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Post by davidm on Dec 6, 2020 12:24:01 GMT
There’s been a lot of talk about the January transfer window and what positions needs strengthening and which players need to be shipped out.
I’m not sure that we can do much because of embargos and salary caps etc.
As I understand it, we have an embargo on the number of players in the squad and our total is full (although Faal is out on loan which maybe gives us room for 1 player).
The talk of getting players out confuses me because who will buy these “not good enough” players?
Fine if we can sell them (which is unlikely as they are poor quality) but otherwise how do we get rid? Again as I understand it, if we tear up (i.e. pay up) their contracts, the cost of the contract up until June still counts to the salary cap. So if we can’t sell (or give away) these players, their contract counts towards the salary cap. So, even if we tear their contracts up, we cannot bring anyone else in as I assume that we have probably hit the limit on the salary cap.
So not only do we have an issue with the number of players in the squad but also the salary cap.
Have I got this totally wrong or do we realistically have to go to the end of the season with the current group of players.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 6, 2020 14:21:12 GMT
Well for a start, we have 3 on loan, Crellin, White and Kioso, so maybe we can send them back. I’m not sure any of them would be a big loss if we can get better replacements in. Also, although we can’t sell, we may be able to move one or two like Comley and Gordon out on loan and even Taft as well if we aren’t going to use him. It is going to be tricky but I think one or two teams will be shuffling the pack in January so we may be pleasantly surprised. Or not 😩
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Post by davidm on Dec 6, 2020 15:14:06 GMT
Well for a start, we have 3 on loan, Crellin, White and Kioso, so maybe we can send them back. I’m not sure any of them would be a big loss if we can get better replacements in. Also, although we can’t sell, we may be able to move one or two like Comley and Gordon out on loan and even Taft as well if we aren’t going to use him. It is going to be tricky but I think one or two teams will be shuffling the pack in January so we may be pleasantly surprised. Or not 😩 Can we send the loan players back if they are with us on a season-long loan? Maybe loaning out Comley/Gordon etc may work but we had immense difficulty loaning anyone out pre-season - just the young lads to lower non-league and I'm sure none of our first team squad want to go to North West Counties league. I really hope we can move some out because we need an improvement in a few positions.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 6, 2020 15:31:58 GMT
I don’t know what the position is on returning loans David, I suppose it’s what’s written in the contract. We certainly should have one space from Faals move so we should at least be able to bring in a keeper if IE considers that a priority. Personally, I feel if Gilks is prepared to complete the season and we can’t move anyone else out, then for me another striker is the priority. Surely by moving players around and better coaching, we can still make the play offs with what we have. Yesterday was a real wake up call and if that didn’t shock the players and coaching staff into a new state then we might as well give up altogether. It just doesn’t get any worse than that. It reminded me of our game at Wembley against Reading when we were rocked early with two goals and almost three with the penalty but the character in that team fought back. I thought the same thing had happened yesterday but that stupid piece of play by Santos immediately before half time really knocked the stuffing out of us. I still believe had we not conceded that we would have gone on to win the game. Let’s hope it was just “one of those days” and it’s sharpened everybody up because I still believe there isn’t a team we can’t beat in this league if the players we do have play to their strengths.
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Post by davidm on Dec 6, 2020 16:14:48 GMT
we can still make the play offs with what we have. I still believe there isn’t a team we can’t beat in this league if the players we do have play to their strengths. I agree 100% with what you say, whites. I go into every match expecting to win. I am not convinced by the standard of the teams in this league ( sometimes that includes BWFC!)
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Post by OohMac on Dec 6, 2020 18:17:07 GMT
Think most of our loans last season expired in Jan and most left at that time for different reasons. Same embargo so assume same half season loans.
We may need to be really honest with some players and tell them that theres no deal coming in summer so they either go out on loan(probably non league) or they play down thier contract or we rip it up and free up a space.
If Crellin is contracted surely its in all parties interest for him to move on. Kioso I still think has a role in the squad. Maybe not the ever present fixture hes become. White ive not completely given up on but its not that far off. Hes out of contract in May so one of those who cant afford to rot out of the picture.
Gordon, Comley, Mascoll, Gnanhoua have to go. If they cant get a game with what we have now thats telling.
Surely Taft and Greenidge can get another club.
We may see Liam Edwards, i hope maybe Politic could get some games.
Pretty obvious though we need a GK, LB, LW, DM and 2 Forwards. 1 to replace Miller.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 6, 2020 18:25:51 GMT
Having said that how many players in the last 5 seasons say do you think could play this Evatt style. A defensive midfielder who collects the ball, breaks up the attack, keeps possession and moves the ball forward? And is available on a free?
Or a centre back who is solid can block and intercept but also likes to bomb forward with the ball.
Or a "hybrid" left back who is equally good going forward as he is keeping the opponent at bay.
And a striker who wont see much of the ball but will need to run and run and run in the hope he may get 1 chance a game.
Who are these guys and why are they keen on a L2 club.
