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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 7, 2020 17:10:38 GMT
Surely if any further proof of how much a total liability Crellin is to this team, today exemplifies it perfectly. Crewe’s second just completely knocked the stuffing out of us and his lame attempt for the third was just unbelievable. That must be his last game for Wanderers, send him back first thing Monday because if Evatt remotely believes that Alexander isn’t better than that clown, I don’t know what he’s looking at. Continuing to play him will only destroy what little confidence the kid had anyway and is surely not helping the defence. Santos and Delaney were brilliant today but let down once again by a child between the posts. Evatt’s going to destroy his own credibility if he doesn’t act now. No need to comment on it because this time actions have to speak louder than words.
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Post by davidm on Nov 7, 2020 17:13:36 GMT
Completely outplayed. The 2-3 scoreline flattered us
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Post by westandlower on Nov 7, 2020 17:15:03 GMT
Cannot play Crellin in the next game surely. Evatt has to play Gilks, even if he is only half fit. He might not be at peak physical fitness but he has experience and will surely also have a voice to organise the defence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 17:15:04 GMT
I must be a millionaire as I paid £10 to watch the best goalkeeper in the league playing yet another blinder of a game to help my beloved team win the fa cup. Even in my dreams that sounds beyond belief hahahaha the man is useless useless useless if IE wants us to give him a chance he needs to get shut of Crellin before Friday nights game even I wouldn’t feel comfortable with him as my goalkeeper. Come on Ian enough is enough even if it’s just to protect your job stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 7, 2020 17:22:02 GMT
Wish Evatt had as much faith in Darcy as he has in White and Crellin, who surely now has had his last chance - at least two goals gifted and woeful distribution all afternoon. We can't tackle and never have a second man in position after our first man has been passed. It is embarrassing to see opposing teams walking the ball through us. Belatedly brought on Tutte, but should have taken off one-legged Gordon after the first 10 minutes. Once again Evatt shows he doesn't know how to pick a team and when and whom to sub .What does Kioso add? These guys are playing like absolute strangers. Maybe it would help to stand Sarcevic in midfield and let him just spray passes.
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Post by davidm on Nov 7, 2020 17:34:51 GMT
I know we were playing a side from a division above but that was awful.
We were totally outplayed.
Three times we have played Crewe – all at home – and we have learned nothing from earlier meetings.
We just stood off and let them have the ball and play passes round us.
It was just a matter of time before they scored. Darcy lost the ball on the half way line and Crewe just passed through us for a simple tap in.
Darcy slightly redeemed himself when he set up Delfouneso who turned and curled a lovely equaliser into the top corner.
We somehow got to half time at 1-1 but we should have been well behind as Crewe had attack after attack.
Second half, we had 5 minutes of pressure before normal service was resumed.
White was powder puff in a non existent challenge in our box but Crellin just let the shot from an angle go through him.
Crellin then made a hash of a ball into the box which he should have cleared together with shambolic defending from the rest of the defence for the ball to finish up in the net.
Delfouneso then pulled a goal back when Kioso made his only break into the box to set up Miller who mis-kicked and the ball rolled to Delfouneso to score.
We couldn’t equalise though. Crewe just played out time, aided by us endlessly conceding stupid pointless fouls.
A wretched performance.
The manager takes blame yet again because of the goalkeeper situation.
Is our season over now?
Marks:-
Crellin - 2 This is getting monotonous! Every game, he makes mistakes. Responsible for 2 goals (and could have been more – remember the first half when he totally missed a simple cross).
As people say, the rest of the defence must be terrified every time the ball goes near him.
Kioso - 3 He has lost most of his bright attacking ideas he had when he joined us.
Gordon - 2 Awful, He had a lot of the ball in their half and managed just 1 cross into the box. Just not good enough.
Baptiste - 3 He had a nightmare first half when Crewe just ran rings round him.
Santos - 5 OK but for mass panic in the last minute when he gave the ball away and then conceded a needless free kick when we were in desperate need of possession
Delaney - 5 Steady but part of a desperately nervous defence
White - 3 Awful. He passed the ball forward just once. The rest just backwards. Responsible in part for goal 2
Sarcevic - 4 Still our driving force in midfield but a lot of his passes went astray today
Crawford - 2 Dreadful. Never covered the Crewe midfield at all who had all the time in the world to build up attacks. Usual poor quality corners.
