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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 3, 2020 18:55:57 GMT
While a great percentage of footballers these days have black origins they are hugely appreciated in most cases by ALL supporters and are, as is wont for footballers in England, very well paid and not slave-driven. I wonder if our new squad and Ian Evatt are preparing to foist this undesirable feature upon us starting with this weekend's game. I sincerely hope not and will definitely switch off the EFL video for its duration, should it happen. We are all now one nation football fans, and there is no need for this act of separation. Slogans are for politicians, not for football fans . I see Sky is continuing to encourage this ungodly procedure, and that the EPL have voted to continue with it.I cannot understand why they do not understand the logic of my first sentence.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2020 19:29:19 GMT
rtf, why even for the homosexual, bi and transgender, asexual and heterosexual? What has it got to do with sport? Nothing. It's political and belongs there.
Check your mailbox please. Some on your views have sent you a message regarding the Vietnam? postings, which we don't want.
Welcome back btw, the forum has been hanging on with a few posters. Mainly Oom and whites on the BWFC side, they should be shown some appreciation at least. What's happened to Burnden Paddock too?
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 3, 2020 22:14:31 GMT
I think rftr hit the nail on the head ( welcome back by the way, great to have you with us again) with the question about white individuals being shot by police, including black policemen, in the USA with no response, protests or rioting. I do accept that the race issue over there, especially in the South, is much worse and more contentious than anything we see here but that is exactly why there should be no place for racist protests, because let’s be honest that’s exactly what they are, being repeated over here. What happened to George Floyd was terrible and the policemen concerned should be punished but that needs to be resolved in the USA not here. It is encouraging the wrong type of thinking in young blacks and pushing them into believing the propaganda that the likes of BLM are promoting. The football authorities have allowed a point to be made but carrying it on indefinitely is in my opinion a huge mistake. Like Kenglo, if this is practised before our games this season, that ST I bought won’t be used and neither will I subscribe to iFollow.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 4, 2020 9:16:43 GMT
wots I have seen the report on the post and have removed it and I have deleted the account of the person who posted.
On the subject of the "knee" I just used gays as an example not just a specific group of people. I agree entirely that none of these protest have any place within sport.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2020 9:54:53 GMT
Thanks rtf.
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Post by MAT on Sept 4, 2020 12:26:01 GMT
Thanks to all who have contributed to getting shut of thanhie12345. Good riddance.
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Post by boris on Sept 4, 2020 17:31:53 GMT
Yes, thanks Trotter. Got it all deleted.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 4, 2020 19:21:39 GMT
Yes, thanks Trotter. Got it all deleted. Well done boris, hope you’re both feeling better today?
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 12, 2020 14:05:01 GMT
I caught a French Ligue 1 game the other day and noticed that the teams did not 'Take the Knee'(well done them). By contrast I noticed today that Arsenal & fulham did. But we've just kicked off and we didn't unless i blinked and missed it lol. What is going to be the accepted norm, doing it or not?
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Post by kenglowhite on Sept 12, 2020 19:03:31 GMT
It seems to be a Premier League/Sky thing - pointless in the extreme. If Sky persist perhaps we should consider unsubscribing. Our team had quite a few men with African origins today. The fact that 8000 of us pay good money to watch them (under the circumstances of their performances) surely proves we are not racist?
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 12, 2020 22:32:58 GMT
What’s most annoying is that the PL have finally accepted that the BLM movement with their disruption intentions is not an organisation that they want to be associated with and so have come up with a new all in it together movement which is much more palatable yet are still continuing with this awful and pointless knee gesture from which many of the players consider it acceptable to go one further and use the highly political black power salute. Maybe before long the PL will realise that this gesture also is past its sell by date and should be ceased forthwith. I’m still waiting for the first player, black or white, to have the guts to refuse to do it and show their woke team mates that it’s time it was stopped. I won’t hold my breath!!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 13, 2020 21:04:37 GMT
"awful and pointless knee gesture"
spot on there Whites... it's the utter pointlessness that gets me. the under 25's in general, seem to be the most naive in terms of thinking this is helping. yet most of us slightly older generation ( say over 50's + ) in general terms, ( with a exceptions of course on both sides.) are a bit less wet behind the ears about it. i've got no sympathy for racists.you can string those up from the main stand if you want to for me. at least it'd be a bit more constructive . i'll help with the piano wire if that's needed. !!! lol that wouldn't be my first suggestion of a solution but i'd certainly prefer the effectiveness of it to pathetic weak gestures like this.
it's just so utterly pathetic to do this kneeling and pretend it's going to help. there's always going to be a tiny minority of utterly ignorant people about. they drop litter. they think laws don't apply to them. we've never been able to stop/eliminate crimes like burglary or murder. maybe we should try kneeling to stop that. or kneel to stop wars.
