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Apr 28, 2019 17:08:37 GMT
Post by thegrud1 on Apr 28, 2019 17:08:37 GMT
*****In one fell swoop they have killed any support or sympathy, genuine supporters **** as I,ve said many times what would you do if your boss deliberatley withheld your wages for 2 month.....the players and staff have my full support....we live in the real world...bills need to be paid...food bought....mortgages paid etc.................*****I thought the owner was dispicable but it seems he's to the only one infesting the club......***** SERIUOSLY? ?Laughable
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Apr 28, 2019 17:54:10 GMT
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Post by OohMac on Apr 28, 2019 17:54:10 GMT
Many of the players are not contracted for next season so they know the bolton nightmare will soon be over.
Obviously Bassini is not going to pay the wages until its a done thing but what he could do is to get them back on side and say the money is definitely there, contracts will be discussed with anyone, whoever wants out we will allow to go but we need 8 players or so to play with youngsters for two more games. For the fans, so were not starting next season with a huge points defecit and a fine they cant afford.
The players must have heard what he had to say and smelt bullshine.
Why admin was not done in March, why the adjournment was 6 weeks when we requested 1 im not sure.
Had the courts got tougher then there wouldnt be so much confusion.
On the Pawel thing, hes handed in his notice. Thats fine but my message to him would be that play these games and we will agree to sell him. If we could get near a million for him. Then he cpuld go knowing hes ensured all his teammates get paid. If no one offers then he can walk anyway.
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Apr 29, 2019 8:03:26 GMT
Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2019 8:03:26 GMT
*****In one fell swoop they have killed any support or sympathy, genuine supporters **** as I,ve said many times what would you do if your boss deliberatley withheld your wages for 2 month.....the players and staff have my full support....we live in the real world...bills need to be paid...food bought....mortgages paid etc.................*****I thought the owner was dispicable but it seems he's to the only one infesting the club......***** SERIUOSLY? ?Laughable Everybody was behind the players on this wages issue grud and I totally agree that everybody should have been paid, fully and on time. Whether or not these guys earn far more than the average fan is also irrelevant, they do still have bills to pay and families to look after. I don't for one minute disagree with any of that but these guys are perfectly aware of the situation the club is in with this owner and that he has absolutely no intention of changing his stance, whatever they do. Had this happened in January with the remainder of the season to come, I could have had some sympathy for their actions but we were two games and eight days from season's end and already subject to potential actions against the club by the EFL. Surely they knew their actions would pile significant damage onto a club that most of them, including management, won't be with next year. Why support a bunch of selfish, disingenuous individuals who frankly don't give a stuff about you, me and others at the club? I entirely stick by my view and that another week to wait until action can be taken through the proper channels would have saved the club being damaged further than it already is and I'm surprised that genuine fans like yourself can't see this.
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Apr 29, 2019 8:44:23 GMT
Post by kenglowhite on Apr 29, 2019 8:44:23 GMT
Totally agree with the logic of this. Another point strikes me. Don't the EFL have some further payments to make which would cover the player wages. I have to say any swingeing punishments by the EFL against the club (why not the players?) should be vigorously fought on the basis of their allowing ownership of the club to someone who basically lacked the necessary resources. For instance, we are now looking for someone with about £50M to invest, and not with borrowed money. I, too, look for comments still from the Davies family, Brett Warburton and Michael James.Something needs to be done, AND very soon.
