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Post by OohMac on Dec 29, 2019 9:35:34 GMT
Well the last match of a pretty depressing decade. If you'd have said 10 years ago we would be playing for the chance to get off bottom spot in league one you would not have believed it. But its exactly whats on offer and its a chance we need to take.
A quick fire home double where 4-6 points is achievable. Off bottom and the window opens for players who may just see some momentum and get behind the greatest of escapes.
In truth we still dont know which side will turn up. Doubt anyone backs on or against Bolton these days. But home form still good and weve every chance today.
Score draw or narrow win for me. Which means absolutely nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 16:06:03 GMT
Hi all first chance I’ve had to post as I’m in Berlin for the New Year just got to half time and we are 1-0 up so let’s hope we can kick on from here into 2020 with 3 points onwards and upwards COYWM
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 16:23:13 GMT
Lowe sent off two footed challenge 1-1 game on COYWM
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2019 17:03:54 GMT
1-1 playing the last 32 minutes with 10 men still bottom of the league could have been worse we could have lost but I think we have lost ground on the teams above us ? COYWM
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Post by davidm on Dec 29, 2019 19:01:03 GMT
Credit a gutsy never give-in attitude at the end BUT this was another really poor quality display. The team is incapable of passing the ball on the ground to a teammate and cannot mark opposition players. The number of times Shrewsbury’s midfield passed the ball through us, both first and second half, was scary.
The manager had asked us to put aside the first 20 minutes against Southend – well, the first 30 minutes today were awful.
We hardly got a touch, Shrewsbury were all over us. They were quicker to the ball, passed better and we looked very poor. The one thing Shrewsbury couldn’t do was create chances. Matthews’ major contribution early on was a rush of blood when he rushed from his area and headed the ball straight to a Shrewsbury man who put it wide. Otherwise, they passed the ball around us but we contained them.
Murphy then missed our golden chance. Darcy broke down the left and put in a first time left foot centre onto Murphy’s head 10 yards out and he somehow headed over. A bad miss. Murphy also headed wide from a good chance from a corner.
We then scored a fine goal. Darcy played Verlinden clear down the inside left channel and he immediately lobbed it over the goalie for a quality finish.
So we reached half time deservedly ahead. Shrewsbury had more possession and passed the ball very well around us while we huffed and puffed but they created little whereas we scored and had 2 really good chances.
Second half though, we just never started. I say this after most matches that we get worse after the half time break. The manager needs to get his motivational head on.
Shrewsbury now dominated. They had all the possession and deservedly equalised when the ball bobbled about our box, got a couple of rebounds and dropped to their striker to score. We really had opportunities to clear but we are slow to react to bouncing balls.
At this stage, many would say the ”game changing moment” occurred. Lowe dived 2-footed into a challenge and was deservedly sent off. It wasn’t a “game changing moment” though because the game had already changed immediately from the second half kicking off.
We dropped farther and farther back and just defended for 30+ minutes.
Shrewsbury were all over us. They had a goal disallowed for offside and then, late on, Matthews made an amazing double save to keep them out. This together with a couple of kicks off the line saw us through to a point.
We probably deserved something for endeavour but our quality of football was so poor. We were outplayed by Shrewsbury.
Defence, goalkeeper excepted, are still very shaky. The goal conceded was typical of us when there were a number of chances to clear which weren’t taken. In the air, we are poor at the back. Shrewsbury had at least 3 clear unmarked headers from corners in the second half.
Midfield was just lost. We have reverted to last season’s Parkinson hoofing. We just hit the ball forward and hope. Defensively, the midfield allowed acres of space to Shrewsbury and were totally outclassed.
Forward-wise, Murphy missed 2 good chances but, in reality, he is starved of the ball by our inability to play forward.
This was yet another opportunity for 3 points wasted. Relegation looks an absolute certainty to me.
Marks:-
Matthews - 8 An incredible double save near the end which definitely rescued a point for us.
Emmanuel - 5 The understanding that he once had with Dodoo has gone.
Earl - 6 A few good runs out of defence.
Wright - 5 Reasonably solid but too many clearances going straight to the opposition.
Bridcutt - 4 Injured but very little of note before the injury
Murphy L - 2 Was he on the field? Hard to think of anything positive in his play. Appalling bad passing.
Lowe - 1 Irrespective of the sending off, he was dreadful. Hardly any decent passes. He has reverted to last season, i.e. a hoofer. The sending off was well deserved and condemned us to 30+ minutes of out and out defence.
Dodoo - 3 Another one who contributed little. It is as though we have a team of 11 strangers on the pitch at the moment.
Darcy - 7 Shining light in a desolate performance. He moved around well, put in a magnificent centre for Murphy’s chance. He is still slight and gets knocked off the ball easily but he played well.
Murphy D - 5 Two great headed chances which should have brought something. Second half, he was totally isolated.
Verlinden - 6 Quality finish for the goal but flattered to deceive a lot of the time.
