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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 8, 2020 11:11:08 GMT
While I find this analysis of individual responsibility for goals interesting, rtfr, I find it only sheds more light on the core problem in that Crewe had many more opportunities to score goals against us arising from the same defensive errors, as have most of our opponents this season. In this case there were many goal area blocks and clearances, but we could still have been 1-3 or 1-4 down by half time. It is virtually the same team week in and week out, and these are corporate mistakes and inefficiencies, which brings me back to the point I made some 13 hours ago. Is Ian Evatt in sticking to mostly the same team saying to some higher authority - Look, these are the best players I have, but they are just not good enough ?
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Post by andyl on Nov 8, 2020 11:46:40 GMT
What can be said is that rtf is playing a blinder this year with all the clips and stats.
I've just spent 15 mins or so looking at the League 2 player stats to which she gave us the link. Sarcevic is in the top 10 for every indicator ,offensive, defensive, assists. He is at times selective and does not appear the model of fitness and mobility, but at this level it is very deceptive. In statistical terms he is all round our best player and the only one even functioning at a level capable of getting us up the league or competitve for promotion.
After that on each indicator you have to navigate several pages before you reach a BWFC player. Kioso turns up in the 80s and Delfouneso, Delaney and Crawford in the 100-120s. Small wonder , therefore that we are not winning games, is it?
It returns us to an obvious conclusion. Neither Evatt nor the team are smart enough, fit enough or settled enough for any kind of consistency of result.. It remains to be seen whether or not they can all improve. They just might with the correct injection of youth, new recruits in January and a goalkeeper.. The basic approach is not wrong and Sarcevic is the cheerleader for it..
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Post by davidm on Nov 8, 2020 12:34:48 GMT
keep your eye on Santos....ahead of his man.. I've got this ..it's ok lads... it's ok.. Mandron..now level.... ok still got this... striker anticipates it, and slides. Santos..shall i slide and cut it out...er no..i'll just leave it !?!?! WHOOPS !!! . . we've seen this time & time again. get him on the move and he's seriously shaky. static defending..head it , block it , & aggression. all good. & we know he's very good with the ball ...generally. although... he is a bit "in his own time". press him & he can go from imperious to panicky in 2 secs. Dead right on Santos, rtf. He was a yard closer to our goal than the goalscorer when Darcy lost the ball but finished up behind him when the ball was played in. Very dozey! But the manager says " Santos has been as good a centre half as I’ve seen outside of the Championship and that’s not exaggerating - I think he’s that good." Well how come we concede a goal like that?
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 8, 2020 12:44:32 GMT
That’s all very well Andy but what’s to stop Phoenix/Evatt just replacing dross with more dross? They will still be fishing in the same pool and if they continue this clearly failing moneyball/ algorithm selection we’re just going to end up the same as we are now. At what point do FV have to be convinced that this method doesn’t work? Do we have to be relegated again before they accept reality? For me one or both of Phoenix and Evatt have to go and we return to a more tried and trusted form of recruitment. To be fair to KH, I think his restoring of local links and contacts was the right way to go and along with our existing background teams of JP, NS and DL it would surely have produced better than we have now. The naivety of Evatt’s whole set up and beliefs is beginning to grate on me. I fully accept you have to stick to your principles but you have to accept when things aren’t working and when you sometimes need to adapt or reset. That’s what learning is about and where experience pays off and my fear is that IE is lacking in both at the moment but doesn’t accept it. I think his continued resistance to dropping Crellin and others is clear evidence of it. He must be as aware of statistics as rtf is but either chooses to ignore them or isn’t as bright as we give him credit for. It’s a bit like the government on COVID who only see the stats they want to yet completely ignore the damage they are doing overall.
