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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 0:55:00 GMT
I doubt rtf that even 433 will work, when fitness is questionable. Add that to poor passing, poor marking and ball watching.
Evatt knows what he wants his players to do in his system, but in my last post it seems he's thrown out plan A and plan B is give me 100% desire and commitment, work their nuts off. based on that philosophy we could all get onto the next team sheet. Well, most.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 27, 2020 7:10:13 GMT
I don’t think it means he will completely throw his system away wots but I do agree with rtf about getting more through balls, which were not doing at the moment, mainly because of our ponderous midfield. I also fully agree with Kenglo, something I’ve said about previous managers too. One quality player costs no more than two poor ones, yet IE has loaded us up with no marks and hopefuls rather than bring in a smaller number of good players for this level. He did that early on with Doyle, Sarcevic and Delfouneso but since then has just brought in journeymen who are frankly no better than our own young players like Senior, Darcy and Alexander. Alexander I could maybe understand but surely as the keeper is such an essential position, an experienced head to add to him would have been wiser? We can all be manager and see solutions but it’s down to IE and unless he has players who can actually play the way he wants them too it’s bound to fail. Hopefully he can make something of it but not for me unless he makes substantial changes to his own methods and thinking.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 27, 2020 8:13:35 GMT
In fairness to Evatt seen his post match interview and he doesnt try and con people into thinking we were any good.
Knows that the heart, will and effort was not there today.
Good thing is for every problem there does seem to be solutions. We have competition for places and we need to start seeing that.
Evatt could have done a Rafa and claimed the job is so tough, the squad is so weak it would be a miracle to survive but he didnt he told us we had signed 17 diamonds. No wonder the fans expect more.
Ian Evatt has these players monday to friday. Unless hes part of a betting scam i cant see why he wouldnt pick the eleven players that look the best. That make us win and make him look like hes a good manager. But whats clear now is that the match day experience is not being replicated on the training pitch and Evatt needs to change a lot. Players, system, mentality, attitude. It all needs changing and fast.
Think if we play Barrow next week, Barrow win and Evatt didnt come from Barrow to be inferior. It wasnt a sideways step it was a leap up and that really needs reflecting.
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 27, 2020 9:31:09 GMT
rtf makes a very interesting point about through balls. I don't think they are possible unless more of our team hang back and wait for the opposition to come on to us. Like schoolboys in the playground our team attacks en masse with the whole opposing defence already in position, so there is no hope of a player running into space down the wing and putting in a successful cr0ss either. And, of course that is why we are so open to opposition through balls. Our whole team is stranded upfield. Such naivete! But I have little doubt a really first class midfield defensive organiser - not I hope Sancho, but someone like the late lamented Bridcutt - would make such a difference. It is amazing that Ian Evatt has not realised that.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 27, 2020 11:10:54 GMT
I’m just wondering whether IE has any teeth??
I mean, in one breath he’s saying there’s no more signings coming in and then one day later, on match day, we are dumped with 2 more pointless cast offs, one most notably coming from Macclesfield (no surprises there then eh Mr Phoenix??)
So has IE been dealt a raw deal with TP’s recruiting or does he at least get any shout on incoming players?
Also, I don’t mean to be disrespectful to these teams but when the mighty ‘NAT LOFTHOUSES BOLTON WANDERERS FC’ are trailing the likes of Salford, Crawley, Newport, FGR, Cheltenham, Stevenage and also the mighty Barrowcelona, then we know we are heading for extinction. The only saving grace is knowing Trashmere are down there with us...
I am going to sound doom and gloom here and I make no apologies but don’t be surprised if BWFC are one of those teams mentioned by Rick Parry that will soon go out of business as this FV set up are giving little indication that they have sustainable means to keep us afloat whilst we await BoJo’s decision on letting supporters back in.
They’ve done ok so far but clearly (optimism has waned now) I don’t get IE and his formations (rapidly dropped his 3 at the back system) and surely our Chairwoman can recognise that he’s simply not going to do it for us. Sometimes you have to just realise you’ve made a complete error and get rid
Cannot believe we have the Golden Boot of L2 in our front line with 27 goals last season and he can’t even get a sniff at goal so that surely has to be down to IE and his tactics
Think someone needs to register AFC Bolton Wanderers before we lose our identity forever😢😢😢😢
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Post by andyl on Sept 27, 2020 11:24:40 GMT
One marked difference with other managers is that most of our recent managers came in with some experience and success behind them and their starts were cautiously encouraging. They then tailed off, sometimes incredibly rapidly. Evatt is obviously all over the place just now and pre-set ideas and ways of playing have foundered in double quick time. We must hope that his trajectory is the reverse of all bar Big Sam really. Big Sam had an inauspicious start before going from strength to strength. If Evatt can figure it out there is enough on view to suggest a team could be fashioned.As all rtf's stats and Ooom's post also indicate all is not yet lost. But unless we get that defence sorted we won't win many even at this level.
