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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 16:05:31 GMT
Yer as good a salesman as Evatt whites. What a waste of 12 bucks, but I suppose I had to see it for myself. He wanted the team to be ugly and they are.
I cannot understand with 5 minutes added that we are playing keep ball in the middle ofthe park.
More words fail me. I check the reports, but I'm sure you'll all be on the same page, unlike our team.
I;ll have more fun reading the reports than watching that game.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 26, 2020 16:21:49 GMT
The highlight for me was losing the radio comentary on ifollow leading to the sound of a honky tonk piano advert for the Sock shop while a Bolton player was galloping down the right wing. It was sort of a mixture between the keystone cops and Benny Hill! Those players must have brillant agents, no idea how they have convinced anyone that they are professional footballers. All of them were complete pants with perhaps only Doyle escaping judgment as he did little wrong the two times he touched the ball. Actually o2m, I think that’s a bit unfair because I thought White, Crawford and Hickman looked promising, although obviously IE didn’t think so taking them both off. I’m actually though speechless at the ineptitude of our defence. Santos is just awful and can somebody actually tell me what Comely contributes? Our two full backs are constantly out of position, we don’t close players down and you have your heart in your mouth every time a corner comes in. Strangely though, I do think Santos has attributes going forward and for me could play the “Campo” role in front of a back four. He’s not without skill and is big and strong and when he wants to is actually quite pacy. Defensively though, he’s a disaster. The worst offender for me though today was the manager. At half time it was perfectly clear that our defence was not firm yet he did nothing to change it until we were two down, then takes off two of our most influential players for two complete newbies who haven’t even played for us. His refusal to try Darcy yet again disappoints and amazes me when we have nobody who can see a ball through to Doyle and Delfouneso. It’s certainly not sack the manager time yet but frankly if he can’t see what everyone else can with Santos and Comely at least then I have question marks over whether he can turn this around. People say he did it at a Barrow after 6 poor results but we aren’t Barrow and this isn’t the National League. Evatt is still a novice but this coming week will test him and really see what he’s made of. Can’t wait to hear what he says about today because if it’s just platitudes again it’s going to Go down very badly. Wots, sincere apologies for costing you 12 bucks but come on, if you hadn’t seen how bad we are you’d never have believed it. 😉
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Post by andyl on Sept 26, 2020 16:28:03 GMT
Not the manager's fault!!!!!!! I would have thought anyone could have seen how terrible Santos was for the third week running. It comes to something when the ifollow commentators say that after our three subs he should still be taken off and how right were they. Crellin made a couple of half decent saves and gifted two goals. Comley continuously turned into trouble. Gordon made one incursion forward but otherwise just flagged through the opposition. Delfouneso is playing miles away from Doyle so all Doyle has left to do is run channels. We could have been 4 down in the first half. Not then manager's fault!!!! Who acquired these players? Who is asking them to do what they patently can't. Who has relegated Darcy, our bright prospect of last year? Who is asking the players to take all these risks in defence? Who trains them? Who selects them? Not the manager'fault!!!! Who couldn't see that Delaney had to replace Santos at half time? Strangely before the game I thought some credit for omitting Baptiste. Bet it as an injury? Who played all of pre-season with three at the back and then reverted to 4-after one reverse? Who watched the defence for a whole half play too deep? Who practises corners and drills defenders and attackers. Not the manager's fault. Compared to what we saw today Parky is a tactical genius as is Freedman as was Hill-- and we all know what was thought of them. I know it's Div 2. I know we went into administration. I know Newport at this level are a tidy team although their finishing was dire and defence not all that....And finally how do two players signed at the last minute make the bench when we are being told everyone has to learn a way of playing
OK all of that vented what really matters is whether we can improve and sort it out. As was said in the week the first priority as this and maybe any level has to be defence. In the midst of chaos I thought Taft did OK. Delaney hasn't let us down. We know Darcy is a good player. So that's three names on next week's team sheet. Jones and Hickman did OK, two more. Alexander was excellent against Coventry and what he lacked in experience and ability he unquestionably offered in temperament. Gordon can get round on the left so if he's to play it's in forward movement. Doyle had his best game today-- actually lasted it but he needs support. Delfouneso is potentially one of the better players though horribly unfit. Glaring miss today and even if it turns out he scored a good goal his role is to support Doyle and he's poor in the air.Maybe Miller or the other on the day acquisition will impress but their CVs aren't much to shout about. Sarcevic looks like he could do well and we miss Politic who would have. Maybe against weaker teams we'll garner a point or two and avert the fall to the National league that looms. Maybe all the propaganda about later season improvement will be justified ( no sign yet) and maybe when we all get back we can evoke some passion and pride. Maybe the team will get fit. Maybe Crawford will find his radar. And in amongst all my despair and criticisms I thought for the second time that Tutte looked better than all the other midfielders in his cameo. He actually settled us down for a decent final phase. Crawford can play well but he's awful out of possession and presumably that's why his career stalled? White lasted the game and wasn't the worst on view- another hope.
