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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2020 12:51:51 GMT
Wigan's going into administration has got me wondering whether the EFL are out to destroy football clubs in general.
They are due a 12 point deduction, which is the rule, but the double jeopardy comes when the rule is applied. If Wigan are in the bottom 3 at the end of the season, then the 12 points are deducted at the start of next season. If not then the rule is applied this season. Given that most contracts will possibly have a reduction in wages clause, if the team is relegated the players are affected too.
Did we not go thro' a similar scenario? Will Wigan have a transfer embargo placed on them?
Reviewing our own situation, having been relegated, why is the transfer embargo not lifted? After all we are relegated, partly due to the 12 point deduction and the embargo. Meanwhile, we have Evatt putting his reputation on the line as a miracle worker.
Meanwhile, the culprits have taken financially from the clubs and leave the corpse for someone else to bury, or revive.
Wigan's situation is/was exacerbated by the Covid situation.
How many more?
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 2, 2020 13:20:00 GMT
It is obvious to me that the EFL make up rules as they go along without thinking about the future of their product and thus leaving well-meaning and well-supported clubs in jeopardy. It may well be ghat some of these rules are inherited from the old days when not as much money was needed to run a football club. Equally I cannot really see this Covid bug being responsible for their demise as clubs' income nowadays comes mainly from season tickets and not through the gate except from visitors. I have noted that Wigan for some time have been overspending in the transfer market, and particularly picking up players who Wanderers were stated to fancy. I have also noted the involvement of the Royle brothers and often Peter Reid sitting alongside Joe Royle in the directors' box....makes me think !!
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Post by westandlower on Jul 2, 2020 14:11:38 GMT
I imagine Bury supporters will be pretty livid too. It was the Right & Proper test along with the business plan that ushered in Bury's demise. I think Wigan underwent a change in ownership only around a month ago, so what happened to the EFP's Right & Proper test? It stinks. The EFL needs to be reconstituted under a new Board as it is clearly not fit for purpose.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 2, 2020 15:12:46 GMT
I thought there was a cut off point where points would be docked, remember being baffled when we didnt apply before March and take the hit on a doomed season. Apparently this has always been the rules. I dont know whos paid for administration either? Was led to believe it was costly but Wigan owners seemed to have legged it.
I was also of the understanding that embargo could be reviewed if things were resolved. FV happy to wait or unable to settle debts.
Embargo has been a blessing though, we've got a small squad and no deadwood at all. For years managers have had to deal with the last mans garbage. Evatt gets a clean break.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 2, 2020 19:10:18 GMT
I really fear for Wigan because unlike Anderson these Chinese oiks have just disappeared into the ether. It looks like one big stitch up to me and I think they’ve been well scammed. I think it’s time for a real rethink about how owners are vetted and clubs penalised after entering administration. The game has changed, owners are no longer local businessmen or trying to run their clubs prudently, it’s all about money and outside of the PL almost nobody can afford to operate without a benefactor. Surely that can’t be right in a sport where a single PL player earns more than a whole squad at other clubs. The divide is just getting wider and wider and I think we are now at a tipping point.
As is said above, the game has changed. Clubs used to go into administration through poor housekeeping but more often now it’s corrupt or devious owners.. I’m beginning to question whether in today’s world the EFL have any chance of properly vetting owners and maybe were being too hard on them? If Anderson and these Wigan owners were able to prove access to funds, as seems to have been the case and someone like Dave Whelan, who isn’t stupid by any means, considers their buyer genuine, then how can they be turned down? The fact that they turn out to be rogue can’t surely be blamed on them. It’s time for a complete rethink on our game and hopefully the implosion of Wanderers, Bury, Wigan and potentially others shortly will force that to happen.
