Old trafford still?
And on Jim White insufferable is the word. The intro to thier show is cringe worthy bad. They've billed him and Jordan as these 2 heavyweights of opinion.
How phony is he when he talks about fighting the fight for clubs like Macclesfield, Bury, Charlton and us and then puts his gold tie on and talks about a fantastic window "three hundred thousand million this January. Isnt it great!"
Anyway thats gone off topic.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Jan 5, 2021 11:02:00 GMT
amazing how the f.a aren't taking any action about players breaking Covid rules. it's one thing when it's just the odd player, but we've now had Everton v man city postponed and the spurs v fulham game. and the f.a just leave it to clubs... well they don't have good incentives to ban their own best players. au.sports.yahoo.com/football-the-christmas-party-photo-busted-spurs-players-234635736.htmlwww.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9106245/Footage-appears-Aleksandar-Mitrovic-Luka-Milivojevic-breaking-coronavirus-rules.htmlf.a has contracts with broadcasters to show these games,..they then do NOTHING to try and ensure they do stand a better chance of going ahead. obviously games in our league getting postponed too. this is one of the few things we can look forward to at the moment.Talksport doing some good stuff on this subject..even Jim White talking sense...that's a rarity, and agreeing with both Simon Jordan and Danny Murphy. so quick to ACT TOUGH with supposed racism. Cavani of MAN UTD banned for 3 games just for some cultural mis-understanding.www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/55534759even the Beeb only define his offence as using a Spanish word..which MAY be offensive IN SOME CONTEXTS. no benefit of doubt given. no warning . no second chance. 3 match ban. beyond ludicrous. clearly no INTENTION to be racist. yet so utterly slack with their own obligations to keep football matches going. both Jim White and Jordan called out Andros Townsend for his view saying player bans would not be right. they'd be gotcha'd by journos. what ?? keep your nose clean then. like one of them said, journo's would soon get bored following them round Tesco's. Townsend and his dad ( Troy) are perfectly fine with acting as role models with the BLM STUFF. hilarious double standards. one of them said yesterday, you could perhaps fine the clubs or dock points. the clubs would soon sort it out.. but the initial push has to come from the f.a. good to see the uruguayan players assoc sticking up for Cavani. "Edinson Cavani has never committed any conduct that could be interpreted as racist," said the AFU statement. "He merely used a common expression in Latin America to affectionately address a loved one or close friend." he's hardly going to racially abuse a friend is he. yet still no benefit given. 3 match ban. yet they can't try harder to keep games going. dereliction of duties.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 5, 2021 18:12:39 GMT
I dont follow the Cavani thing. The prosecution(unofficial) seem to be going down the route of "when hes in our country he abides by our rules" but it was done on twitter wasnt it. So if hes talking to a South American friend on a global platform why does he need to conform to a British code of conduct.
The Suarez one was different as it took place in physical form, against a player who wasnt of the same background with intention to insult and whose recipient did not agree with his choice of words.
Its a cop out but Cavani accepted the charge, for some reason so nothing can be done.
As for the covid thing I heard any FA Cup game cancelled due to an outbreak would lead to a forfeit for that team. How would that rule not ruin the whole integrity of the cup and would they be willing to throw out a big 6 team?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 7, 2021 11:11:58 GMT
So here we are again with Southgate publicly backing the taking of the knee for his England players, despite the obvious links to a despicable political organisation, let alone celebrations around the death (Unfortunate and despicable as it was) of a life long crook despite the increasing number of supporters booing to vent their frustration and disagreement. I wonder how many of the Eastern European teams at the Euros will comply and whether the increasing angst of genuine football fans against the action will prompt a reaction? It’s not just inside grounds that this will be heard because anybody who thinks it isn’t going to be reflected in the drink fuelled pubs and bars and kick of problems there, must be extremely naive. Instead of bringing people together to fight racism, the continuation of taking the knee for so long, is actually only serving to increase tensions and Southgate’s determination to force players to do it could easily backfire and have unintended consequences in the long run. What a shame that the tournament and our team could be spoiled and overshadowed by the egotistical, stubborn attitude and statements of our manager. Some things are better ignored and if Southgate had instead inferred that he would leave it to the players themselves, he might have been much wiser.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2021 11:32:22 GMT
So here we are again with Southgate publicly backing the taking of the knee for his England players, despite the obvious links to a despicable political organisation, let alone celebrations around the death (Unfortunate and despicable as it was) of a life long crook despite the increasing number of supporters booing to vent their frustration and disagreement. I wonder how many of the Eastern European teams at the Euros will comply and whether the increasing angst of genuine football fans against the action will prompt a reaction? It’s not just inside grounds that this will be heard because anybody who thinks it isn’t going to be reflected in the drink fuelled pubs and bars and kick of problems there, must be extremely naive. Instead of bringing people together to fight racism, the continuation of taking the knee for so long, is actually only serving to increase tensions and Southgate’s determination to force players to do it could easily backfire and have unintended consequences in the long run. What a shame that the tournament and our team could be spoiled and overshadowed by the egotistical, stubborn attitude and statements of our manager. Some things are better ignored and if Southgate had instead inferred that he would leave it to the players themselves, he might have been much wiser. Simple solution, whites, is don't watch it. Cancel your BT/Sky subscription and see how quickly the knee bending turns to arm bending (and I don't mean beer in hand)to get you back. Trouble is, no-one wants to lead the revolution, but the BLM people got off their arse's quick enough and now it's here, it won't go away. Before you ask, I don't have TV and no season ticket for any club. Never have had, even when I went to Burnden every home game as a youngster.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jun 7, 2021 12:52:12 GMT
Maybe we should refer to the Bible's now almost forgotten 10 Commandments, and refer to the one advising us not to bow to craven images.....
