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Post by andyl on Apr 29, 2019 19:15:42 GMT
If Ken Anderson puts us into administration tomorrow then maybe the blame can be assigned to him. To date with no money at all he has avoided it to the last. The players have brought deductions into play and maybe expulsion- this is at their door.
I haven't spoken with KA since October but if I met him now on my journey home as from time to time I briefly sometimes once did,I'd love to ask him if he had his time again would he a) sack Phil P earlier or b) stamp out further rebellions by more player disciplinary action taken afterthe pre- season strike
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Apr 29, 2019 19:27:27 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 29, 2019 19:27:27 GMT
As I’ve said previously, I’ll only ever remember the legends of this club and every single member of current squad, management and owner have let the town of Bolton down and for that, I wouldn’t want to see any one of them at my club ever again. Apart from that, they are completely shit players I any case and never ever worthy of the shirt. New broom sweeps clean but I’m not liking Bassini’s Broom at all, even if it appears to sweep better than Anderson’s
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Post by andyl on Apr 29, 2019 19:42:09 GMT
I'm not sure I 100% agree that Ken has treated the players despicably.David
Some very average journeymen have been recruited within an unaffordable playing budget ( a real error) and given quite pleasant lives sometimes at his expense. I'd love to know if Phil or the Andersons made these recuitment choices.
Secondly in public and in commentary he was pretty loyal in public unti latterly...
And he was under attack from the Supporters' Trust, the BN and fans fora from the off after the fall out with Dean Holdsworth
So, with those qualifying comments I can then sign up to an argument that the club spiralled into further disarray under his tenure. If in due course worse areas of criticism emerge I would not be amazed but he does deserve credit for keeping us going. It is obviously very poor to employ staff you can't afford and then not pay them. I've never understood why in football the avenues of reorganisation and compulsory redundancy are never used when so many clubs like ours overreach their capacity to manage cashflow.. Ken must accept that the buck stops with him for this. Have any of you ever let someone go or pursued redundancies. It's not pleasant but at least there are legal processes and protections.
Football seems to be a law unto itself and apart from the laws of the land which is why there have been so many scandals and suspicions of corruption. KA has probably operated in ways alien to me but not so alien to those in football?
Meanwhile Miriam Karlin made a much better job of calling strikes as indeed the great Peter Sellers before. At least they were funny.( this for older forum members!) Bwfc's strikers are unfunny save only for us to wish that we had some proper strikers or to muse 'strike from what.
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Apr 29, 2019 20:05:06 GMT
Post by kenglowhite on Apr 29, 2019 20:05:06 GMT
I think most on here have the non-trade-union view, summmed up beautifully by andyl. There is a vicious circle of poor signings, poor coaching and selection, lack of excitement and therefore shortage of paying spectators, thus Ken Anderson unable to pay off the Parkinson management team, and then the compounding of everything with failed players taking this strike action, the effect of which the club and us, the loyal supporters, will suffer for many years to come. And here again, those who say what a nice chap PP is, he has once again failed to get the best out of his troops, this time off the field. Unless there is a quick resolution, not through Bassini, I hope, we supporters have little to look forward to. Ken has run out of or withdrawn money at a crucial time, and there are those around the club who could and should have controlled the off-field situation much better. I hope to hear something of potential reconciliation of these problems soonest, although it would be a brave man to take on the annual overhead needed to run the teams and stadium.
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Apr 29, 2019 21:51:46 GMT
Post by Alptrotter on Apr 29, 2019 21:51:46 GMT
“So, with those qualifying comments I can then sign up to an argument that the club spiralled into further disarray under his [KA’s] tenure. If in due course worse areas of criticism emerge I would not be amazed but he does deserve credit for keeping us going. “
Does he really deserve credit, Andy? It’s very difficult to give KA credit for anything, at least for the past four months or more. Surely, knowing, as he must have done, the stark financial reality that we are all now becoming more aware of, and recognising that, in no small part because of his own inaction, the team was in free fall on the pitch ( since January, how many of us have actually believed we could escape relegation?) surely he should have put the club into administration, taken the points hit ( which would have made no effective difference) and enabled some more caring owners to emerge.
For me, KA bears the lion’s share of the responsibility for the financial and legal mess in which the club now finds itself. One can argue about the wisdom of the players’ strike and Parky’s utter inadequacy, but there surely is one clear candidate as the principal architect of the whole wretched mess.
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Apr 29, 2019 22:18:41 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Apr 29, 2019 22:18:41 GMT
I really dont know why the club wasnt sold immediately after the Peterborough game but especially after the Forest game.
I dont know why Admin wasnt done months ago. There was never going to be a sale.
I dont know why Davies loaned Ken £5M but set the proviso that shares would be taken if this wasnt set up. And then nothing.
Think the players could work out that wages werent getting paid. They probably know people from Watford days and know of LB and how detached he is from reality and money.
