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Post by davidm on Mar 17, 2019 12:18:05 GMT
So now that the team have officially given up hope of staying in the championship, what do we to progress?
Should we make wholesale changes in the team in preparation for L1?
Who would you play in the first team between now and the end of the season? Should we try Hall, Pritchard, Earing, Connell, Oztumer?
On the assumption that we still have a club after Wednesday, what do we do at the end of the season?
I have listed all the players (in our enormous overladened squad) - who should be retained and who to get rid of bearing in mind that it will be League 1 football next season.
I realise that some of the contracted cannot easily be released.
Alnwick Keep
Ameobi Keep
Beevers Out of Contract Keep
Buckley Out of Contract Release
Connell Keep
Connolly Loan -
Darby Retired -
Donaldson Out of Contract Release
Dyer Out of Contract Release
Earing Keep
Grounds Loan -
Hall Keep
Hobbs Out of Contract Release
Little Out of Contract Keep
Lowe Release
Magennis Release
Matthews Keep
Murphy Keep
Noone Out of Contract Release
Olkowski Release
O'Neil Out of Contract Keep
Oztumer Keep
Pritchard Keep
Taylor Out of Contract Release
Turner Out of Contract Keep
Vela Out of Contract Keep
Wheater Out of Contract Keep
Wildschut Loan -
Williams Joe Loan -
Williams Ben -
Wilson Out of Contract Release
Manager + Assistant Manager - RELEASE
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Post by Alptrotter on Mar 17, 2019 13:01:31 GMT
Pretty much agree with your verdicts, David. The only two I’m not sure about are Olkowski - he started so well, I think there is a decent footballer in there, who has been driven into hiding by Parky’s coaching and style. I’d be for keeping him. Second, and I know this may be overly optimistic, but, bearing in mind we will be playing a standard lower, is there not a case for Magennis? He looked good at the start of the campaign and with a more progressive approach, he could be a useful squad player. With all the players, I think wage levels must be a factor. Any with bloated wages should be encouraged to leave. Finally, I’d like a young, innovative coach who will build a team from our youngsters and one or two veterans. I don’t mind if it takes us two or three years to win promotion, short term fixes and rubbish tactics is what I don’t want to see.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Mar 17, 2019 13:46:06 GMT
When I read the opening thread Alp, I too thought about the Olkowski and Magennis release, the others David I wouldn’t put up an argument against. You could argue tgatMagennis is going back to where it all started and rightly so as he’s really not cut it in the Championship but at the start of the season and with a better manager, he could have made an impact so with the right manager, Magennis gets my vote, as too Olly as there definitely can be a decent player there somewhere. Polish football must be in a mess if they’ve selected Pavel on early season form and they’ve nobody better🤔
We all know Ameobi can cut it in either league but his hit and miss laziness doesn’t warrant another stab at league one for me, he should be released in favour of an emerging David Lee player. If release Alnwick due to his terrible distribution and keep Jake Turner as Remi’s challenger.
It’s not going to happen, Parkinson’s resignations, but I would definitely give David Lee the remainder of the season before judging whether we need a new manager for Leagw 1 or stick with him.
Again, all this is purely academic if we are wound up on Wednesday which I believe is very possible with this Ken Anderson
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2019 21:52:29 GMT
When I read the opening thread Alp, I too thought about the Olkowski and Magennis release, the others David I wouldn’t put up an argument against. You could argue tgatMagennis is going back to where it all started and rightly so as he’s really not cut it in the Championship but at the start of the season and with a better manager, he could have made an impact so with the right manager, Magennis gets my vote, as too Olly as there definitely can be a decent player there somewhere. Polish football must be in a mess if they’ve selected Pavel on early season form and they’ve nobody better🤔 We all know Ameobi can cut it in either league but his hit and miss laziness doesn’t warrant another stab at league one for me, he should be released in favour of an emerging David Lee player. If release Alnwick due to his terrible distribution and keep Jake Turner as Remi’s challenger. It’s not going to happen, Parkinson’s resignations, but I would definitely give David Lee the remainder of the season before judging whether we need a new manager for Leagw 1 or stick with him. Again, all this is purely academic if we are wound up on Wednesday which I believe is very possible with this Ken Anderson I don't think that winding up order will take place ,maybe admin but even then I think that there will be a last minute deal by the present bidders who will get the club a lot cheaper than KA hoped for most likely around 6-10 million ,don't forget the only things for sale will be the physical assets (IE training ground and car parks and the actual ground , time will reveal all so don't loose any sleep  . |
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 17, 2019 22:45:17 GMT
To be honest, I'm so despondent about everything Wanderers at the moment, if they did get wound up on Wednesday, I'm not sure I'd really be particularly bothered. I can't believe I'm actually saying that but it's just how I feel right now. As for which players to keep, apart from Oz, Olkowski, Vela, Mathews and the youngsters, I'd let all the rest go and start again with youth. I'd certainly give DL a chance to manage but only if he really fancies it.
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Post by one2many on Mar 18, 2019 10:21:21 GMT
To be honest, I'm so despondent about everything Wanderers at the moment, if they did get wound up on Wednesday, I'm not sure I'd really be particularly bothered. I can't believe I'm actually saying that but it's just how I feel right now. As for which players to keep, apart from Oz, Olkowski, Vela, Mathews and the youngsters, I'd let all the rest go and start again with youth. I'd certainly give DL a chance to manage but only if he really fancies it. Thumbs up from me.