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Post by bonaparte on Nov 8, 2020 13:29:22 GMT
I couldn't bring myself to fork out the £10 yesterday. Glad I didn't. We bloggers seem to be past anger and into resignation. I wonder what FV is thinking. I saw IE's pre-match interview and his body language was so downbeat I could not see him motivating the squad or team. I agree with Whites, IE is blinkered (as with many of our recent managers) and does not put into action the things he says (Boris?). I think we have players who can do ok in this league, but are not well trained or managed. Andy thinks they are unfit, but I think they are demotivated and like us see IE's comments and also see no change. For weeks we all can see Crellin has lost it and cost games, even IE admitted it, but he didn't remedy the situation. Crawford is like a headless chicken, and another who should be rested, even though about 1% of his passes and runs work out. My preference, based on what I have seen so far is Gilks (unseen) as keeper with Delaney, Santos and Brockbank as a back three and Tutte sat in front to break up play and serve Darcy and Sarcevic attacking midfielders with Hickman and Miller at wing back, leaving Kioso, Delfonso and Doyle at the sharp end. Ok Brockbank is out for a while so I suppose I have to fall back on Baptiste, haven't seen Isgrove so can't comment.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 8, 2020 13:49:56 GMT
I find it really, really hard to fathom the projectile that Crellin has had. Handful of games at FC United. Spent last season making single appearances at Chorley and now finds himself undisputed number 1 at Bolton Wanderers. Dont care how far we've fallen that should just not happen.
He has more apperances for Bolton than any other club.
We is he starting his apprenticeship here? I dont think anyone can be happy at the moment. Fleetwood, us, the lad and his family and the fans and his manager who is causing to be under pressure.
We have a dead rubber against Newcastle U21s soon i'd tell Crellin he can play in that but Gilks to take up number 1 but look for the free agents until Jan.
May be pie in the sky but Al Habsi recently retired. Unfinished business here, could he do a dozen games for a bit of extra xmas spends?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2020 16:11:13 GMT
Maybe a lot of this sticking with Crellin and others is IE saying up yours these are my players and I will make them better at all cost because to be honest all said and done it’s his job on line unless he has been told don’t worry about anything you’re job is safe. Let’s just hope by January we are still in touching distance of the top half of the league than the bottom stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 8, 2020 16:19:32 GMT
I must admit to being completely perplexed by Evatt’s continued decision to play Crellin, despite what we’ve all seen. It hasn’t just been one mistake, or even two but a whole catalogue of errors that a half seasoned keeper wouldn’t make. Like you say OM, he’s had little if any first team experience and is bottom of the pile at Fleetwood. What could Evatt possibly have seen that would convince him that Crellin was anywhere near capable of regular first team football at this level and after all his basic errors and lack of improvement could lead him to be so defensive of him? Evatt can’t be stupid and I can’t believe he’s just being that stubborn either. My only conclusion therefore is that it must be contractual with Fleetwood that he must play all games and from our side, that Fleetwood pay all his wages. In normal circumstances this would suit both clubs with Crellin getting experience and Wanderers getting a freebie until he goes back. Win, win for both clubs and the player, except that it isn’t working for anyone as it stands. I shouldn’t imagine Fleetwood care about our results but surely they must be concerned about Crellin confidence and state of mind. As for Evatt, it isn’t just Crellin state of mind he needs to worry about as much as his other players. It’s tough enough scoring and not conceding but when you’re shipping goals through elementary mistakes it must be just should destroying. I think you can see by their reactions how some of the players feel every time he slips up and I can’t believe it will be long before they make those views known in public. So Evatt has to act because it can’t be allowed to continue. I’m as die hard as fans become but even I see little point continuing to support FV through iFollow, ST and lotteries if they allow this to continue and I think they will see a big reduction in take up of them all if they don’t insist on change. I voted with my feet over PRkinson and I’m fully prepared to do it again, whatever the cost to the club.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 8, 2020 16:28:23 GMT
agreed Kenglo. I was going to put something on re the overall play after IE's typical comments...along his usual lines of ..we deserved it . we beat ourselves he says. well yes..for once he had a point purely on the 2 soft goals conceded & 2 goals from 2 SHOTS ( ON TARGET ). BUT... strange double standards. when we just shade possession ..he calls it domination. yet roles reversed, and he mentions nothing of it. where did his precious principles go to ??
59% possession Crewe. shots 5 to 18 !! . that doesn't suggest we beat ourselves. having briefly seen some FA cup action on tv this aft, it'd would have been interesting to play a non-lge side . classic test of the players spirit. are they playing for the manager or not.
glad Andy is getting good use out of the stat link I posted. a surprising one is that Crawford is joint top of the assists table with 4. despite being generally below / well below par. no doubt Sarce is a class act at this level. bit baffling why he was risked with a back injury yesterday.
