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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 4, 2020 14:12:38 GMT
Shouldn’t Taking the knee now more accurately be called taking the pee. I’m growing tired of seeing this ridiculous ritual being performed by a bunch of overpaid numpties in shorts before every professional football game. Every right minded person is against racism of any kind and supports action taken against the policemen in America who effectively murdered George Floyd but this has now gone beyond any rational, acceptable actions. The FA and most other organisations have now seen through the facade of the Black Lives Matter movement and seen it for what it really is but they seem reluctant to end this silly event before every game. The points been made now so can we please get back to normality and cease this annoying and utterly pointless exercise? My intention is to buy a season ticket for the UniBol this year but I shall wait until after the first match because if it continues next season then football will be missing this supporter.
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Post by one2many on Jul 6, 2020 11:25:54 GMT
You are a brave man for raising the subject. By saying what you say, some will unfairly imply that you are racist. Clearly ALL lives matter (black, white, yellow or whatever)and taking a knee is nothing more than a symbolic gesture that does little or nothing to tackle inherent racism which sadly does exist around the world. It will probably stop being fashionable sometime in the future only to be replaced with whatever the next cause is.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jul 6, 2020 15:09:50 GMT
I would never suggest W63’s objection to this ‘taking the knee’ as being classed as racist and as you all say ‘every life matters but I am with W63 on this. Football has had to go through some major surgery with this virus, empty stadiums, distancing, canned audience crown chants and noises etc etc My biggest grievance , the sleeve BLM logo, the BLM in full letters on the rear of the shirt and of course ‘taking the knee’ notwithstanding the BLM messages on the advertising peripheral digital boards. It is extremely important for the English Premier League to take a stance in racism and I’m sure that they have done this very well, but to put it into context, the NHS, who have had to oversee the deaths of over 45000 people in 4 months and continue to fight this horrible disease, get a tiny little badge which is invisible to the naked eye at the side of the football club badge on the shirt and possibly a minutes applause or silence, which, in the face of it looks like had been forgotten about (unless I’ve been on the moon for the past week)
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 6, 2020 15:10:21 GMT
For me O2M it has absolutely nothing to do with racism. Like I’m sure you do I detest racism in any form but having to watch this ridiculous gesture before ever football match is now grating on me. Football in this country has been at the forefront of tacking racism in football and players know that. Is there more to do, of course there is but purely symbolic gestures like this are fine for one game, like a minutes applause, or a minutes silence for someone lost, like a George Floyd but this has now gone beyond what it’s trying to highlight. It’s a bit like clapping every Thursday for the NHS, great for one or two weeks to show gratitude and support but once you feel you have to do it, it becomes a chore. You may be right about it eventually running out of fashion but it’s showing no sign yet. I guarantee most of the non black players resent doing it but are too frightened to resist. Full marks to the Grand Prix drivers who didn’t do it at the weekend and there’s absolutely nothing racist about not doing it by the way. I’m afraid the Black community are in danger of alienating the other members of the community if they don’t cool this seemingly glorified attack on anything THEY consider racist like this pathetic woman athlete who was stopped with her boyfriend over the weekend and has reacted negatively and tried to play the race card on it. We really do need to get this under control and unless and until some prominent members of the black community stand up and appeal for sense this could go downhill very quickly.
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Post by BL2 on Jul 6, 2020 15:37:54 GMT
Absolutely spot on, whites. I couldn't agree more.
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Post by boris on Jul 6, 2020 20:13:48 GMT
For me O2M it has absolutely nothing to do with racism. Like I’m sure you do I detest racism in any form but having to watch this ridiculous gesture before ever football match is now grating on me. Football in this country has been at the forefront of tacking racism in football and players know that. Is there more to do, of course there is but purely symbolic gestures like this are fine for one game, like a minutes applause, or a minutes silence for someone lost, like a George Floyd but this has now gone beyond what it’s trying to highlight. It’s a bit like clapping every Thursday for the NHS, great for one or two weeks to show gratitude and support but once you feel you have to do it, it becomes a chore. You may be right about it eventually running out of fashion but it’s showing no sign yet. I guarantee most of the non black players resent doing it but are too frightened to resist. Full marks to the Grand Prix drivers who didn’t do it at the weekend and there’s absolutely nothing racist about not doing it by the way. I’m afraid the Black community are in danger of alienating the other members of the community if they don’t cool this seemingly glorified attack on anything THEY consider racist like this pathetic woman athlete who was stopped with her boyfriend over the weekend and has reacted negatively and tried to play the race card on it. We really do need to get this under control and unless and until some prominent members of the black community stand up and appeal for sense this could go downhill very quickly. Yes, excellent post whites. I know we've talked on the 'other side' in regards to this subject...(for those who don't know, no we're not dead just posters on the General Forum), and I sense many are now getting a little fed up with the constant reminders as to BLM. Of course we all despise racism in whatever form; however, one can feel a little uncomfortable in refusing to admire the protests and constant reminders of our proud history being dragged through the dirt. We cannot erase it, change it or pretend it never happened. We can accept it was wrong but no amount of apologising will chenge it. We need to move on look to the future, not the past. And sport should be reserved for sport, not politics!