Chicksen - 5 No better or worse than the rest of the defence.
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Post by andyl on Dec 29, 2019 19:46:31 GMT
Strange game! In the end the defence deserved a lot of credit hanging on for 30 minutes with relatively few scares. One splendid double save by Matthews was a highlight.
In the first half we were just about the better team once Chicksen replaced Bridcutt and balanced the defence. Yes we had seen a moment of sublime left back skill from Earl but he looked happier in the middle. Indeed it was an excellent Chicksen tackle that allowed Darcy to break away and fashion Verlinden's delightful goal on the counter attack. Prior to that Verlinden's superb cross was all but converted by Daryl Murphy.
Meanwhile Jason Lowe was having an all round bad day messing up passes and being overrun. In a moment of madness he atrempted a double footed tackle more reminiscentbof a Jackie Pallo drop kick than anything deserving of a football audience Stupidity defined.
Anyway I do think Earl who had a couple of good driving runs, the defence generally and Darcy throughout played very well . Darcy filled in competently when Verlinden was withdrawn in addition to his energetic running.. A worthy draw albeit with a sryle far removed from early season and the vaunted new way of playing. Substitutions were slow and the last took four or five minutes to action. I daresay Keith Hill's instructions take quite a time- 10 words for every meaningful one?
Matthews 8 Emmanuel 7 Bridcutt 3 Earl 8 Wright 7 Chicksen 7 Verlinden 7 Lowe Minus 2? Darcy 8 L Murphy 6 D Murphy 6 Dodoo 4
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Post by bonaparte on Dec 29, 2019 22:23:40 GMT
Unusual for David and Andy to score so differently. My view is 8 for keeper, Verlinden and Darcy, 2 for Lowe (trade mark double footed tackle) and D and L Murphy, 6 for rest. 4 for KH. Set up best of a bad lot, but tactics, apart from pressing, back to bad old, heading and hoofing. Perhaps we were hustled out of good play, but long throw ins, long goal kicks to an indifferent receiver, aimless heading conceding possession at every turn, wont win any pots. Why, when defending a point, did we just hoof the ball, when if we kept it, they could not harm us. Ok a point, ok they defended well but points lost not gained,
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 29, 2019 22:49:42 GMT
I tend to agree with you David, we are a poor outfit and if we were going to survive this season, should have won games like this. That we can’t just tells me that the challenge is just too great. Going forward, I think FV have a choice to make on two fronts, firstly, is there any point investing in January when the task looks hopeless anyway and secondly, is KH the right man to lead us next year. I’m not convinced he’s got the best from what he has and as you say, the football is dire and is actually even worse than with Parky, if that’s possible. At least I knew what Parkys system was and what he was trying to do, whereas with KH I just have no idea. Maybe the earlier pass and move was just an accident because it’s history now. Since BSA left the club,we have in my opinion recruited successively worse managers and I fear with KH we are continuing that trend.
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Post by kenglowhite on Dec 30, 2019 9:43:56 GMT
I do not agree, 63, that this was the sort of game we should have won, as the Shrews are a pretty talented side and way up the table, 32 points against our actual 18, but set against our performance v Fleetwood it shows that KH has allowed things to deteriorate. He shouted down those of us who had relished the return of Bridcutt to defensive midfield, and though his injury was incurred in making a simple clearance I think the efforts of playing at the back simply have told on him. I hope KH will find a way of restoring our faith in him with some decent signings in the next week or so, and a more creative approach without Lowe. It seems O'Grady isn't the subsidiary striker KH expected him to be, and without assistance Daryl Murphy is undoubtedly showing his age, and missed a couple of relatively easy head chances yesterday. Unlike Madine he is not commanding in the air either. So I am looking for signings at centre half, centre midfield and striker in the window, as well as hopefully retaining the services of the talented Verlinden (why does KH always sub him first?). Earl , and the experienced Wright, whose smaller stature needs a bigger guy alongside. I wonder if Hobbs is likely to endure the same fate as the unfortunate Alnwick. Finally I hope KH will start to use one word instead of the usual fifty to inspire his team, as Andy has so graciously pointed out. In other words, KH, we thank you for how far you have taken us to date, but we wil judge you on the progress made after the January Window, and hopefully 63's criticsm today will not have to rise to the ultimate crescendo.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 30, 2019 12:13:59 GMT
Strange as i think individually these players are all league one standard at the very least but collectively keep conceding these scrappy goals and yesterday hardly got in the opponents box. Like Keith Hill has read Parkys autobiography "How to set up teams and motivate people".
I think we have to lose Hobbs, Buckley and Bridcutt for numbers and bring in 3 a centre back, midfielder and striker.
Easier said than done with no money to spend.