No doubt Evatt will claim good possession and forget that it was 65 35 to them for twenty minutes. He may claim that we improved in the last ten of the first half and for much of the second. I'd concede that. Our final balls into the box were dreadful throughout, overhit or hit short albeit with no-one really to aim at- we had perhaps one shot on target ( two?). Even if it's all doom and gloom tonight, maybe there are glimmers. However having faithfully listened and lapped up the Phoenix, Evatt propaganda served cold on the ashes of Hill's year long bullxxxx I fear we are actually in the grip of gross inexperience and naievete and we are cast in the role of boy watching Emperor in his fine new clothes?
Crellin 1 Jones 5 Santos Minus 5 Taft 6 Gordon 4 Comley Minus 3 White 5 Hickman 4 Delfouneso 3 Doyle 6 Crawford 4 ( Subs all 4/5)
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Post by davidm on Sept 26, 2020 16:32:12 GMT
Well that was terrible.
The worst performance of the season by a mile.
Defensively, we are shocking. Every member of the defence is capable of a disastrous mistake. Today Crellin but the rest of the defence just do not defend.
I think we have a real problem with midfield. Everybody says the defence is bad, which it is, but the midfield creates very little. Comlyn and White are too similar and both tend to turn backwards with ball and play back to defenders. They create nothing. Crawford is just plain average. Hardly a decent pass from him at all . We let the opposition midfield just run through us. Then Hickman and Delfouneso play so wide and deep, we just have no attack other than Doyle who is up against 2 or3 defenders all the time.
We could have been 3 down very early on and all from dreadfully defended corners. The post and wayward finishing saved us.
We had a little spell 10 minutes before half time which resulted in Delfouneso missing our clearest chance. Crawford had previously shot over when he should have scored.
Newport’s dominance eventually justly earned them the lead when they got the ball 30 yards out and made space and shot. Remember the Forest Green goal – we allowed a man to shoot from 25 yards. Today’s shot went straight to Crellin who, very poorly, couldn’t hold it and their striker just tapped in. No reaction from our centre backs – rooted to the spot.
The second goal was even worse. Their man got the ball on the left wing, cut in with no challenge, shot a reasonable, but not particularly dangerous, shot and Crellin again palmed it out for a tap in.
Two poor goalkeeping efforts but what were the rest of the defence doing?
We had an occasional attack but Newport should have scored more – Crellin made a good save when we were sliced open.
This is absolutely draining watching us play. We seem to have no shape and have a group of players who look non league standard.
Marks:-
Crellin - 3 You cannot palm shot out straight in front of you! Some iffy punching too
Santos - 2 That was awful. How many times did he pass directly to the opposition. He also needs to learn that the first consideration for a defender is to mark the opposition. He doesn’t.
Taft - 3 Could not handle the tall Newport striker.
Gordon - 4 One good break when Delfouneso “scored” but overall you just don’t see him either defensively or attacking
Jones - 4 Had quite a bit of the ball but, as with all the players, just does not create anything
Comlyn - 2 Appalling. I think I can remember just one positive forward pass – the rest were just negative sideways/backwards passing. Caught in possession numerous times. Not worthy of a place in the team.
