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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 12, 2019 10:49:49 GMT
Having read the latest from the BN on the fight for the hotel, and hearing from other sources of the possible involvement of people like Sullivan, the West Ham co-chairman, I am starting to wonder if the whole business aims of these people is anything but the salvation of our club. Sharron Brittan is a "developer", Geoff Thomas is a financier, Parmindar Basran is an investor, and even our so-called local fan Michael James is a developer of commercial sites. Apart from the hotel, there is wide scope for extending commercial development of the site, particularly if the football arena is not required. I find it quite eerie that none of the above buyers have consented to press interviews for reassurance under the protection that seems to be given them by administration rules. Isn't time the BN, one of whose prime sales markets is us supporters, started some serious digging ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 12:01:49 GMT
I agree entirely Kenglo. I know that there were confidentiality clauses in place, but surely the doors are open now for someone in FV to make a statement of intent for the club. Admittedly, they don't own the club yet, but surely FV could bring us up to speed and give Iles something concrete to report.
I can see Bassini complaining that the rules of confidentiality were breached too.
Imagine, his deal with Sullivan being accepted and BWFC having to lease the stadium. Shows you that the Southerners, with all their money, see property in the North as rich pickings for when the economy improves.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 12, 2019 14:15:25 GMT
Actually, it may in a roundabout sort of way be a bonus for the new owners to be property developers if they could see development potential for the land and look to relocate the club to a cheaper site closer to Bolton centre. There’s no doubt that we lost a number of fans moving to Horwich and if a way could be found to relocate back again it may be a good thing. With Bury in the state they’re in too, how about a ground share if land could be found somewhere between the two like Radcliffe? Of course Bury may not want to do this and of course neither may FV and we may be way off beam with that thought but with both ourselves and Bury stretched for cash to run our clubs it may be a positive solution and certainly one that’s worth discussing given the closeness of our two town centres. When I was a kid it was Bury one week and Wanderers the next so why not be like that again?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 15:52:39 GMT
Whites, you come up with the correct suggestion of moving the club back to near Bolton Town Centre and then go shoot yourself in th foot by suggesting a relocation to Radcliffe. The club belongs in town imo and the best lacation would be from Breightmet St to Lower Bridgeman St. Close to town and the transportation hub.
Like you, I used to go watch Bury as a kid too, when BWFC were away, but also Burnley, Blackburn, City, Utd.
A ground share with Bury... out of the question.
Just wish someone from FV would stand up and be counted. Thelonger the silence the more doubtful the sale.
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Post by OohMac on Jul 12, 2019 21:27:59 GMT
Saying ground share with Bury is like red flag to a bull but if you detach yourself and think if AC and Inter can make it work then why not. especially as were both in the mire.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 13, 2019 8:10:22 GMT
63 I feel you're assuming there is a will to keep football. I wish I felt so sure as you. Why mess around with all the aggravation of football, when there's easier money in land development?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 13, 2019 8:59:57 GMT
63 I feel you're assuming there is a will to keep football. I wish I felt so sure as you. Why mess around with all the aggravation of football, when there's easier money in land development? But surely Kenglo, if all the consortium were interested in was the land, wouldn’t it be preferable for them to allow the club to go into liquidation. That would effectively finish the football side and make the whole transaction much simpler and cheaper? I believe they are focussed on the football side whilst acknowledging the value of the real estate as well. I actually also think the football side can be profitable if run properly and with the earnings potential available from better utilisation of the hotel and stadium could be a nice little earner. I don’t believe the stadium has ever been used efficiently by previous owners so I’m not as pessimistic as you on the plans FV might have for the club. I still though maintain that a move back to the Bolton area would be beneficial and I also still believe that a potential ground share with Bury would make sense, even if not universally popular. Also, isn’t there a restriction on use of the stadium to football which Anderson tried to lift?
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 13, 2019 9:10:07 GMT
While I hope you are right, 63, at the same time I have to point out that none of the consortium are said to have previous football experience, while there is much in land development. Some people in London with football connections have told me that this group are working on borrowed money in any case, which suggests speculation on development and quick turnover. I go back to my point that there has not been a single utterance from these folk on their football intentions, while other property minded characters are in the background apparently sniffing out a share of the end product. Shouldn't we have learned by now which other bidders were involved >?