Delfouneso - 6 Did what he had to do – put the ball in the net
Darcy - 4 At fault for first goal but then made our first goal.
Isgrove - 3 Nothing from him
Miller - 2 Awful – all I can remember from him is 2 awful passes which led to Crewe attacks
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2020 17:50:45 GMT
I know we were playing a side from a division above but that was awful. We were totally outplayed. DavidM, look at your avatar. Did any of that squad care that they were underdogs. That they had no chance at Anfield? Said pre match i will no longer criticise individuals like Crellin. For me now this falls under the umbrella of "management". Every time I try and support Evatt and argue his case he slaps a teamsheet like that which seems a slap in the face of me. If i was Alexander, Taft, Greenidge, Riley, Mascoll i'd be having strong words with Evatt. How dare you leave me out of this team and then talk about gutless players and complacency. And if i was Evatt i would be saying to Gilkes. Are you playing on Friday? No- then pack your bags because youre a poor excuse of a coach. That young keeper has made error after error and no one slags off the GK coach its always the manager. So if youre not playing youre no use and you can clear your stuff out.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 7, 2020 17:51:13 GMT
twitter.com/AntEvans88goals are available on this guys feed for anyone , like myself, who hadn't bought the game in. glad I didn't waste my money. Santos lets his man score the first. doesn't exactly help Crellin out much with the 3rd either. rooted to the spot . White apparently getting decent blame for 2nd goal. like davidm says..flattering scoreline ..2 shots on target both go in. yet again, a team comes to us with a woeful stat or 2 to get rid of....& they manage it comfy.... like London buses 3 goals come along. low possession..low shots. Evatt's win % is sinking like a stone. 13.3% 60% loss rate. played 15. won 2. lost 9. could have easily lost vs Barrow, and Mansfield...with 2 late goals rescuing points. could easily be 11 losses out of 15. Sammy Lee and Keith hill would be right in thinking they'd been harshly treated by the people who hate them but are falling over themselves in their love for project "Evatt" i'm not talking about anyone on here BTW, but there are certain degrees to it. sammy lee. win % 21.4% played 14. won 3. lost 7. 50% loss rate en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sammy_Lee_(footballer)#Managerial_statisticskeith hill. 18.2% win %. played 33. won 6. lost 16. 48% loss % en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keith_Hill_(footballer)#Managerial_statisticsKH & LSL didn't get the top striker in the league, and another top player (Sarce that made the lge 2 team of the year, ) gift-wrapped for them either. KH had to sign the dregs that were left...& just one day to do it... now those ARE mitigating factors !!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 7, 2020 18:41:26 GMT
I know we were playing a side from a division above but that was awful. Every time I try and support Evatt and argue his case he slaps a teamsheet like that which seems a slap in the face of me. If i was Alexander, Taft, Greenidge, Riley, Mascoll i'd be having strong words with Evatt. How dare you leave me out of this team and then talk about gutless players and complacency. 100% agree OM. was expecting 2 or 3 to be given the chance. but yet again he shoots himself in the foot. Delf did well..scored 2. but why risk him. goes ultra careful with Isgrove..after initially not being careful ( go figure that one ! ) . but happy to risk Delf...same as he risked him in previous game. would have liked to see Hickman today...get him back into the fold. put pressure on Kioso who's been below par for last couple. baffling. seriously ..just given up with this guy. get the small decisions right NOW to show you deserve more time. but he doesn't. more time just means prolonging the agony for me.
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Post by andyl on Nov 7, 2020 19:07:11 GMT
Well so much criticism of Evatt for not having a keeper on the bench has missed its target. The greater problem has been not having one on the field!! It was difficult not to recall that early awful game of Jussi's against Crewe- can't recall the name of the player who scored the two goals- with his son, our ex player on the field. I have remarked before that both he and Jake Turner are playing in Div 1. What could we do with either now.. It is obvious that Crellin must now have played his last game. Hopeless on two goals today but also an embarrassment kicking and continually playing Santos into difficulty after beginning with a trademark couple of aerial misjudgments, both of which could easily have led to goals. As to whether Gilos steps up, Alexander gets a go or they identify an out of contract keeper it doesn't really matter. It's a shame for a young keeper but somehow I suspect that this one will not atone through a career as memorably as Jussi did.