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Apr 29, 2019 8:53:43 GMT
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 29, 2019 8:53:43 GMT
*****In one fell swoop they have killed any support or sympathy, genuine supporters **** as I,ve said many times what would you do if your boss deliberatley withheld your wages for 2 month.....the players and staff have my full support....we live in the real world...bills need to be paid...food bought....mortgages paid etc.................*****I thought the owner was dispicable but it seems he's to the only one infesting the club......***** SERIUOSLY? ?Laughable Wow Grud, I do admire your stance in protecting these striking players, albeit you’re dig at Whites63 should be saved for the happy clapping Bolton News threads as we are a friendly forum 🙂🙂🙂 On the “they have bills to pay” I agree Grud, but as it’s all relative to earnings and outgoings, there’s a massive difference to their finances than say yours or mine. Even if our players live in Hale Barns or Heaton their outgoings wouldn’t differ that much from ours!! Mortgage £1500 per month Council Tax £250 month Gas £200 month Electric £200 month Water £100 month Sky £130 month Food £1200 month Travel £2000 month Total £6k per month there or there abouts I’m being over the top here but if they take a minimum £3000 per week that’s roughly £13k per month. That’s where my sympathy for the “they have bills to pay” statement stops
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Apr 29, 2019 10:29:01 GMT
Post by thegrud1 on Apr 29, 2019 10:29:01 GMT
******On the “they have bills to pay” I agree Grud, but as it’s all relative to earnings and outgoings, there’s a massive difference to their finances than say yours or mine. Even if our players live in Hale Barns or Heaton their outgoings wouldn’t differ that much from ours!!**** Loans / car/school fees there are so many you left off the list....I garantee that anyone here who had not been payed for 2 month and had a boss who has no intention of paying wages,would be on their way pretty sharpish
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Apr 29, 2019 14:55:18 GMT
Post by andyl on Apr 29, 2019 14:55:18 GMT
My take on this does not seem to be much in line with others of you but it goes like this.
1. There is no point initiating industrial action if there is no-one against whom to take it. Burnden Leisure is probably between owners. Players have been badly advised and are in effect likely to compound the club's miseries by adding financial penalties, points deductions or even expulsion from the league by their unprecedented and myopic actions.
2. How feeble is the PFA, quietly invoking or colluding with strike action that can achieve nothing? But is in effect only a protest?. That's a pretty naive sort of union support
3. Aren't strikes supposed to be preceded by ballots. If there really was a PFA principle at issue shouldn't all PFA members be ballotted and all PFA players withdraw their labour in solidarity. And shouldn't they be clear what their objectives are, I would argue v the EFL and the EPL who are the ultimate cause of the economic problems most clubs face and which could lead to the non-payment of many players and probably has!)
4. Why strike against the fans and name of the club- which is in effect what has happened here, especially with two games to go
5 This hasn't happened yet but why is the PFA tolerating an EFL which seems to be encouraging younger players to become what once were termed scabs- this is as disgraceful an aspect of this as any
In sum it's an ill focused, local strike with no clear purpose and no clear target. It's not fit to be called a strike and should be condemned without reservation
6. If, as is reported, Pawel Olkowski has served two weeks' notice, it's the first sensible act of player leadership seen ( not weakness of a confused and frustrated foreign language speaker as the BN have portrayed. It is his absolute right and should have been the path for any player who wished to protect their own interests and one no-one could argue against. The PFA would have been more honestly placed taking a supportive role for any players taking this approach.
7. Phil Parkinson is the Manager. Where is his voice in all this? I'm not here arguing that he should have played an active role and tried to lead the players- it's obviously difficult for him to do so but I do argue that he could have. Statistically he's proved the worst manager BWFC have ever had at this level? I haven't checked but I bet it's not far out relative to home fixtures. The BN reports that he believes he has the credentials to stay on in Div 1, Most people like him and respect him as a man and exonerate much for reason of context and dignity. I like many have had enough of his involvement with football disagreeing with his player judgments and finding him really rather limited of vision. But what a chance he was offered here in a completely leaderless vacuum. If he'd stepped up, taken the pressure off the players, stood up to KA, and been prepared to resign himself and had come through it he would surely have had a much better chance of keeping his job from the moral high ground. But he has seemingly chosen to sit on the fence and seek to be popular with players and has served only to lose their respect to the extent that they have mutinied
8 And finally, which PFA and all concerned should have seen- these striking players will forever be viewed with suspicion by potential future employers, both as troublemakers and not very good footballers. Much of that will be unfair because they have been victims of poor management and the financial chaos that has subsumed all in its wake. Ken A will no doubt retain his position as master villain in all this but how poorly have the players been served by others and by the ringleaders within their own group!
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Apr 29, 2019 17:08:00 GMT
Post by one2many on Apr 29, 2019 17:08:00 GMT
I agree with your points Andy. Two games to go and with no one sure who is in charge, I fail to see what benefit will be obtained. Clearly the players should be paid and I understand their frustration, but KA doesn't care and LA will probably walk away or not pass the test, so who are they protesting against exactly? Just feign injury and let whoever wants to to play the last two games.