Watching this Newport took me back to the last time I saw them at Burnden Park. We won. They had the late Mark Kendall in goal and I remember he let a soft shot slip out of his control to be converted by one of our players. I remember thinking then that such an error had been very very rare at Burnden...But Crellin surely matched it yesterday, arguably twice but particularly on the 2nd. Let's hope we don't follow Newport's onward decline from that 1980s point.
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Post by OohMac on Sept 27, 2020 15:02:19 GMT
Agree Andy. Said before all our managers from Coyle, started well then faded and some fast.
I was convinced Leicester had completely dropped the ball by letting us keep Lennon and going for tinkerman Ranieri.
If evatt could press reset whether he would hype these players up as much. Made the imports sound like we'd have a team of Van Dijks and De Bruynes. Dick Van Dykes maybe.
Might be my memory but remember our best players all having iffy starts. Jussi - wasnt he nicknamed the flapping Finn for his first season. Remember clearly losing a game against Sunderland and thinking we'll never achieve anything with him between the sticks.
Bergson- made his debut for us on 1995 and i'd say played his best football in 2000 to 2003. Looked pretty dodgy for the first season or two. No right back.
Anelka- think we all probably think Super John might go down as our best striker since Nat but really stick john in the French world cup side and he'd stand out like a sore thumb(hes not French for kick off) Anelka is undoubtedly our best talent weve had and until Arsenal he looked anonymous and some were questioning the price tag.
The very best in the world often take a while to get used to new surroundings, some never adapt. So to get 19 new faces and shout Ready, Steady, Go win the league is just too much.
I was half expecting these results having seen Barrow slow start. Convinced we will turn it around and think next 2 games we pick up 4 points mininum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2020 15:53:30 GMT
I’ve just finished watching Bundesliga football and there government has allowed fan’s back into stadiums admittedly not a lot but surely policed properly with distancing I’m sure we could get all our season ticket holders in to watch our home games. I don’t understand a lot of things that Boris comes out with but this one baffles me. You can cram up to 250 or more people onto a ✈️ but you can’t have people out in the open watching football don’t get it. Stay safe one and all COYWM
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Post by andyl on Sept 27, 2020 18:11:30 GMT
Agree Andy. Said before all our managers from Coyle, started well then faded and some fast. I was convinced Leicester had completely dropped the ball by letting us keep Lennon and going for tinkerman Ranieri. If evatt could press reset whether he would hype these players up as much. Made the imports sound like we'd have a team of Van Dijks and De Bruynes. Dick Van Dykes maybe. Might be my memory but remember our best players all having iffy starts. Jussi - wasnt he nicknamed the flapping Finn for his first season. Remember clearly losing a game against Sunderland and thinking we'll never achieve anything with him between the sticks. Bergson- made his debut for us on 1995 and i'd say played his best football in 2000 to 2003. Looked pretty dodgy for the first season or two. No right back. Anelka- think we all probably think Super John might go down as our best striker since Nat but really stick john in the French world cup side and he'd stand out like a sore thumb(hes not French for kick off) Anelka is undoubtedly our best talent weve had and until Arsenal he looked anonymous and some were questioning the price tag. The very best in the world often take a while to get used to new surroundings, some never adapt. So to get 19 new faces and shout Ready, Steady, Go win the league is just too much. I was half expecting these results having seen Barrow slow start. Convinced we will turn it around and think next 2 games we pick up 4 points mininum. Yes, Fredi Bobic who won us over v Ipswich and Elmander made whatever name he left at Wolves. Both did very little for quite a long time. Hierro was even put on the transfer list and Campo was an awful centre half. Even Okocha took a while to settle. Fabien de Freitas is remembered for the one Reading final and we could all add many to the list. Everyone needs time. Evatt's story has many chapters left. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 27, 2020 21:35:27 GMT
Andy, you can hardly compare Santos, Greenidge and Taft with Ivan and Hierro. I know you’re not directly doing that but the situations are not the same. That said, Sam scored a bulls eye relocating them in front of the back four where they were different class but I’m not sure IE has the same ability or experience to do that. Like you though I do think it’s too early to judge him at the moment because he’s finding out about his players as much as we are. I think yesterday’s game gave him much food for thought and I expect to see a significantly changed side next weekend.