We were completely outplayed during the first half, looking ponderous, unfit, slow to the ball and missing pass after pass. Gordon, once hailed as quick looked sluggish, nervous, unambitious and rendered us to being a ten man team. Crawford too, game after game frustrates. He just disappoints time after time and just as despair creeps in does something good. But what I dislike most is that he is a selective back tackler and runner. Praised by Evatt for his work rate recently his stats wil be very misleading. He runs about all over the place when it suits him but often leaves his man or stands still. He was far from blameless when Darcy caught in possession gave rise to the breakaway for their first. He does do good things but for me is not in the same class as Darcy who did fade a bit but was once again taken off patronisingly. Darcy remains our best player potentially and Delfouneso's excellent equaliser was all down tom his persistence on and off the ball in the build up. It's maazing that they let Crawford take the corners when he is so much more able.
The commentator got it into his head that long balls, playing in their half, seeking second balls, taking no risks is a formula for success. I don't agree. I'm all for keepers playing it from the back via splitting centre halves or to receiving midfielders. For years even in the Sam era but pretty much non-stop since we have aimlessly hoofed balls forward. If you have SKD, then maybe some of the time. But Delfouneso and Doyle. I think not. This is clearly why Crellin has been coached to hit goalkicks left and right and with Kioso and Brockbank, even Gordon we have enjoyed some suceess. The problem here is that our defenders and midfielders and Crellin himself are just not good enough or quick enough to get away with possession at the back or being asked to pinpoint kicks. As a result oppositions all know to press us and the risk becomes unacceptable.
I'm actually on the side of the argument whitessince63 has offered namely that the passing could be such much less stultifying than in the Parky era and there was some evidence in the first ten minutes of the second half and a patch after they went 1-3 up of really good play. Sarcevic is another selective runner and he made some poor passes today but he is at least strong in possession and he does hit good passes too. When he's good we look good. There is something good when he links with Darcy. Kioso was very in and out today but at least he persisted.
I think there were some bright spots today in and amongst the bad. There was some good brave tackling and last ditch defending, especially from White and Delaney. Baptiste going forward added a dimension. When Jones returns he will offer more on the right so that could be a positive flank. I liked what I saw of Isgrove and his clever surprise pass led indirectly to our 2nd via Miller's scuffed shot and Delfouneso's opportunism. Miller is mobile and competitive and makes us more direct. Santos until a moment of dire complacency at the end for the most part bossed a dangerous opponent and led some counter attacks. White is a frustrating player, all too often negative but he did some good work today and may be an asset if ever he gets fit
So although tactically, in terms of player management and selection, substitutions, tact and body language Evatt is at times to managers as Crellin is to goalkeepers nevertheless there are nuggets suggestive of better prospects ahead someday, especailly i four crowd can sometime get to lift them.
But to end where I started, with Delfouneso's excellent goals today we should and would have won that even acknowledging they were the better side, if only we had even a half decent keeper. That we haven't means that we have been dumped out of the cup at the first time of asking and are at least five points worse off in the league than we might have been. His errors sap morale and lead to goals. It cannot go on. If this game has served any purpose it will have been to draw a line in the sand. Crellin is after all not even ours.
