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Post by kenglowhite on Oct 10, 2020 16:20:48 GMT
No sound but some pop for at least 15 minutes in second half, and no apology. Wish Bolton FM would cut out some of the family favourite messages and sponsordhip requests and concentrate on the football commentary.
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Post by andyl on Oct 10, 2020 16:21:07 GMT
What an awful game. It's not that we were ever in danger of defeat until Baptiste came on but we never looked remotely likely scoring or even wanting to? Midfield was pedestrian at all times and there were far too many backward passes compounded at the end when Comley came on who needs three hundred and sixty degree turns to avoid passing square or back.
My biggest concern three weeks running is that we play Delfouneso and Doyle together and neither has any capacity in the air if challenged. This was really well illustrated when Gordon came on and won the successive headers on the left flank and showed what was possible against them. This pairing must be broken. It wasn't much good at Harrogate actually but at least they scored. Today everything foundered because of it. If Delfouneso go the ball it went back, if Doyle it was given away.
The I follow Bolton fm commentary team were cooing about Jak Hickman early on and he was certainly getting into positions to cross but every single cross went long or short and anyway our forwards don't head- he had also let two out of play early on.
Were there any bright spots. Yes. I thought Santos was excellent. Even the foul at the end was better made than not. I just wish he'd roam forward more. Delaney was solid enough and Brockbank was perfectly sound at the back and if our of position later did OK, swinging the games three best crossfield balls. Gordon showed how to offer width and offered more threat in 15 minutes than all that preceded. I like Mascoll's control, calm and forward movement Crawford had a lot of the ball and seriously disappointed. He only tried one penetrative pass just cut out. he hit one goodish freee kick, the nearest we came to scoring and took some good corners, one well defended against Delaney who mat least went for it in contrast to a number of non serious attempts . Tutte was tidy and kept possession but is too one paced to carry the ball too far forward even though he tried.
Sarcevic is just too slow and non-involved. He did tackle well at times and he's by far our best passer of a ball, so if we penetrate at all it generally flows from him.
I don't get the Evatt approach, I'm afraid. We seemed to get more and more defensive with our substitutions and play and even more on the back foot. In the end they finished strongest as a result. Just maybe with a crowd behind these players would offer more. It's strange just now and I doubt my howls at the computer were any too effective nor any of yours. But it was all so flat. Ponderous play was punctuated by injuries (and unconvincing ones at that) and it didn't help that Crellin twice or maybe three times just kicked balls out of play.
I simply don't get how the Darcy of last year doesn't stroll into this team. Politic is a huge loss to this team not least because he shoots but Darcy was the better of the two. I greatly fear that the Phoenix planning is designed to return us to the ashes from whence we came and not to rise.
Crellin 5 Brockbank 6 Santos 9 Delaney 6 Hickman 4 Sarcevic 5 Crawford 4 Tutte 6 Delfouneso 2 Doyle 4 Mascoll 7 Baptiste 3 ( all three for nearly scoring- playing and appealing for offside when two yards behind his man deducted 2, Gordon 6 ( promising) Comley 1 ( ye gods)
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Post by davidm on Oct 10, 2020 16:23:15 GMT
That was absolutely shocking
The standard of passing is appalling – there is little or no ball control in the side.
Defensively, we were OK – not great as Grimsby went close too many times.
Midfield – yet again I think they are terrible. The focus is on playing backwards at a slow pace so even if we eventually get forward the opposition have a packed defence.
Attackwise, we are non-existent. Doyle is often the only player in the box when we attack. Delfouneso is much too deep and well behind the attack and the 2 wing backs never get in the box. Hickman put some decent crosses in but there was no-one there to react to them. Delfouneso, Sarcevic, Crawford, Mascoll should all be looking to get to the ball coming in
For the first time this season, I am questioning the manager’s approach to games. Yes, we had 60% possession but most of that was in our own half. We play at home and have 0 shots on target – shocking!
Marks:-
Crellin - 5 Not much to do but his kicking was awful – straight out of play most times.
Hickman - 6 Looked our only attacking hope in the first half – strangely subbed in the second
Mascoll - 4 Just anonymous
Brockbank - 6 Defensively OK but he is not a right wing back which is were he went when Baptiste came on
Santos -6 Again, a decent performance
Delaney -5 Defensively OK but too many fouls
Tutte - 4 Struggled to dominate the game
Sarcevic - 4 Likewise, just couldn’t run the midfield
Crawford - 4 Do we play Crawford just for free kicks and corners because he can’t pass the ball
Delfouneso - 3 Just not in the game. Still played much too deep
Doyle - 3 No service yet again but when he got the ball he really messed up possession
Comlyn - 3 Too negative for playing at home. His first pass nearly set Grimsby up and most passes were backwards
Baptiste - 4 Didn’t see the need to bring him on. Got caught with a high bouncing ball that could have cost us
Gordon A couple of crosses into the box but no danger
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 10, 2020 16:31:36 GMT
Well i got my prediction right with a draw. the more optimistic types must be gutted. my hopes didn't have as far to fall .
wonder if Evatt will come out with his usual..that we deserved to win that one..lol. i think he will.