the other "in vogue" solution to racism also drives me mad. like when England were threatening to walk off the pitch vs Bulgaria. Jeez that's really helpful for england fans who've paid hundreds..maybe thousands to get there and taken time off work. don't complain if the racism persists.... that's your opportunity to get cctv trained on them..get stewards across....get police across and sort it out. do it undercover if need be. be CLEVER about it. get them banned and get some SERIOUS punishments to the ACTUAL OFFENDERS....not fining the respective f.a , or banning all fans from that venue.
if someone in your street nicks a car, you don't expect to serve a punishment for it. punish the offender. !!! you can execute them for me. these loons are supposedly so tough on racism but they'd never suggest that !! act soft, pretend to talk tough. they'd rather punish a whole group who didn't do it, than really punish hard the few that do.
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Post by BL2 on Sept 14, 2020 12:24:59 GMT
Spot on, rtf.
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Post by whitesince63 on Sept 14, 2020 17:59:54 GMT
"awful and pointless knee gesture" spot on there Whites... it's the utter pointlessness that gets me. the under 25's in general, seem to be the most naive in terms of thinking this is helping. yet most of us slightly older generation ( say over 50's + ) in general terms, ( with a exceptions of course on both sides.) are a bit less wet behind the ears about it. i've got no sympathy for racists.you can string those up from the main stand if you want to for me. at least it'd be a bit more constructive . i'll help with the piano wire if that's needed. !!! lol that wouldn't be my first suggestion of a solution but i'd certainly prefer the effectiveness of it to pathetic weak gestures like this. it's just so utterly pathetic to do this kneeling and pretend it's going to help. there's always going to be a tiny minority of utterly ignorant people about. they drop litter. they think laws don't apply to them. we've never been able to stop/eliminate crimes like burglary or murder. maybe we should try kneeling to stop that. or kneel to stop wars. the other "in vogue" solution to racism also drives me mad. like when England were threatening to walk off the pitch vs Bulgaria. Jeez that's really helpful for england fans who've paid hundreds..maybe thousands to get there and taken time off work. don't complain if the racism persists.... that's your opportunity to get cctv trained on them..get stewards across....get police across and sort it out. do it undercover if need be. be CLEVER about it. get them banned and get some SERIOUS punishments to the ACTUAL OFFENDERS....not fining the respective f.a , or banning all fans from that venue. if someone in your street nicks a car, you don't expect to serve a punishment for it. punish the offender. !!! you can execute them for me. these loons are supposedly so tough on racism but they'd never suggest that !! act soft, pretend to talk tough. they'd rather punish a whole group who didn't do it, than really punish hard the few that do. Spot on rtf, completely agree with that and especially about it being predominantly the young supporting it. I suppose it’s their world and their future now but since they’ll never have the benefit of knowing what a much better place the world was before computers and social media were invented, we have to expect it. Sadly the world has become a cold, unfriendly and divisive place where every problem is someone’s fault and any deviation to the woke communities views is seen as confirmation that you’re racist, homophobic, mysoginistic or some other form of deviant. I know nostalgia can blind one to the problems of earlier times but I genuinely wouldn’t swap my childhood in the 50s and 60s for anything they’ve got today.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 21, 2020 13:39:52 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54237179well said Les Ferdinand ...some very nice lines in it... " Taking the knee was very powerful but we feel that impact has now been diluted.
"In the same way 'Clap For Carers' was very emotional for us all, it got to a stage where it had run its natural course and the decision was rightly made to stop it.
"Does that mean we, as a nation, don't care or appreciate our NHS workers? Of course it doesn't.
The taking of the knee has reached a point of 'good PR' but little more than that. The message has been lost. It is now not dissimilar to a fancy hashtag or a nice pin badge.
"What are our plans with this? Will people be happy for players to take the knee for the next 10 years but see no actual progress made?
"Taking the knee will not bring about change in the game - actions will. with the media bandwagon effect, any white person saying this would be slaughtered. thankfully Sir Les has come out with some very good logical points to shoot them all down. the media really make me laugh on this. take the stick the Venky's got compared to the lack of stick for Ken Anderson and to a lesser extent Gartside etc. have the Venky's not paid wages of staff/players, or had bans as company directors or been on the brink of liquidation or pulled any number of stunts KA pulled (signing loan players like Doidge then not making any payments etc ). of course not....what exactly is their great crime the Venky's were guilty of ? bits of naivety here and there, but not much more. not perfect but not even in the bottom 10 or 20 of owners in the 92 clubs. yet according to the media back in the day... terrible owners etc etc. how's that judgement worked out in the long run. well they are solvent and midtable championship and we are bottom end of league 2. looks more like subtle discrimination to me.
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