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 7, 2021 17:43:06 GMT
So here we are again with Southgate publicly backing the taking of the knee for his England players, despite the obvious links to a despicable political organisation, let alone celebrations around the death (Unfortunate and despicable as it was) of a life long crook despite the increasing number of supporters booing to vent their frustration and disagreement. I wonder how many of the Eastern European teams at the Euros will comply and whether the increasing angst of genuine football fans against the action will prompt a reaction? It’s not just inside grounds that this will be heard because anybody who thinks it isn’t going to be reflected in the drink fuelled pubs and bars and kick of problems there, must be extremely naive. Instead of bringing people together to fight racism, the continuation of taking the knee for so long, is actually only serving to increase tensions and Southgate’s determination to force players to do it could easily backfire and have unintended consequences in the long run. What a shame that the tournament and our team could be spoiled and overshadowed by the egotistical, stubborn attitude and statements of our manager. Some things are better ignored and if Southgate had instead inferred that he would leave it to the players themselves, he might have been much wiser. Simple solution, whites, is don't watch it. Cancel your BT/Sky subscription and see how quickly the knee bending turns to arm bending (and I don't mean beer in hand)to get you back. Trouble is, no-one wants to lead the revolution, but the BLM people got off their arse's quick enough and now it's here, it won't go away. Before you ask, I don't have TV and no season ticket for any club. Never have had, even when I went to Burnden every home game as a youngster. I don’t have any Sky or TV subscriptions Wots, don’t want to contribute a cent towards the overpaid lemons of the PL but I have renewed my ST for the Unibol for next season, as much to show support to the club as to go to games, numerous of which I’ll miss due to grandkids duty!! I will certainly be with the booers though if they start doing it for the reasons I’ve already outlined. As for the bible Kenglo, you’d think the number of times so many of them cross themselves when they come on the pitch, they might remember more than just the one commandment??
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 11, 2021 8:29:39 GMT
So now we have IE wading in and criticising the booers, claiming we should all be at one on fighting racism! Ian, we all agree with you but this is not the way to do it. Please stop this refusal to listen to why the booing is happening, open your eyes and realise that this action is dividing supporters and we need to find a better and less politicised way of coming together for the benefit of everyone. If you don’t do that this is only going to get worse. Take the BLM badges off shirts, go back to something like letting the players line up and walk shaking hands again before games but whatever you do, remove this blatantly racist, anti white gesture. Try remembering that there is far more black on black serious crime in this country than black on white and you might just see why taking the knee is at best misguided.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jun 11, 2021 9:10:18 GMT
I am all for peace in our time and have every respect for those who have come and made a better life here. This BLM business has stirred a hornets net, I fear, pitting sections of the population unnecessarily against one another and undoing a lot of the progress made towards integration. There will always be an unintelligent number of football supporters incapable of accepting what is now fact, especially able to vaunt their feelings on social media, but that is no reason for this OTT ritual. There must be another way to deal with them. Typically arising out of this the young educated children of immigrants are taking advantage with support for increasingly woke programmes, such as the current one by Oxford dons over the Rhodes statue. I am afraid a lot of this stuff is coming from academics and through them a lot of our schoolteachers have woke views. The moral ? Give wokery an inch, and it will take a yard. That is why I believe Southgate, Sky and co. are alienating many true football supporters. Meanwhile we Bolton fans are true admirers of Santos, Afalayon, and, dare I say it, Delfouneso,
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Post by whitesince63 on Jun 11, 2021 17:22:44 GMT
We’re proud of all our successful players Kenglo, irrespective of colour and we’ve proved that over the years. Look at the players we’ve had from Nathan Blake, Ricardo Gardener, Jay Jay, Miele, Zaidi, Youri and others, yet not one incident of racism that I can recall, just the opposite. It’s not the taking the knee itself that’s winding people up, it’s what lies behind it and no matter how much the likes of Southgate and Evatt try to claim it’s just about anti racism, as long as they carry the badge and links to BLM, a disruptive and highly political organisation, people will continue to vent their displeasure with it. Even BoJo has now come out and asked people not to boo. Boris, understand first why people are booing and stop the cause and don’t just assume it’s because we’re all racist bigots. We’re sick of being labelled and if you and the so called intelligent can’t understand that, this will only get worse. If the FA, UEFA the PL and the PM want this to stop, make a statement that after the competition, the gesture will end, all links to BLM will be removed and a more acceptable practise be used to bring people together.
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Post by OohMac on Jun 12, 2021 19:21:21 GMT
I agree Whites that you cant say its not a political gesture it means this and that now. You cant rebrand it so drop it or accept it as it is.
Still wouldnt boo as simply doesnt offend me. Does remind me of "clap for carers" but people sussed out pretty quickly that C4C was a message that diluted each time and wilted away and was a gimmick that no one wanted to continue particularly the recipients who saw it for what it was a pointless patronising gesture.
Imagine the players most keen to kneel are the poster boys whilst the likes of Zaha are the ones saying "stop that and come back with something that actually means something"
The social media blackout(weekend we were promoted) was pointless because all people did was wait until Monday morning. Like announcing a hunger strike between 8pm and 7am.
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