Grimsby certainly weren't as rusty as i thought they would be.
first half....best chances for us were Crawfords 2 free kicks 1 missed right..2nd missed narrowly to the left. don't forget our 1st goal last week was from a set piece. 5 games in. 4 games failed to score in.. 1 goal from open play !! hard to score when you don't have any shots on target too.
at least we got our first clean sheet. although it is against a team which had yet to score in it's previous 2 games.
"feed the Doyle and he will score"...... well he'll bloody starve at this rate ! .
as soon as i heard Holloway was in charge of Grimsby i felt they had more of a chance. don't know why a decent experienced manager like him is having to ply his trade in Lge 2.
2nd half. hardly any chances for us. 1 shot from Baptiste from a corner just wide. another set piece note !
truly awful last 2 subs.... you're hoping for Darcy, or Riley or Gnahoua... he throws on Gordon & Comley ...how were they ever gonna create anything ??
as others have said, only bonus for him is that his subs & the result didn't get booed .
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 10, 2020 16:35:27 GMT
A completely inept performance, from a tactically clueless manager which yielded the result we pretty much expected. Hardly a coupon buster🤔🤔🤔
I do believe there’s enough quality in the players we have, it’s just this Ian Evatt that appears to be ruining it Just my opinion. Maybe he should study how Morecambe are top of the league, or perhaps how his old side Barrow manage to score at home!!!!
Poor poor game, poor poor manager
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 10, 2020 16:39:24 GMT
Well done for even being able to make comments on that tripe guys. I agree with all that but I’m just speechless that Evatt can either not see, or doesn’t want to see what everybody else does. We are just too slow all over the pitch, our passing is dreadful and once passed the player just strolls away instead of making space and prompting for a return leaving the ball carrier to turn back or pass across field. Ball control is abysmal, as is our crossing but then in fairness there’s nobody to cross to. What Evatt is seeing in Sarcevic, Comley and Delfouneso, I just don’t know, they have not yet produced one even average performance. Riley at 17 looked more assured and skilful against Shrewsbury than any of them and surely Ronan must be seething under the skin seeing these performances week after week and being ignored. Definitely the fault of the manager that result and the sooner he accepts that this team isn’t Barcelona, the sooner we can get to playing proper L2 football. It’s essential that before the window closes we bring in a big man up front who can impact defenders and create opportunities for others but whatever Evatt does they must be far better than the numpties he’s saddled us with so far.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 10, 2020 16:57:17 GMT
We could have used that much needed £250,000 that FV wasted on brining an unproven non league manager and his useless sidekick to BWFC by paying DL TK and Jimmy Phillips salary for the next 2 seasons AND witnessed a more attacking exciting brand of football instead of this terrible tripe IE has brought to the ReeMac
I even doubt if he has enough about him to get us to 15th in the table come end of season as one things for sure, Nil Nil’s v a very poor Grimsby will only serve to relegate us if we’re not careful
I knew that Harrogate result was a fluke albeit some die hards might argue that 4 points from the last 2 games is a real positive 🤔🤔
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 10, 2020 17:12:28 GMT
We could have used that much needed £250,000 that FV wasted on brining an unproven non league manager and his useless sidekick to BWFC by paying DL TK and Jimmy Phillips salary for the next 2 seasons AND witnessed a more attacking exciting brand of football instead of this terrible tripe IE has brought to the ReeMac I even doubt if he has enough about him to get us to 15th in the table come end of season as one things for sure, Nil Nil’s v a very poor Grimsby will only serve to relegate us if we’re not careful I knew that Harrogate result was a fluke albeit some die hards might argue that 4 points from the last 2 games is a real positive 🤔🤔 I fully agree with you about DL, TK and JP rftr, my preference all along was DL but that’s water under the bridge now and we have to accept IE is here for the duration. I’ve no problem with that as long as he calls out the players underperforming week in week out like Sarcevic, Comley, Baptiste and Delfouneso. I don’t mean in public but in the dressing room behind closed doors and certainly he must have the courage to drop them for their poor showings. When you look at it, the only successes this season have been Delaney, Brockbank, Senior and Riley, none signed by Evatt although in the last two games you must include Santos, who backed by Brocky and Delaney has looked a different player. Evatt now has one last chance to recruit the players in the window who can make a difference but if he just brings in yet more dross, as I expect him and Phoenix to, I really do fear for us.