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Post by whitesince63 on Jul 13, 2019 13:03:45 GMT
Fully agree that FV should have made statements about football intentions before now Kenglo, they just seem to be hiding behind the fact nothing’s been signed yet and I do agree that’s a worry. My fear is that if they don’t get the hotel they will walk like they did previously and frankly, I wouldn’t blame them since it’s probably the most profitable part of the set up. However, the season is fast approaching and if things are going on in the background then at least say something to ease the stress of the fans. Surely as a fan himself, Michael James must understand the frustration that’s building. Will we have players, is Parky staying and how much will season tickets be. I think we accept that no firm confirmations can be made but this total silence is surely just totally unacceptable?
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 15, 2019 8:35:54 GMT
As you all will no doubt have noticed, another promised statement deadline has passed. Is it that FV are now being outbid by the London Mafia ?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 12:34:00 GMT
Yes, glowhite, not only that, only 20 days to the start of the season. No owner; no settled team; (no manager?). Makes you wonder what the holdup is. Well, it seems that the hotel is the holdup at present, but who's to say? Nothing decided either way. Not even the EFL meeting on the cancelled Brentford game. More points deducted? How can there not be, unless of course it's as I have posted before, with Brentford gaining the 3 points. If there's more points deducted, then for me relegation is a nailed on certainty. To think that some posters on the BN site wanted a relegation to Div 4 with no points deducted. One step away from following Notts County out of the League imo.
Not only that, there's still the possibility, as you imply in your post, that FV could pull out of the deal.
Now where would that put us?
Are the players still on strike, as whites 63 suggests?
Has there been any contact with the season ticket holders from the club? Will the upper parts of the stadium be open, or just the lower?
Anyone had contact from the Supporters Trust?
So many questions and no answers.
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Post by kenglowhite on Jul 15, 2019 13:22:06 GMT
Brilliant summary, wots. We certainly deserve better, and indeed where is the Supporters trust? THey should be garnering the truth from somewhere. Meantime the BN feeds us the now played-out Amir Khan is a lollipop to suck while they still fail to dig up anything worthwhile. I see 16 groups of Arsenal fans have written to their owner demanding something better. What can we do under much worse circumstances?
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Post by OohMac on Jul 15, 2019 14:44:03 GMT
The argument for 4th division with no penalty isnt that odd as youve said werr relegation certainties. So in 12 months we would be heading down to Div 4 anyway. So would we benfit the young players playing in a lower standard.
We would probably be favourites for promotion in League 2 this season even with the kids and one or two additions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 15:45:09 GMT
The argument for 4th division with no penalty isnt that odd as youve said werr relegation certainties. So in 12 months we would be heading down to Div 4 anyway. So would we benfit the young players playing in a lower standard. We would probably be favourites for promotion in League 2 this season even with the kids and one or two additions. I think you're playing devil's advocate on this one KenUn. It's absurd with the state of the club to think that going directly to Div 4 gives us a chance of staying up. At present we can't even field a team of regulars. At least being in Lge 1/Div 3 whatever they want to call it now gives us a chance to stabilize the club, even if it means relegation again. There is the off chance that it could be avoided, but I doubt it. The same could happen in Lge 2/Div 4. and then we'd be out of the league. There are a lot more established teams in both lower divisions than we are at present. Read my post again. We don't have an owner; manager unknown (if it's Parky... I've read your thread/posts on Parky); no team, so at least if we do get an owner, then we are in Lge 1 as relegation favourites, which I think we would be in Lge 2. parky, or not as manager. Who's asking the questions? Where's Iles? The Supporters Trust? The old guard i.e. ex players? Where's AndyL and greydad, don't they have an opinion even?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2019 15:46:34 GMT
The argument for 4th division with no penalty isnt that odd as youve said werr relegation certainties. So in 12 months we would be heading down to Div 4 anyway. So would we benfit the young players playing in a lower standard. We would probably be favourites for promotion in League 2 this season even with the kids and one or two additions. I think you're playing devil's advocate on this one KenUn. It's absurd with the state of the club to think that going directly to Lge 2/Div 4 gives us a chance of staying up. At present we can't even field a team of regulars. Qu: whites 63. Are they still on strike? At least being in Lge 1/Div 3 whatever they want to call it now gives us a chance to stabilize the club, even if it means relegation again. There is the off chance that it could be avoided, but I doubt it. The same could happen in Lge 2/Div 4. and then we'd be out of the league. There are a lot more established teams in both lower divisions than we are at present. Read my post again. We don't have an owner; manager unknown (if it's Parky... I've read your thread/posts on Parky); no team, so at least if we do get an owner, then we are in Lge 1 as relegation favourites, which I think we would be in Lge 2. parky, or not as manager. Who's asking the questions? Where's Iles? The Supporters Trust? The old guard i.e. ex players? Where's AndyL and greydad (as per whites 63), don't they have an opinion even?
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