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Post by OohMac on Mar 4, 2020 14:58:38 GMT
Firstly the "good news" as it was put that we're scrapping the development squad. Not sure what that will mean for Phillips, Lee, Kelly, Spooner, Darby and the likes.
Its probably been explained but what takes its place and what will happeb to say the likes of Bunney, Mellis and Crawford or anyone looking to get game time after injury. Will it be informal friendlies? Managed by? No idea.
Just looked into the team from when our youth team looked real promising. Beating Spurs 8-4 in the FA Youth Cup. Thought it was 8-2 truth be told. But fair to say we didnt get a "class of 92" results. Star player Tom Walker(went to Class of 92) Maher making an odd sub bench and given away. Holding and Clough real successes but ZC has fizzled out and Holding i think is still well thought of but not had the career he might have hoped for(injuries hampered)
Know since then weve downgraded academy.
Other changes and Hills mate has been shown the door. Brought in for recruitment on short term. Not a big story truth be told but can maybe read between the lines and see powers that be not impressed with recruitment and getting rid of Hills merry men? Does that say anything about the position of Hill?
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Post by Alptrotter on Mar 4, 2020 17:11:36 GMT
Other changes and Hills mate has been shown the door. Brought in for recruitment on short term. Not a big story truth be told but can maybe read between the lines and see powers that be not impressed with recruitment and getting rid of Hills merry men? Does that say anything about the position of Hill? I sincerely hope so. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 4, 2020 19:10:12 GMT
I think it presumes a complete clear out in May OM, including Hill and Fletcher. We’re retaining the U18s I think so maybe that keeps Spooner and Darby but it looks like curtains for DL and JP, unless our owners (FV or ANO?) decide to move one or both 8nto first team roles, which I sadly doubt. I think few of the players will still be here too and in fact the way things are going, I don’t think FV are much bothered about that. I can only assume these decisions are based on suggestions made by PK, otherwise I can’t see any reason why he’s still here. As for Toby boy he seems to be given significant powers so somebody must think much of him. I just get the feeling that everything is going to change in the summer, including ownership, though I have no physical reason for it other than suspicion. Maybe that would be a good thing because this season has been just awful. At least we’re halfway through the embargo by then so next year might be a better year to build than this one, which may be why they employed KA so quickly and don’t seem perturbed by his lack of success. I’d be very surprised if he were still here next year but as I say, I expect very few of the current squad and management to still be with us.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 5, 2020 9:45:12 GMT
After that interview with Toby and Emma think we have more of an idea.
We will be bringing in a moneyball type. Looking for attributes that fit a role. Makes sense. Too long had square pegs and round holes.
We will be trying to link the U18s. Again perfect sense. Was a massive waste of time and effort for David Lee to be producing small, agile, ball controlling talented players when they'd get to the end of the conveyer for PP to say no bring me Jamie Proctor and Wilbraham.
They used Burnley as an example. I think the good work being done with england is a far better blue sky scenario.
Thats the pros. Cons.
We will arrange the odd match for players coming back in the mix. Doesnt make sense. The games will be so meaningless that no one will take them serious. Or the reverse we pick a team whos 33 year old midfield general think its his last chance saloon and FA Cup final and puts in a tackles like when we lost Chung Lee. Are short term loans conpletely out of the equation?
I think we will lose a generation of defender/goalkeeper. These usually peak at 25+ and only the real special players can go in at 17 and 18 and look the part. Take Zouma, under current conditions hes not trusted to play and now wont have the safety net of academy. So under new conditions Brockank, Zouma, Edwards would be released if they are not to be put in on a weekly basis. Flipside is we dont produce these type of players. Holding is the one exception and was not as lucrative as we hoped. Doesnt justify the way weve set up.
For all the promise Kellet, Threlkeld, Maher, Etc show. Where are they? How much have they ever been worth?
So all in all can see the sense behind it. Just need the right figurehead to implement it. Southgate and Warburton seem level headed, methodical and the complete opposite on Hill. Moneyball is all about taking away the emotive side so we need a calculated figure head.
Pretty sure we will have more changes in the next few weeks.
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 5, 2020 12:15:36 GMT
Am I reading this right?,,,,,,the U.23s games are not competitive...so injured players will have freindlies to get them back up to speed.......friendlies are competitive now  ? |
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 5, 2020 20:18:27 GMT
Does seem rather short sighted but maybe the assumption is that returning injured players may feature in the U18s games? I agree with OM that there will be numerous more changes over the coming weeks and months, some perhaps surprising?
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Post by OohMac on Mar 5, 2020 22:40:12 GMT
I think also if we're going to do this to we should recycle my idea of self regulated quotas. Limiting the amount of 32+ year old players in a matchday squad, a minimum of under 25s in a match squad and restricting the loanees.
If we dont i genuinely think we will do away with young players at 18 and rely on 35 year old freebies and carthorses like PP was happy to play.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 6, 2020 9:17:50 GMT
Logically we have to have a plan to get the club back up to at least the Championship. Next year, certainly up until January, will be much the same as now because we can’t attract better players with transfer fees and higher wages so I don’t think much will change but from January onwards, we can at least discuss better terms with players we want to keep for the following season when the embargo ends. That gives us a bigger pool to fish from which should hopefully at least keep us in L2. After that it depends on how deep our owners pockets are. I’m not averse to older players in our current situation, there are some very good players in that category, as BSA proved but they must be “doers” who the young players can learn off. I think it’s sometimes hard to accept where we are but at least unlike most teams in L1 and L2, we have realistic aspirations of returning to the top tiers so we should at least take comfort from that.
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Post by OohMac on Mar 6, 2020 9:40:56 GMT
Agree there are and Sam used them well Hendry, Warhurst, etc but Parky wpuld pick 11 of them if he could and Dads army would battle out a gritty defeat and the can is kicked.
In fairness to Hill hes tried to think about tomorrow and hes working sort of the way ive explained. Senior players at the core Hobbs, Lowe, Murphies and let the young players learn. Hills big problem is that Hobbs isnt fit, Lowe has covered other positions leaving a soft underbelly. Luke Murphy has let him down and at his age Daryl cannot do the 3 games a week with little support and still be effective.
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