& to David M. yeah. Santos is basically our David Luiz. generally very good user of the ball. but unreliable defensively. now and again he'll have a blinder even defensively and you think he's 100% the complete player...but it never lasts. I think Luiz has also been used in midfield to try and get the better bits of his game into play while providing more of an insurance for the lapses. Lawro has a good line about top defenders...they are natural pessimists... they always think the worst is going to happen and they are READY ON THE COVER. i've already mentioned Santos vs Orient with the baptiste back pass. if RS reacts, good chance he deals with it. even yesterday, it doesn't take amazing powers of pessimism to expect Crellin to fluff the punch/save on the 3rd goal. Crewe players seemed ALIVE FOR IT...yet again..he's rooted. reactive ( & slow ones at that), not pro-active.
What are these people seeing (below- Incredible defender !?! ). they clearly don't watch close enough. he seems to be teflon with certain people. I said on the Mansfield thread, after Evatt named RS as one of his 3 key players..that i'd keep pointing out his defensive errors. it didn't take long did it. 1st goal conceded. the man he's marking scores the goal.
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 8, 2020 16:32:55 GMT
I still believe Evatt has given up on this team and is going through the motions. Leaving suspect players such as Crellin in helps to prove his point. Our best player, Sarcevic, after all let it be known last week that most of his colleagues aren't up to it, and surely he now regrets his move to our ranks, which again probably proves feelings that are being felt behind the scenes. Although I didn't sympathise at the time, I think I now see and understand the disappointments Keith Hill and Flitcroft experienced.
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 8, 2020 17:04:46 GMT
Agree on Flicker and KH Kenglo. Things weren’t perfect and KH did ramble in his interviews but things seemed to change immediately Phoenix came in. Clearly he started to disrupt what he and Flicker had put in place and there was obviously disagreement. KH’s outburst about things clearly confirmed that and it was never the same afterwards because the pair probably knew then that they’d be on their way out. I can only surmise the same was true for most of the players with the moneyball thing rearing it’s head. The complete clear out of back room and players, other than those tied to contracts, or considered suitable like Ali and Ronan, should have told us something. I find myself feeling sorry for Keith and Flicker because they were basically used it seems. Though I’m grateful to FV for saving the club, I find myself more and more disillusioned by their actions and failure to come forward and comment on how things are going. We’ve all questioned the tube drivers qualifications for the important role he has but unless there is major improvement in both results and performances, I fear our slide may not yet be over. I have a good friend who is a Notts County fan and he couldn’t see them slipping as they did because you just don’t want to believe it, so there’s no reason why we can’t join them next season if something doesn’t change quickly.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 8, 2020 17:49:04 GMT
Not just the howlers with BC. Its the absolute basics hes getting wrong. When he signed my thoughts were he would be reserve keeper.
When he was starting i thought we must have landed the next Gordon Banks.
I know that the fans forums and social media will always be tinged with negativity. If we win 20 comments, if we lose badly its 200. If Boris allowed me I bet i could knock door to door in Bolton and not find a Bolton fan who would play crellin again this season. Until I knock on Evatts door.
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 8, 2020 20:52:59 GMT
rtfr - I am finding it frustrating to continue commenting on this site, as a log-in used to last much longer than it does now, and one used to get an alert when there was a response to a post. Thus four hours after my last I am newly logged-in again - only to say that it now seems clear to me that Evatt is dissociating himself from the Phoenix and is trying to tell us something. We must accept the same kind of thing, including the unfortunate Crellin, for all the world to see v Salford on Friday evening. Playing thsee same players as a team together I believe there is no hope of the kind of performance that your analysis seeks to prove in pinpointing players letting the side and us down and seeking improvement. They are all in it together so far as Evatt is concerned. Otherwise he would have tried Alexander, Riley, Senior, or Graham. There has to be a reason why he has not. A manager, even one professing to introduce a certain style of play like he has, does not fail to try other methods and players when things are not going well .Some probing journalism from the BN is necessary. Somewhere along the way Ian Evatt feels extremely let down in my opinion.
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