White - 3 Our midfield is really disappointing. Outbattled by Newport and hardly anything for the strikers to get onto.
Hickman - 4 Combined with Jones, he had a fair amount of ball but very little creative.
Crawford - 3 Just not performing at all. Again, it was hard to see any positive forward passing from him. Should have scored.
Doyle - 4 Again, just no service to him so no performance from him
Delfouneso - 4 Should have scored, unlucky to have goal ruled out but he plays too deep and wide for me. We just have Doyle upfront on his own.
Isgrove - 4
Gnahoua -
Tutte - 4
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 26, 2020 16:34:58 GMT
I am amazed that IE is still bringing in attacking players, when the existing ones are OK if they only get service. There is a great disjoint between defence and midfield. It is therefore surprising that he is not looking to strengthen the centre of defence and defensive midfield and to ensure that players using the inevitable back pass ensure it goes to a colleague. There are question marks, too, after Crellin's mistakes today. I think that position calls for someone of greater experience and maybe stature. At times today we did attack nicely without showing enough determination or providing a telling ball and it was an unlucky handball that meant our equalising goal was disallowed.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 26, 2020 16:45:14 GMT
Blimey...where do you start with that. 3 league games. no clean sheets. no goals scored still ! bookies must be seriously thinking of downgrading us from 2nd faves for promotion. wish i'd stuck to my original plan and bet against us for this game. even covering the draw wasn't enough for me. midfield is non-existent. usually decent White was below par. both of the midfield two offered little going forward or screening the defence. Santos ..deary me.... making Zat Knight look good. still can be useful going forward. needs to play in Campo role. Jones was poor on 2nd goal. lets their winger cut in and shoot. then Crellin flaps at it. whole system. certainly wasn't 3412 as the ifollow graphic said. looked like 4231, but what are we meant to be doing. certainly not high energy style winning the ball up high in opponents half too many risks taken at back. so slow , and any build up play we do manage. by time we get into final 3rd... opponent has EVERYONE back ! . Doyle starved of service again. he must be wondering what the hell he's let himself in for. no shots on target in 2nd half for us. . Newport had 9 shots on target in total. so we're lucky to keep score down to just 2-0. Manager increasingly looking out of his depth. 3 of the centre backs have been dropped from our previous games. Taft once, Greenidge( or just injured ) now Baptiste, ....yet Santos retained. got a feeling i know who will be next. we sacked ( or didn't renew ) a guy who had 2 promotions from this league..to hire a guy with zero experience of managing in ANY league football. ( i.e of the 92 clubs ) 2 more signings today. i hope FV know what they are doing 'cos they are a few very early signs of us heading to financial ruin again. sign older players (short term fixes) with no sell-ons...... Sarcevic 28, Doyle 32 ( 3 year deal ). Baptiste 34, delfouneso ( 2 yr deal ) aged 29. give unproven manager 3 year contract. no-one expected this flurry of signings. it feels like the GAMBLING that Leeds utd did under Peter Ridsdale. chucking money at things instead of building things steady and slowly. firm foundations. fair enough if it works...no-one will complain....but you don't bet the ranch on instant promotion. i really hope we aren't doing that. it just feels a bit like the 1st season back in the Championship under Coyle then Freedman. club had no back up plans for relegation, wages to turnover far too high.. solution...keep gambling rather than cutting your cloth accordingly. we were thinking about closing upper tiers to cut costs. Emma Beaugeard also quit to cut costs. www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/18511912.bolton-ceo-emma-beaugeard-step-cost-cutting-measure/one massive thing that doesn't exactly make me warm to Evatt is his blatant LIES.... Santos..."extremely quick " www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2020/august/evatt-recruits-portuguese-defender/www.bwfc.co.uk/news/2020/august/greenidge-pens-deal-to-bolster-wanderers-defence/Greenidge..."lightning quick". really surprised others are quite so tolerant of these lies. was his interview with FV nothing but porkies or what ? would you buy a 2nd hand car from this Fella ?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 17:04:53 GMT
nothing but porkies or what ? would you buy a 2nd hand car from this Fella ? No, but whites had me convinced! Until... I said before rtf, with all the ballooning in pre-season Evatt may have given the club financial breathing space. He did convince more than 8,000 season ticket holders. I also said before that he seems to be building from the front, when I think he should be building from the back. I agree with Kenglo, why is he looking for another striker? As AndyL mimics: "It's not the manager's fault."