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Post by kenglowhite on Oct 10, 2020 19:02:40 GMT
It's obvious to me that the best players at his disposal are the ones that were he when he arrived, namely Brockbank, Politic, Darcy, Riley, Senio and Alexander and one or two others....small wonder that the guys who have brought them on at our academy have disappeared from sight. If he was up to the job at the start of the season he would have seen that his best side was a combination of these players plus some of his imports. The team is getting closer to that sort of composition, but Ian has so far missed the opportunity to bring in the players to fill the holes, namely a central defensive midfield organiser and a holding central striker. sarcevic is neither one thing or the other is easily outshone by Tutte, and Delfouneso, who should be the big striker, is dribbling on the wing, where Gnahoue would be much better. I also feel Crawford, who should be a supplementary striker is weak in possession. Bringing on Baptiste today was a serial error, while the runs of Gordon are wasted as he can only cross with one foot and gets blocked too easily. In a nutshell it is up to IE to realise he has much of the talent necessary for a successful season, but he needs to use it better and it means integrating more of our own youngsters into his thinking. Pretty-pretty is OK but through balls as the opposition have used against us on the breaks in these opening games on the break, not necessarily hoofball, must come into the equation.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 19:27:42 GMT
this team isn’t Barcelona, the sooner we can get to playing proper L2 football. It’s essential that before the window closes we bring in a big man up front who can impact defenders and create opportunities Do you mean Parky style? I see a player that could have helped us is at Blackpool, Madine... love him, or hate him he's a hard man and I think that's what we need.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 10, 2020 19:54:21 GMT
deary me, tone it down son. I know he can hardly be as honest as we can ( Sharon Brittan's son), but that sounds more like a superagent- Lee Anderson tweet. brief reminder of some of the comments we've had on here today : AndyL- awful game davidm- absolutely shocking rioch = inept ws63 : tripe. toby brittan = some great stuff couple of other points : WS63 made a good point in matchday 1 ( or 2) about poor quality movement. & made it again above. keep meaning to add that one in my own match reports , as its absolutely bang on. at times, you could see Grimsby were hunting in packs both defensively and attacking together ..supporting the man on the ball. we often looked isolated. you never have the chance to get some neat inter-play going..suck an opponent in create over-loads..... play a 1-2 on edge of box etc. you need a true winger to open things up. yes we're missing Politic. but we have Gnahoua... according to his profile below... his dribbling skills are " very strong". www.whoscored.com/Players/138713/Show/Arthur-Gnahouai'm definitely closer to Davidm's 6 for Santos than Andy's L's 9 . he was good at his usual stuff..passing and 1 mini surge forward. against an attack which hasn't scored a lge goal in 3 games, I don't feel he got tested defensively . at times he was building attacks as the deepest man back. i'd much rather he pushed forward into m/f and let the other 2 cb's be behind him focussing on defending, so each can focus at what their best at.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 10, 2020 20:03:32 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Oct 10, 2020 20:27:45 GMT
I'm more worried than I was when we were getting beat. Thought that was teething problems, nerves and pressure of being at a club like Bolton when previously been much lower.
I guess you could flip it and say 4 points in 2 games shows improvement. First clean sheet and looking better defensively.
But that doesnt wash with the fans. This set up is a far cry than what Evatt talked about. Doyle 20+ goals, Sarcevic 10+ goals, playing pressing football. Win it back, playing at a frantic pace.
Worst today is he 3 substitutions. How can Darcy not get 30mins? Why not ten for the young striker?
How in a home match at 0-0 against bottom of the league who havent played in two weeks. How can we change both full backs as priority.
I'm glad Evatt won so that people cant keep using those stats about worst start to a season, no managers lost this and that, etc but bloody hell Evatt. Lot of answers needed.
Recruitment poor of Isgrove, Miller, Gnanhoua, these look complete panic buys. How can they get it first game then banished?
Last week no sub keeper as all players trained too well. Same again this week. So is Matt Alexander smoking behind the bike sheds?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 20:49:02 GMT
rtf, I know that style of play, good that you brought it up. It's in one of my old FA coaching books from way back. Kevin Keegan, as a player, features in the book. We tried that when I was playing and when I was coaching. As well as technique, it's very stamina sapping. I don't think we have the fitness for that kind of game, or the technique I really don't. It's too fast paced for this lot, they'd get caught out defensively. It is though, as you point out, an exciting way to play if you have the players. Do we?
In response to Oom on recruitment. agreed. It doesn't make sense.
No goalkeeper on the bench, it doesn't make sense.
Matt must be on his way out.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 10, 2020 21:09:51 GMT
this team isn’t Barcelona, the sooner we can get to playing proper L2 football. It’s essential that before the window closes we bring in a big man up front who can impact defenders and create opportunities Do you mean Parky style? I see a player that could have helped us is at Blackpool, Madine... love him, or hate him he's a hard man and I think that's what we need. I absolutely agree with you wots, Madine would be perfect. I never had a problem with the washing machine if Parkinson had supported him with players to play off him as Sam did with SKD. Parky had him up there on his own so all his work was wasted and let’s be honest, like Super Kev, he was never going to be a top goal scorer on his own. Now put Alf next to him and it would have been a completely different scenario I’m certain. Neither Doyle or Delfouneso are target men so we have no options to change it up or rough up the opposition defence. IE complained about Hickman crossing but there was nobody in the box to get on the end of them so it was just aimless crossing. If he had a specific target to aim at I’m sure it would help and the same from the left. There’s a chance for Evatt to bring a target man in before the window closes and I really hope he does.
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