Crellin 0 Baptiste 6 Santos 7 Delaney 6 Gordon 2 White 5 Kioso 5 Darcy 6 Crawford 3 Delfouneso 7 Sarcevic 4 Miller 4 Isgrove 5
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2020 19:08:41 GMT
I see Mansfield beat Sunderland at roker Park 1-0 I know that Nigel Clough might not have had much input but just saying he would have been my choice from the start . I just wish he would stop being so fxcking stubborn stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 7, 2020 19:44:43 GMT
What I don’t get about managers, not just IE but KH, Freedman and especially Parkinson is how they continually played players who let them down without giving others a chance. The likes of White, Comley, Gordon and Baptiste have underperformed regularly and are dropped for the next game but then get picked for the next match whilst others like Greenidge, Taft, Hickman and even Darcy are left on one side, not to mention some of our younger players like Senior, Riley and Graham who might make a difference. Even trying players in different formations seems beyond them. Santos to the Campo role, Kioso in the middle instead of out on the wing. If somethings not working with how you set up, change it. Sticking stubbornly to your beliefs and losing every week because the players aren’t up to it just seems crazy, yet managers continually do it. Without doubt though, the most telling mistake is continuing with Crellin who surely must now have confirmed he just isn’t ready for this level of football. I feel genuinely sorry for the lad, week after week costing the team goals, yet Evatt keeps hanging him out to dry. He can’t play again and should be thanked and sent back to Fleetwood and frankly, Gilks should be sent with him because he’s clearly not up to the job he’s being paid for. I’ve been solidly behind IE up to now and still am as long as he realises his mistakes and actually does something about them. Time to act Ian because words aren’t going to cut it now.
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Post by kenglowhite on Nov 7, 2020 20:23:21 GMT
Maybe we should look at all that's not happening in a double-think kind of way, namely that Ian Evatt continues to play most of this team in order to prove that he has been lumbered with the wrong playing staff.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 7, 2020 21:32:57 GMT
just looking at this 1st goal conceded again. didn't see the bit Darcy loses the ball. but what an awful defensive set up. just typical Evatt. centre backs virtually on half way line no doubt before this. Gordon is so AWOL he never even gets back in the frame of view once. just get defenders defending, and forwards attacking. do your job. why is it left to Crawford in the left back area. hardly his strength. attacking is hardly Gordons strength. but then again we are still waiting to find out what he actually does best. left centre back Delaney is 10 yds+ behind. why,..'cos he's so useful upfield with all those dribbles and creative passes he keeps doing, & goals he keep scoring. !? keep your eye on Santos....ahead of his man.. I've got this ..it's ok lads... it's ok.. Mandron..now level.... ok still got this... striker anticipates it, and slides. Santos..shall i slide and cut it out...er no..i'll just leave it !?!?! WHOOPS !!! . . we've seen this time & time again. get him on the move and he's seriously shaky. static defending..head it , block it , & aggression. all good. & we know he's very good with the ball ...generally. although... he is a bit "in his own time". press him & he can go from imperious to panicky in 2 secs. bored of mentioning Campo role now. just generally get as many doing what they do best. you can bet your life Crellin got bought because he had high pass %. I think he still has. worst saves ratio. best pass success ..i'll check.. www.whoscored.com/Regions/252/Tournaments/9/Seasons/8306/Stages/18827/PlayerStatistics/England-League-Two-2020-2021stats are here. can't be bothered to copy across. 335 players in lge 2. click on pass success % PS % . CLick last. then work back by clicking previous...all bottom of list are pretty much keepers. worst has 27.9% pass success. carlisle. carlisle are in 5th in real table. Crellin is 232nd 65.4% ps%. Pep Evatt will be having a wet dream over that. delighted. bit like when Pep binned Joe Hart off. not because he was a bad keeper. but he didn't like his passing skills. the next highest in the list I can see is Mcgee of FGR 62.6, then Vigouroux of Orient. 301 in rankings ( all players- not just keepers) 55.4% . the bulk of the keepers hit the list around the 322 rank. 46% pass accuracy or less. Is Crellin actually any good with his feet. half of these passes seem to be 5 yard passes when RC drops back to the 6 yd line. any idiot could make them. I don't know about others on here, but most games we've seen on Ifollow the opponents haven't been hoofing it long. most have played a reasonable amount of football.we seem to go to extremes...BSA, Parky. now this. Hill supposedly had a good reputation but we never really saw that. at least he had mitigation from tight budgets and having to sign all his players in 1 day...the dregs left that no other lge 1 club wanted. I feel the theory is getting in the way, way too much. that is changeable but he's too stubborn. it can be tweaked. make it evolve more..bring it in more graduallly. evolution, not revolution. these are choices. he now says it'll take longer than expected. BSA evolved his style more than some of his critics in the media would admit..... introduced more class players..jay jay, anelka, diouf campo, etc but he earned that money by staying up. he earned that time. I like to see managers get the most out of what they've got. be creative.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Nov 7, 2020 23:04:29 GMT
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