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 26, 2020 17:15:07 GMT
It will be interesting to see what IE has to say about today because if he bullsheets his way through that again and doesn’t hold his hands up and apologise, he could come in for some serious flack. Of course we also need to look at Phoenix in all this because he’s as much responsible for the signings as Evatt. Sadly the two signings today look as unimpressive and poor as the others they’ve brought in. I do though agree with rtf that Santos could actually play the Campo role and if Evatt can see it then it may help both defence and midfield. He’s big, strong, not without skill and actually when he uses it, does have some pace. One thing is for certain, that must be his last game in central defence. I didn’t want to think that Evatt could be a stubborn sort who would try and defend obvious mistakes or favour his own signings but his constant exclusion of Darcy, Brockbank and Delaney and Alexander lead me to wonder. I was also surprised and disappointed by Crawfords removal because for me he and Hickman were two of our better performers so I was genuinely surprised they were taken off instead of Santos and the woeful Comely. Anyway, I think if Evatt turns this around with these players he will deserve a medal but certainly if I were FV I’d be questioning what Phoenix has contributed other than ridding the club of all our stalwarts and landing us with a bunch of no marks?
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 26, 2020 18:38:56 GMT
I wonder if Phoenix and Evatt have a working arrangement to create a home for out of work footballers with all that involves - rubbish football agents and the like. As I said in earlier threads Evatt has sold us into a concept that is so far not working because we do not have the right personnel. In the modern football world you need coaches and players with experience at a higher level than this and it's beginning to look that Phoenix has led FV into a mighty gamble with Evatt and his multi-signings.. When at this level before we had the mighty Armfield followed in due course by Rioch and Todd. Evatt's playing from the back actually means playing backwards with no visible means of support. As an example of signings I ask why sign Crellin when Alexander is somewhere near his ability level, and in fact we would probably be better with someone like Rudd ? I agree with the thought that Santos is more of a Campo than a Gudni, but why has Evatt not rumbled that already? Comley and White continually turn backwards when in possession leaving defenders open to a through ball. Why is he doing nothing about that?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 19:36:06 GMT
I'm 58 tomorrow and my birthday is already ruined, last weekend was our 30th wedding anniversary ruined I'm wondering how many more weekends will be ruined on a Saturday I'm getting a little pissed off with my weekend's being ruined. Are we still going to be saying we will win games when we are in the National League as I do believe we was saying the same thing when we were in League One I'm sick of getting beat and people saying give them time and we still have a club I don't want to be a fan of our club out of the football league and before you say it won't happen I remember Notts County fans saying the same thing when they went down . We need a pick us up a win would help COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Sept 26, 2020 19:58:31 GMT
Well happy birthday Chip, its definitely a way to ruin a weekend(it is the hope that kills you)
Not sure where we go. We seem to have a Scientologist as a manager. No negatives. Nothings wrong. Keep smiling.
And an absolute shocking defence. Evatt was a no nonsense defender so how he cannot be furious as you tonight beggers belief.
Said previously Evatt talks the talk. I dont think anyone enters management thinking they want to play dull, pragmatic, negative football but they learn and adapt. Evatt seems "green" and naive and ambitious still.