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Post by thegrud1 on Jul 3, 2020 10:49:42 GMT
****I really fear for Wigan because unlike Anderson these Chinese oiks have just disappeared into the ether. *** Anderson didnt disappear into the ether? ? He did a bloody good job og doing exactly that......but lets move on lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2020 13:19:47 GMT
I think the situation with Wigan is dire and perhaps their very existence is in the balance. Have Wigan become subject to the gambling gangs in the East? There is a story in the Mail regarding such activity, but apparently the conversation a Wigan fan had with Rick Parry does not elaborate. Into the ether is probably correct. The players will not be paid today, apparently and their next game is against... drum roll... Brentford on Saturday. How coincidental. Wonder what the odds on that were and will Wigan player's strike? By way of me posting this thread, my point was, before this scandal started, that the EFL decide when the points are deducted, but for me they should be in the season that they were in Admin, not next, or whenever the EFL decide. Same with the embargo. If you suffer relegation in one season of embargo, it should not carry over to the next as with our situation. Maybe the EFL have something against Northern clubs... Also, as the Grud points out. The slimeball that caused our situation has ridden off with pocketfulls of our money, as will be the case at Wigan.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 3, 2020 22:03:40 GMT
****I really fear for Wigan because unlike Anderson these Chinese oiks have just disappeared into the ether. *** Anderson didnt disappear into the ether? ? He did a bloody good job og doing exactly that......but lets move on lol Point taken Grud but what I was meaning was that Anderson was there, even if not always in person during the Administration process and taking part in it, whereas these Wigan despots appears to have completely upped sticks and done one back to China. On the face of it they seem to have made a huge loss on getting involved but of course until the Administrator unravels everything we don’t know what might be lurking. As for the bet against them being relegated, I just can’t see that. I mean everybody knows that if a club is put in admin by the owner they have a 12 point deduction which in most cases will lead to relegation. I think the betting groups in Asia are a bit too savvy to fall for that one and since Wigan have been around the bottom for some time, the odds surely wouldn’t have been high so the amount they would have to wager would be considerable. I genuinely fear for Wigan because with players not being paid and likely to withdraw services they could face the same problems we had in some walking away for free and they have some players worth a few quid.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2020 18:50:59 GMT
I had to re-visit this one again.
I;m no Wigan fan, but you have to give the players credit. They haven't been paid still, but still showed up against Brentford and tonight leading QPR 1-0. Why didn't we push the boat out?
Sadly, this double jeopardy lark sticks it to them next year if they survive and then again if they are naturally relegated. How to break a club by the EFL. They wouldn't do this if it was WHU, neither would the PL, or the FA.
Burnley at least leading 1-0, so how come Chelsea let 3 in for them to win. Don't tell me some games aren't fixed.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 9, 2020 9:45:11 GMT
It seems that Wigan are fighting the 12 point penalty not just lying down and accepting it like we did. Also, as you say wots, both the players and manager Paul Cook are staying solid, no intention to down tools like our lot did and Cooks in the forefront unlike Parkinson who just kept his head down and never rallied the troops. Gutless and spineless and so glad he’s gone. No reason he couldn’t have done what I.E. is doing with no money instead of signing crocks and pensioners.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 20:18:13 GMT
It seems that Wigan are fighting the 12 point penalty not just lying down and accepting it like we did. Also, as you say wots, both the players and manager Paul Cook are staying solid, no intention to down tools like our lot did and Cooks in the forefront unlike Parkinson who just kept his head down and never rallied the troops. Gutless and spineless and so glad he’s gone. No reason he couldn’t have done what I.E. is doing with no money instead of signing crocks and pensioners. Well, lookee here: Wigan 8 - 0 Hull City whites, there's no lying down here. I still don't know if they've been paid either. Well done Wigan... I like it!
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 14, 2020 21:29:18 GMT
I don’t think they have been paid wots and if I were a Pie Eater fan I’d be enormously proud right now despite what was happening to my club. I know our situation was more drawn out whilst Wigan’s has been just recent but our players and especially manager, never came out and showed the attitude that the Wigan players have. Good luck to them, I hope they pull it off and stay up, even with a 12 point penalty delayed until next year.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 15, 2020 19:39:13 GMT
Been paid 20% i believe. After they agreed to defer 30% too.
All very odd. Fair play to them. Obviously have a lot of spirit and no Andy Taylors in camp.
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