Try and hang on to the young players and the ones frozen out by PP.
We should also try and find an identity. Rather than being just another "big" club to fall on hard times like so many, could we become one or more of the following; a family club, a community club, a club known for giving youth a chance, a footballing club that plays "proper" football etc..
I quite liked the Forest Green model, a vegan and eco friendly club. Could we get Indian caterers in and become a Curry club?
Whatever we do next, whoever is in charge, please don't make us suffer another season of mediocre, apathetic football.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 14:08:54 GMT
To be honest, I'm so despondent about everything Wanderers at the moment, if they did get wound up on Wednesday, I'm not sure I'd really be particularly bothered. I can't believe I'm actually saying that but it's just how I feel right now. As for which players to keep, apart from Oz, Olkowski, Vela, Mathews and the youngsters, I'd let all the rest go and start again with youth. I'd certainly give DL a chance to manage but only if he really fancies it. Thumbs up from me.
Try and hang on to the young players and the ones frozen out by PP.
We should also try and find an identity. Rather than being just another "big" club to fall on hard times like so many, could we become one or more of the following; a family club, a community club, a club known for giving youth a chance, a footballing club that plays "proper" football etc..
I quite liked the Forest Green model, a vegan and eco friendly club. Could we get Indian caterers in and become a Curry club?
Whatever we do next, whoever is in charge, please don't make us suffer another season of mediocre, apathetic football.
I always thought that we were a fmily club One2, ala Derby County. Unfortunately, having read the reports in the BN on the Wigan game, our fans not only fighting Wigan supporters and the police, were fighting themselves. That's how pathetic the club has become. I thought from davidm's report it was a solitary thing thrown onto the pitch and I made a joke of it Maybe he didn't stay long enough o see the fighting. The club is walking a thin line. I know we are not the best loved club in the land, but I bet no one would shed a tear if we went into liquidation. |
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Post by davidm on Mar 18, 2019 15:43:42 GMT
I thought from davidm's report it was a solitary thing thrown onto the pitch and I made a joke of it Maybe he didn't stay long enough o see the fighting.
On the fighting, Yes I saw it. I thought that it was 2-way. Loads of Wigan fans left 10 minutes or more before the end; presumably to set up for fighting outside. I actually saw no fighting outside as I live the opposite direction to the town centre.
I've commented on here before about our fans at away matches - setting of flares, continual standing, standing on seats even. I spent nearly 90 minutes standing on my seat at Port Vale to get a view of the game and I'm 6ft2".
We seem to have a section of really foul mouthed idiots who follow us away. It makes for a good noise (where are they at home?) but as you say there must be a lot of clubs and residents near to clubs who would be glad to see the end of us.
I don't know if it is an age thing - I am well into the "old fogey" category but I remember some brilliant away days where noise was made but not the obscene yobbish behaviour we have now from our supporters. |
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Post by davidm on Mar 18, 2019 15:45:43 GMT
Another thing about the bottle on the pitch incidents - who thinks its a good idea to throw plastic glasses full of beer over fellow fans? They were obviously aimed at the pitch but soaked us fans instead.
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 18, 2019 17:58:30 GMT
I think it's just a sign of the times David and it's not just football. People seem to have lost the ability to put their point of view and discuss, rather than shout, damage or fight. My daughters friends partner died over the weekend after being set upon by five Rotherham "supporters" outside a pub in the town centre following the recent Rotherham Sheffield United match which United won 2-0. He didn't even know them but was wearing a United shirt. He was 28 and leaves a seven year old daughter. They used his head as a football and despite seeming to improve earlier, relapsed and died.
Where are those times when we stood next to fans of other teams, had a good chat about the merits of individual players and shook hands at the end? I remember well the Malcolm McDonald, Wanderers v Newcastle replay at Elland Road and having really enjoyable banter with the Geordies, wishing each other well after the game. Where did it all go wrong and how do we get it back? It certainly won't happen in my lifetime but frankly I'm losing more and more interest in both Wanderers and football generally.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2019 20:37:40 GMT
You're both right I'm sorry about you're friends loss but football seems to be taking a back seat again at football grounds as more and more youngsters just want to get beered up and start fights. My wife hates it when I go to away games cause she doesn't know what's going to happen. Saying that I will still be at the Derby and Forrest away games as it will be my last in the championship for a while. COYWM
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Post by thegrud1 on Mar 19, 2019 15:28:05 GMT
Marc Iles
Hear that the Whites Hotel being run on a cash-only basis, notices/staff telling guests that credit facility has been withdrawn. Never a good sign. #bwfc
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Post by whitesince63 on Mar 19, 2019 18:55:57 GMT
Well i suppose with the winding up case tomorrow if I were a supplier I'd think twice about giving credit too. I imagine it's not just the hotel that's having that problem but also the club shop. The thing I can't understand is why the club appears to have stopped taking season ticket payments when surely they need all the income they can get. It's all a complete mess and anything can happen tomorrow, especially without ED to bale us out. I was rather hoping that there would be positive news on the takeover situation today but that's not happened so I can't see it being resolved now before the winding up meeting tomorrow. I still think Administration is more likely than liquidation but I wouldn't put any money on it.
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