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Apr 29, 2019 17:16:14 GMT
Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2019 17:16:14 GMT
******On the “they have bills to pay” I agree Grud, but as it’s all relative to earnings and outgoings, there’s a massive difference to their finances than say yours or mine. Even if our players live in Hale Barns or Heaton their outgoings wouldn’t differ that much from ours!!**** Loans / car/school fees there are so many you left off the list....I garantee that anyone here who had not been payed for 2 month and had a boss who has no intention of paying wages,would be on their way pretty sharpish Grud, nobody disagrees with you that this situation is unacceptable and in a normal job unpaid for two months you're right, you'd probably walk. These players apart from Olkovski haven't walked though, they've taken the cowards route and refused to play. They have written, signed contracts and so have recourse to legal challenge, so they should eventually receive their pay. These are the facts but these are not normal jobs, so comparing to you and me is totally disingenuous. As Andy so eloquently put, their action is not against the perpetrator Ken Anderson but against a club which has no means to pay, has accounts frozen and is in the midst of takeover discussions, or more likely on the verge of collapse. Their actions are purely selfish and for me have both tarnished their reputations and insulted supporters who have so far backed them. If you really can't see the difference then frankly you're either choosing to ignore the facts or you're a raging trade unionist. I hope that on reflection, a number of the first team players will see the futility of their actions and the unnecessary damage being done to the club and fans and agree to play the two remaining fixtures. I don't believe for a minute that all of the players were 100% behind this in the first place but were likely encouraged by their more militant colleagues to follow this course. I'm sure with a little coaxing and understanding of the damage they will rethink. As for Parkinson, not surprised in the least. If he had any backbone at all he'd have either stood up to Ken earlier or walked. That he's done neither and is now hiding just sums him up perfectly for me.
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Apr 29, 2019 18:30:01 GMT
Post by davidm on Apr 29, 2019 18:30:01 GMT
My take on this does not seem to be much in line with others of you but it goes like this. Andy, - your take on this concurs 100% with my stated views. I agree totally with all 8 points. The players actions have only made a bad position even worse and we will pay for those actions next season when we start off behind everyone else (hopefully still in league 1).
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Apr 29, 2019 18:44:12 GMT
Post by thegrud1 on Apr 29, 2019 18:44:12 GMT
****These players apart from Olkovski haven't walked though, they've taken the cowards route and refused to play.***** I think its extremely brave and courageous of them I think some of these posts are a bit holier then thou
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Apr 29, 2019 18:54:48 GMT
Post by davidm on Apr 29, 2019 18:54:48 GMT
It's not a case of being holier than thou, Grud.
It is a case of looking to do the best for the club, supporters etc..
What the players have done is achieve nothing in respect of getting paid their due wages but they have inflicted very probable points deduction on us for next season and maybe even more severe sanctions.
Granted that the majority may not be with us next season but the damage they have done, added to the horrendous actions of Anderson and possibly Bassini too, does not bear well for our future.
One question for you - if we kick off next season with a points deduction because of refusing to play who is to blame?
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Apr 29, 2019 19:00:41 GMT
Post by thegrud1 on Apr 29, 2019 19:00:41 GMT
KEN ANDERSON ...its not rocket sciencw
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Post by andyl on Apr 29, 2019 19:05:52 GMT
I can only say, whites63, that no self respecting modern trade unionist would support this. They'd be going ballistic about members going UDI.
I see Greg Halford has raised similar angles of criticism. At the weekend. Keith Andrews agreed with grud that their action is brave.
It's such a shame that the BN reports so poorly. This ' strike' is both misguided and craven. There is nothing noble or brave to applaud And of course it offers insight into all the losses.
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Apr 29, 2019 19:09:46 GMT
Post by davidm on Apr 29, 2019 19:09:46 GMT
KEN ANDERSON ...its not rocket sciencw and no responsibility of the players? Everyone agrees that they have been treated despicably by Anderson - no argument at all. But their actions, however sympathetic we are to them, will lead to us getting a points deduction next season.
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