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Apr 30, 2019 8:31:44 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 30, 2019 8:31:44 GMT
A mate of mine who is a Leeds fan always harps back to the time of when David O’Leary and Peter Ridsdale we’re running the club. As a fan, he admits to riding the crest of a wave when they were not only competing with, but bettering the so called top 4 Prem clubs in the spending market and dining at the top table of European football, but of course, that all came at a price and very nearly threw them into a financial crisis. I’m not saying we are anything like Leeds but as we are all going on about Ken and Laurence, is it not a fair point to go as far back to the start of the Gartside, Davies and Big Sam era to ascertain where today’s problems lie? I don’t profess to know the ins and outs of all of our financial issues but like most clubs that pay their way to success, they also come to a point when it turns sour as the good times don’t last forever. I can clearly see a future model here whereby clubs similar to ours will suffer the same fate as we are suffering, the likes of Watford, Huddersfield, Fulham etc whilst the PFA and EFL idly sit back and watch clubs like ours head towards extinction. I always remember a quote from Jimmy Greaves on Saint and Greavsie all them years ago “when SKY have washed their hands with football and they turn to Volleyball or sum’fink, where will that leave our football clubs” I’m not saying that is anyway about to happen as it’s a billion pound industry but you never know🤔🤔🤔🤔 Football is in grave danger so says the voice of doooooom😬😂
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Apr 30, 2019 9:26:31 GMT
Post by whitesince63 on Apr 30, 2019 9:26:31 GMT
It's no good looking back and pointing fingers rftr, we all knew at the time that we were living above our means and eventually ED would either pull out or sell up. I still feel that there was something not revealed that put buyers off when ED was selling. With all the assets of the club and debt being as good as wiped, we should have been a steal for any buyer, even with EDs £15mln kick back once in the PL. something put people off and allowed KA and Deano in. One day I'm sure the truth will out but for me looking forward I'd rather take our chances with Administration than with LB, which we can clearly see would be another train wreck waiting to happen. This club deserves a responsible and trustworthy owner plus a dedicated and competent team and manager. Right now we've never been further away from all those things so let's just hope and pray that there is someone who will save us.
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May 1, 2019 21:24:33 GMT
Post by cadders on May 1, 2019 21:24:33 GMT
Re the players contracts, surely they have a clause that says if they withold their services for any reason they won't get paid. If any of us went on strike we wouldn't get paid so why are they different. It might be a moot point given the PFA loan, but it's another reason for Ken not to pay them for the last week etc.. Any lawyers out there?
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May 1, 2019 21:35:52 GMT
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Post by OohMac on May 1, 2019 21:35:52 GMT
Re the players contracts, surely they have a clause that says if they withold their services for any reason they won't get paid. If any of us went on strike we wouldn't get paid so why are they different. It might be a moot point given the PFA loan, but it's another reason for Ken not to pay them for the last week etc.. Any lawyers out there? Not really. People strike all the time. Teachers, Health services even firefighters just on November 5th as they know. Surely youve driven passed or honked a bunch of people with placards
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May 1, 2019 21:39:33 GMT
Post by cadders on May 1, 2019 21:39:33 GMT
Take your point, but the last time I agreed to strike I didnt get paid, albeit a long tme ago. Out of interest did the people you mentiom still get paid?
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May 1, 2019 21:55:37 GMT
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Post by OohMac on May 1, 2019 21:55:37 GMT
Take your point, but the last time I agreed to strike I didnt get paid, albeit a long tme ago. Out of interest did the people you mentiom still get paid? Pretty sure that they did, in all cases, get paid. But could be wrong.
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May 2, 2019 18:31:24 GMT
Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 18:31:24 GMT
Well seems like its gonna be admin LB says if Bolton are deducted 12 points he will with draw his bid and also claims he has found another £12 million in debts ,personaly I think he has not got the money to carry on and is just looking for a way out , guess it is wait and see once again .
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May 3, 2019 7:34:07 GMT
Post by Alptrotter on May 3, 2019 7:34:07 GMT
Take your point, but the last time I agreed to strike I didnt get paid, albeit a long tme ago. Out of interest did the people you mentiom still get paid? Pretty sure that they did, in all cases, get paid. But could be wrong. No, striking public sector workers do not get paid. At least I didn’t when I did ( if you see what I mean!) If the players do play Brentford in a rearranged game, then, of course they should be paid. If they don’t, what argument can they possibly have against pay being proportionally docked? I Must say, I don’t really follow A Taylor’s argument in the BN. Is he suggesting we forfeit the game? That’s usually 0-3, isn’t it? Perhaps he thinks if this lot of duffers actually did play, 0-3 would be a better result than they’d achieve.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 3, 2019 8:52:19 GMT
I think the reason he doesn't want to play is a lot more basic than that Alp, the players are scared because they know whatever sympathy they might have enjoyed earlier from fans has now turned to anger and contempt. They can hide in front of a few hundred at Forest but there's no hiding place at home. His attempt at reasoning missing the Brentford game is childish at best. Surely they can't be unaware of the damage their actions are doing to the club on top of everything else yet they just carry on with their actions.
Best of all is that each and every one of them now has the opportunity to walk away without penalty according to EFL rules, so if they're so unhappy let them do that like Olkovski has done. At least that's honourable. The fact they haven't just proves its greed and greed only that drives them. Hopefully, assuming a takeover by a genuine owner, there will be a wholesale clear out of every first team squad member for next season, contracted or not because I for one don't want to ever see any of them soil our white shirt next season and that includes the likes of Wheater who I thought better of but now completely let down.
As far as that coward Parkinson, where is he in all of this? Skulked off to keep his head down instead of standing up to be counted. This is the guy that thinks he's got the capability to stay on as manager. Just how deluded can these cretins be? The whole lot of them have lost any respect supporters may have had but the saddest thing of all is that they are just too thick to see it!!
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