Theres no debate. Evatt stays the season no matter what. He just needs to learn on the job. Worrying thing for me is hes ditched players we know have performed at L1 in favour of his players. Unproven.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 26, 2020 21:11:44 GMT
Well happy birthday Chip, its definitely a way to ruin a weekend(it is the hope that kills you) Not sure where we go. We seem to have a Scientologist as a manager. No negatives. Nothings wrong. Keep smiling. And an absolute shocking defence. Evatt was a no nonsense defender so how he cannot be furious as you tonight beggers belief. Said previously Evatt talks the talk. I dont think anyone enters management thinking they want to play dull, pragmatic, negative football but they learn and adapt. Evatt seems "green" and naive and ambitious still. Theres no debate. Evatt stays the season no matter what. He just needs to learn on the job. Worrying thing for me is hes ditched players we know have performed at L1 in favour of his players. Unproven. Yes, many happy returns tomorrow chip. The result didn’t stop me enjoying my glass of vino tonight though I was hoping I’d be happier drinking it. Anyway, bottoms up to you and for your 30th last week. I agree OM that Evatts going nowhere, nor should he. I can understand him giving his team every chance to make up for mistakes but sooner or later you have to accept you have to change. I don’t actually think there’s too much wrong going forward, though I would like to see Darcy given a chance to provide some ammo for Doyle with Delfouneso pushed out wide. I’d definitely give Santos a chance in midfield ahead of the back four where I’d pair Taft with Delaney and let the two full backs play as full backs for the moment. Despite results I don’t think were too far away and if we can just get a bit of the run of the ball in front of goal, we may turn things round quickly.
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 26, 2020 21:57:12 GMT
Ok Guys, but why is he still signing forwards when the defence and midfield are totally disorganised? The wages of one senior pro in midfield would have been covered by excluding two of his many signings.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2020 22:49:27 GMT
Ok Guys, but why is he still signing forwards when the defence and midfield are totally disorganised? The wages of one senior pro in midfield would have been covered by excluding two of his many signings. Totally agree Ken, but as I have said before, he's building this team up from the front. When he should be building it from the back. Today's defensive and mid-field performance was atrocious. You can't put one iota of a positive spin on it. Passing the ball backwards and sideways, especially when you don't have the technical skills, or the fitness to do it It may be the best system in Evatt's imagination, but it's way beyond the technical and physical peformance of these players.. We are no Barcelona. Something about Evatt's post match comments made me cringe: “I have to pick players who are going to show me the desire to win – they might not technically be the best players for the system, the shape or the opposition but if they give me 100 per cent desire and commitment, work their nuts off, it might be the best way forward at the moment.: He's grasping at a bag of Revells now. Next match Harrogate Town. Newly promoted haven't lost, yet. Scored 6 Against 2. Today they were away at Port Vale, who haven't conceded. Let's hope that game isn't a harrowing experience. Following that, we are playing Grimsby and Oldham. You'd normally think 6 points. You would, wouldn't you?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 26, 2020 23:03:41 GMT
a few constructive points building on WS63's good points there. we might need to try a 433 formation. 433 is the natural Barca/ Dutch/Cruyff way for this managers supposed fan of that style. they hardly ever play 4231 or with a back 3. contradictions in managers thinking there. get 3 into the midfield engine room and control that area.get Santos into m/f. Comley had 92% pass accuracy today. admittedly loads back & square. but he has the potential to do better. Tutte also had 90% + passing. he's another possibility. possibly Crawford deeper too for his creativity. The midfield 3 lets them create passing angles & simple triangles giving you options with a bit of half decent movement, which certainly needs to improve. give Delaney & Tutte a go at centre back. i'm not totally opposed to Baptiste as some might be. given better m/f screening and not having a centre back like partner Santos who goes AWOL , might help him. let full backs stay in our own half for now til we can build a clean sheet mentality. not unless we're playing a bottom 6 side , when they can have more licence to go forward. up front...front 3 of Delfouneso on left, ( inside left, not winger). Doyle in centre. Hickman on right for some width . with Sarcevic fit again, maybe you could try 4312, but then you lose your attacking width. the new guy Isgrove is another possibilty on R wing. www.whoscored.com/Matches/1487018/LiveStatistics/England-League-Two-2020-2021-Bolton-Newportlooking at the crossing stats today it was poor. hickman 5 crosses. 0 accurate crosses ! jones 4 crosses 0 accurate ! crawford 4 crosses 0 accurate. isgrove 5 crosses . 1 accurate. absolutely no "through balls" from our lot. Newport had 8. we're caught high and dry..exposed waiting to be sliced through.... yet by the time our slow ponderous attacks get into the final 3rd, like i said in my main post above, EVERYONE for newport is back. no wonder it's hard to cross then..no wonder you can't make through balls then.
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