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Post by andyl on Sept 28, 2020 7:16:15 GMT
Actually I think Cid , Diawara and Kernaghan compared quite well to what I've seen of Santos defensively!
Santos is ok in the air, surges forward well but because his passing is poor and positional sense nil I doubt he could make the transition. He certainly can't stay at the back. Not sure whether he's just slow and unaware or one paced and disinclined.
Take him out and we probably have a point at Colchester and maybe even at Newport. I agreed with the ifollow commentator who urged his departure even after we had made our 3 subs. He looked shell shocked
Taft in contrast was okish as to be fair was Baptiste if with known limitations
I haven't seen Delaney and Brockbank tackles questionably but you would think they will soin appear. Is Edwards unfit again?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 28, 2020 9:40:20 GMT
I’ve pencilled in the 20th October 2020 as Evatt’s very last chance for redemption as I cannot see us winning another game, possibly, until then......
That date is the first ever league meeting of Barrow and Bolton Wanderers and it has to be said, if Evatt cannot get a win versus a team which he practically assembled then he’s definitely NOT the manager for BWFC and definitely NOT a league manager and has to go. I know we face Harrogate Town beforehand but I doubt we’ll get any sort of result there!!
Sorry, but this game has no room for sentiment and as much as he talks a brilliant game and I like him and his mannerisms, talk is cheap and my pre season positivity has crashed so much so that we’ve not managed a single goal in the league and don’t look likely to either
Time for change after that Barrow game methinks but that might mean 3 more defeats before that game😬😬😬
Let’s wait and see eh?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 28, 2020 9:58:10 GMT
" Andy, you can hardly compare Santos, Greenidge and Taft with Ivan and Hierro. I know you’re not directly doing that but the situations are not the same"totally agree Whites. comparing World stars who were clearly good enough, and maybe needed time to settle is not the same as people who "may" not be good enough. the more time you give people who aren't up to the job..the deeper the trouble you get into. i'll bring the up case of Sammy Lee...should we have given him more time. did he PROVE US WRONG elsewhere ? let other clubs give him time if they want. they never did. LSL's record is actually better than Evatt's at the minute. he too was trying to get a new style of play going. how he thought he could do that without alienating key players like SKD.... ( ie. whose game suited direct football..."fight-ball" ) i don't know. Evatt has the bonus of totally new squad of players...no real cliques. no favourites etc. a lot of the time , it's the players who decide...NOT FANS.... the players clearly weren't putting it in for LSL. do the players look like they're giving Evatt their ALL ? well he doesn't seem to think so. he's now openly come out and questioned their efforts. let's see how they respond to that. as this guy "Nidge" rightly puts it : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007%E2%80%9308_Bolton_Wanderers_F.C._season#Results_by_matchdaylooking back at Little sam's time...his start to the season , rather than the 2 games at the end of 06/07 we actually scored in all 5 of the first 5 games. shipping loads. even then you could grasp a mini positive aspect. under IE... it's not just the losing. last 2 games..lost by a margin ( i.e not just the odd goal ), not scored any. if performance was good, you might forgive the result. performance is every bit as bad. these bad results haven't been harsh or unfair. they've been thoroughly deserved. Newport could have had 5 or 6 ! . in 2nd half we had 0 shots on target. great fightback !?. |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Sept 28, 2020 18:03:04 GMT
2 clubs will be relegated from League 2 at the end of this season as we are all well aware, but what if, as Rick Parry has mentioned, that say 69% of the National League clubs fold due to lack of gate receipts/sponsorship etc and with little help from the EFL and the Premier League??
Could it be possible that the relegated clubs may have to fold also as there’ll be no league for them to drop into!!
Just a thought🤔🤔🤔
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 28, 2020 18:50:28 GMT
I think footballs in a perilous position rftr and I think Parry knows it. Listening to Oliver Dowden at the weekend, he seemed pretty confident that the PL were going to assist the EFL to prevent clubs going pop, though he said a decision was still to be reached, hopefully this week. It was pretty clear from him that football had to sort it’s own mess out and that the government weren’t going to use tax payers money and nor should they in my opinion. A handout is not what’s needed but a complete reset of how football is financed. The PL can no longer be allowed to so fundamentally distort our national sport with their obscene and ridiculous, ever increasing wage settlements. Everybody accepts PL players should be well paid but the current amounts have just got way out of proportion and unless somebody reins them in they will continue to do so.
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