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Post by kenglowhite on Dec 7, 2020 14:00:26 GMT
I am not sure how the salary cap applies. Is it per player or per the complete squad? On releasing players, surely most are here on longer than 12 months contracts, and if that is the case the only hope to reduce the size of the squad will be loans. I think the embargo is due to end in May, but at that stage the EFL fine is due to kick in as well. While on finance I wonder why the BN have so far not manged an article on the recent financial agreements with the Premier League and how it affects us.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 7, 2020 16:47:46 GMT
Having said that how many players in the last 5 seasons say do you think could play this Evatt style. A defensive midfielder who collects the ball, breaks up the attack, keeps possession and moves the ball forward? And is available on a free? Or a centre back who is solid can block and intercept but also likes to bomb forward with the ball. Or a "hybrid" left back who is equally good going forward as he is keeping the opponent at bay. And a striker who wont see much of the ball but will need to run and run and run in the hope he may get 1 chance a game. Who are these guys and why are they keen on a L2 club. I don’t think even a PL team would find all those players OM which is why I believe IE will have to adapt his style around the players he does have. There actually isn’t any need for the CH to bomb forward, or a hybrid LWB who can defend as well as attack. Neither should we need a striker who will run all game for one chance. We need defenders who can defend but then pass the ball accurately to the midfield and forwards to do the damage without exposing themselves. We already have a striker in Doyle who will run around and wait for chances but we also have two players who can play wide in Fonz and Isgrove so there isn’t any need for the full backs to stray unnecessarily far forward. We also have in Tutte a midfield player perfectly capable of breaking up play and feeding the forwards and with any luck he’ll be back soon. If we could pick up a similar player though it would give us more cover, although Sonny Graham may be back soon and could also fill that role. I don’t think we need as much as some think and if we can move a few of the fringe players out, should easily be able to bring in what we need.
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Post by kenglowhite on Dec 7, 2020 17:15:38 GMT
Now, realising after Google help that our average player is on around £50,00 p.a., do you think 63 that it would be better at least in the short term Ian Evatt playing 4-3-3 with the players at present at at his disposal? If so which line-up would you put out on Saturday at Walsall ? We don't have a decent defensive left back, or a defensive midfielder in the absence of Tutte, nor a support striker to help out Doyle. It seems to me Tobias and Ian have brought in square pegs for round holes in anticipation of our playing from the back like a lot of EPL teams are doing. Some have suggested using Santos in central midfield, but I don't see him shutt;ing. I feel Sarcevic is probably the best bet for that job, as he is already doing a lot of defending. I think he has to be one thing or the other though, and I prefer him attacking. Maybe Andy's idea of using Kioso as the second striker could be tried with Jones back at right back, If we went for a three in midfield Thomason could operate the left half position, but who would take the right? The more one looks at our playing resources the more it is possible to realise the results we had in November were surprisingly good, but always they had us sitting on the edge of our seats.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 7, 2020 22:31:29 GMT
I think 433 is exactly what we need Kenglo, with two central defenders and two proper full backs. Like you suggest, I’d move Jones to RB and to be fair to Gordon, he’s never really been allowed to play a pure full back role, always having to push forward, which for me is where he’s weak, so he may surprise us. I’d actually drop Santos and give Taft a run alongside Delaney. Taft is at least proven at this level and if both he and Delaney are just feeding the midfield rather than charging forward, he maybe a better bet. I know people have raved about Santos recently but he still looks a liability when run at and despite his size, doesn’t seem to win much against opposing forwards when defending corners and set pieces. Without the pure defensive nature, I think Santos could very well suit a “Campo” type role sitting in front of the back four with Darcy and Sarcevic on either side of him. For width I’d have Fonz on the left and give Isgrove a chance on the right with Doyle obviously up top. The most important thing for me is to build from the back, get the defence tight, forget possession stats and concentrate on breaking quickly instead of the slow and monotonous sideways stuff we’ve had. If you recall, the first game Gilks played, he rarely passed it out, instead playing the ball quickly up front and it worked. On Saturday it was back to the silly passing out to heavily marked defenders with the consequences we saw. Good managers build from the back but I’m afraid IE hasn’t done that and I think he now needs to.
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Post by kenglowhite on Dec 14, 2020 20:10:15 GMT
The BN has us running the rule over a midfield player and punters have a few names in mind, including George Thorne, Kieran Lee , and George Mutch, but we seem also to be raiding Swindon again, and this time it cold be a left back, Dion Donohue, a former Chesterfield teammate of Ian Evatt, who has just torn up his Swindon contract. Looks like ream strengthening is really afoot, and apparently moving in the right directions.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 16, 2020 16:16:04 GMT
Is Zach Clough still without a club?? Could be a great foil for Doyle (poet and don’t know it)
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 16, 2020 22:05:25 GMT
Is Zach Clough still without a club?? Could be a great foil for Doyle (poet and don’t know it) Couldn’t agree more rftr, would love to see him back here and think he’d fit in really well.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 8, 2021 18:39:37 GMT
Signing of Kieran Lea now confirmed so along with Declan John that’s the two key signings in already, plus Kioso is staying. Need a good striker now and if possible an experienced keeper but if we’re low on how many we can bring in I’d be happy to stick with Gilks until the summer. Not heard of any more out goings but hopefully Crellin and White will potentially return to their clubs and we should be able to get one or two more out on loan, just hope Darcy isn’t one of them?
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