Anyway, let's hope the Wanderer's are on the up.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 7, 2020 6:27:18 GMT
Quite agree, Wanderers looking like pulling out all the stops to build a successful team this year so let’s hope the worst is behind us and we can look forward to a good promotion push.
Boris, I only posted it on here because it was about the effect on football, which probably has a much higher ratio of Black players than any other. I agree about keeping politics out of sport and that’s why this gesture should have been a once only situation and not ongoing because that’s making it political. I think the FA should now call a halt to it and call it out for what it’s become.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2020 6:39:53 GMT
I think the FA should now call a halt to it and call it out for what it’s become. Good luck with that one.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 7, 2020 21:12:14 GMT
In fairness the introduction of the pre match handshake was far more baffling. Irrelevant, often provocative, and now a hygiene risk on top.
Completely understand why BAME groups would want it to continue as previous campaigns "kick it out" "no to racism" just appear to be lip service and nothing really gets done.
My personal opinion is the same. A pre planned routine doesnt have impact. Think when two teams unite and take the knee following moronic fans actions then thats when it will be powerful.
(Least the players names are back on the shirt)
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 8, 2020 12:30:58 GMT
It’s not powerful though OM, it’s just monotonous now and extremely annoying. At the same time it’s just encouraging the Black population to consider everything done to them that they don’t like is entirely down to colour, which is ridiculous. An example is this woman athlete who took great issue at being pulled over by the police despite refusing to stop when flashed, eventually doing so then speeding off when the officers got out of the van. She then has the presence of mind to have her camera phone running when she eventually did stop. Her attitude from the start was petulant and obstructive yet from what I could see the female police officer conducted herself quietly and politely under the circumstances. As far as having her baby in the car, does she not know that drug runners regularly hide drugs in child seats and objects? Surely she’s not that naive? Handcuffs are used to prevent putting hands in pockets to produce weapons. Now the police have apologised for goodness sake. The whole Black issue is like a tinder box and as I said earlier, until we have some common sense intervention from respectable and influential Black figures this is just going to accelerate. Bending the knee is just one part of a political movement and needs to be stopped immediately.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 8, 2020 12:53:38 GMT
No its not powerful in its current form, as i said. But when a player is racially abused from a section of the fans if all players took the knee and halted proceedings thats when action will stand for something.
Ive not seen the athletes case, i wpuld have thought in this day and age that all police cars have dashcam? Puts any argument to bed? That not the case?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 9, 2020 9:50:52 GMT
The police do have both dash cam and body footage OM but are refusing to release it. As for taking the knee, if it’s supposed to be a solemn moment with heads bowed in respect to those like GF who died in Police custody, why are most of the black players raising the fist which is surely a black power movement? Like I say this has got out of control and needs stopping now. I even see the cricketers did it before the West Indes/England test match. When is it going to be seen for what it has become, a political signal?
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Post by OohMac on Jul 9, 2020 21:44:15 GMT
Probably will keep doing it until the first person decides not to. He will be vilified, probably get death threats and booed at every ground(once fans allowed in). Like James McLean vs the poppy every single year.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 10, 2020 6:57:47 GMT
That’s exactly why the authorities need to stop it now OM. Ok do it once as a show of respect but doing it every game in every sport is just unacceptable. As for individuals not doing it, half of the F1 drivers refused at the weekend and weren’t ridiculed so there’s no reason why any of the ones who disagree with it in any sport and I do think that’s a lot, shouldn’t do likewise. Like I say though, the sports authorities should step in here and ensure it’s done sparingly and as a show of respect, not a political gesture and anyone raising the fist in a black power signal must be penalised. It’s just getting way out of hand now and needs curtailing. Problem is none of them have any spine and don’t want to be seen as racist. Absolutely ridiculous.
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Post by realtrottersforever on Sept 3, 2020 16:05:00 GMT
Some absolutely fantastic posts on this subject. I agree wholeheartedly with W63. The initial issue had nothing to do with sport, so why have sports' people taken this to heart, are players actually allowed to choose whether they want to "take the knee" or is it compulsory, because I can't believe no footballers think the same as us. No other profession is taking the knee why not? I also am not a racist, but this "taking the knee" is doing my head in. If it had been a white man killed by a black policeman would we now be having a "white live matter" I somehow doubt it. As others have said All Lives Matter. Even the clapping for the NHS ran it's course and was stopped after 10 weeks. Please, please, please stop this lunacy before the start of the new season. I'd probably respect the players more if they took the knee for Gay players. How many professional players are openly gay (none that I can think of) and you're not telling me there aren't any.
The Kick Racism out of football campaign has been going for 23 years and it obviously hasn't solved anything, why do they think "Taking the Knee" is going to do any better.
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