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Post by whitesince63 on Dec 30, 2019 13:00:12 GMT
I do not agree, 63, that this was the sort of game we should have won, as the Shrews are a pretty talented side and way up the table, 32 points against our actual 18, but set against our performance v Fleetwood it shows that KH has allowed things to deteriorate. He shouted down those of us who had relished the return of Bridcutt to defensive midfield, and though his injury was incurred in making a simple clearance I think the efforts of playing at the back simply have told on him. I hope KH will find a way of restoring our faith in him with some decent signings in the next week or so, and a more creative approach without Lowe. It seems O'Grady isn't the subsidiary striker KH expected him to be, and without assistance Daryl Murphy is undoubtedly showing his age, and missed a couple of relatively easy head chances yesterday. Unlike Madine he is not commanding in the air either. So I am looking for signings at centre half, centre midfield and striker in the window, as well as hopefully retaining the services of the talented Verlinden (why does KH always sub him first?). Earl , and the experienced Wright, whose smaller stature needs a bigger guy alongside. I wonder if Hobbs is likely to endure the same fate as the unfortunate Alnwick. Finally I hope KH will start to use one word instead of the usual fifty to inspire his team, as Andy has so graciously pointed out. In other words, KH, we thank you for how far you have taken us to date, but we wil judge you on the progress made after the January Window, and hopefully 63's criticsm today will not have to rise to the ultimate crescendo. All about opinions I suppose Kenglo. It’s easy to be critical and maybe I am being a bit harsh on KH but I’m just not sure what he’s trying to achieve with the team. At least with Parky you knew what that was and though you didn’t like it you weren’t surprised or disappointed because you expected it. KH seemed to start off well with the team passing and moving quickly, which was encouraging and good to watch. Two winger in Verlinden and Politic and Bridcutt superb in midfield but suddenly it just seemed to stop and KH changed things completely trying both O’Grady and Dodoo on the wings instead. Whilst Dodoo has had some success, O’Grady was just never suited to that. Personally I’d go back to Verlinden and Politic wide with Dodoo or O’Grady in the middle supporting Murphy. We can all be managers without the responsibility and of course KH sees the players in training so as I said previously, the buck stops with him and FV have to decide if he’s the man they think can deliver going forward. I don’t though want to hear excuses about not having money or transfer embargo’s because unlike Parkinson he was fully aware of the dire situation before he came here. I’m not trying to be negative here but for me the jury’s still out on Hilly. He was never a choice for me but I am prepared to give him at least this season to prove me wrong so let’s hope we can get 3 points against Burton to kick start 2020. One last thing Regarding your description of Alnwick as “unfortunate.” I don’t know the circumstances but since he has taken the opportunity to immediately join Sunderland, I reserve judgement that he was unfortunate. He has been under contract yet not turned out in our hours of need so the “Mental Health” he’s reported to have been suffering might not have been quite what it seems? Time will tell but his “illness” obviously hasn’t put off the Mackems.
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Post by thegrud1 on Dec 30, 2019 19:10:55 GMT
Cant really understand the criticisms of the players... a gutsy performance from every player when we went down to 10 men...every player put in 110%.....cant play passing football 10 v 11...set yourself to defend and go long to lone striker hoping we get a break,,,,we are not Barcelona !
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Post by kenglowhite on Dec 30, 2019 19:13:48 GMT
I am entirely in agreement with you 63 (didn't know about Alnwick and PP, though) and merely expressed the hope that Keith would understand your warning and up his game. I did make suggestions on how he might achieve that,too. and in line with Oom I am hoping he will come good on that front. At this stage of a manager's time with us I know you are usually right. I just hope he doesn't make it necessary for FV to follow our advice, though I have my doubts.
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Post by cadders on Dec 30, 2019 20:03:01 GMT
Does anybody know when the New Independent Committee is sitting to decide our fate?
If we get another points reduction, there maybe a case for taking it this season as we don't want any fall out to next season.
Yes, it would mean certain relegation but thst's odds on now anyway (bookies don't get many things wrong). This would completely change our January transfer window approach.
What do people think?
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Post by OohMac on Dec 30, 2019 21:24:55 GMT
Does anybody know when the New Independent Committee is sitting to decide our fate? If we get another points reduction, there maybe a case for taking it this season as we don't want any fall out to next season. Yes, it would mean certain relegation but thst's odds on now anyway (bookies don't get many things wrong). This would completely change our January transfer window approach. What do people think? Call me sad Cadders but ive given this some thought. Ive looked at the last 10 games what kind of points are being picked up and made a projection. Without being scintillating weve picked up more points, averaging a point and a half in the last 10 games. With Rochale and Mk Dons at .6 and .8. If that form holds up the table will end up like this. Wimbledon 52 Bolton 43 __________ Tranmere 38 Rochdale 35 Southend 14. So you may argue that a team may have played better teams, more away times possibly hampered by cup comps but i think 10 games is a pretty decent chunk to look at, almost a quarter of a season and i think we have players to come back and possibly strengthening in Jan. (They all might though) So no if we can chose to take the punishment next season we have to put it off. If we survived we know that we can overcome a smaller deficit as weve done it before. So until its done we have to still believe we can do this.
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