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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 9, 2019 17:09:57 GMT
It is obvious KA took over BWFC with a view to make money, but at the same time he knew he was dealing with a club in freefall and was let down by Holdsworth and maybe others. Being of a wheeler-dealer nature (* some have called him less kind names) he set about saving our slub for us and for himself, and has nearly succeeded in both. There have been many narrow squeaks, but each time he has been saved by the sale of a player, inflow of EFL money and sale of season tickets to achieve timely cashflow, which with the team in poor form there not been enough cash through the gates to tide things over for him between the bigger deals He has generally been lucky, but this time in particular he had apparently banked on EFL money arriving to help him keep his word to Norwich and FGR among others. The fact that the EFL have been dishing out money to some of these creditors seems to confirm this and maybe KA thinks things will get better when the balance is paid into BWFC accounts. Only a man of his "experience" could believe in himself enough to hope to pull it off, and IF he gets and investor will have pulled it off. Let us hope he has enough in hand to ward off further damaging
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 9, 2019 17:11:54 GMT
claims, while encouraging the seemingly immovable PP to improve things in the field
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Post by OohMac on Jan 9, 2019 17:25:44 GMT
Andy is saying that we arent privy to the details but cant speculate. However we're always going to be in the dark. So until it goes to court we will always just have to go off certain reports.
You cant expect The BN to really say "Bolton have been accussed of x,y and z but we dont have concrete evidence and Ken has said no comment. So we will wait for updates"
Ive supported Ken in the past and have seen the reason for some of his more controversial decisions. Players left dont get paid? Look after current squad first. Deal later. Amos exiled? Silly money for a player we havent used. Move him on, deal later. Bonuses not paid? So what salary is there. Bonuses will come later? Threatening admin? Took a bad mortgage and got a better deal in the end.
Even this i think we needed a striker but had no money. We got one. Plan was to use him to secure Champ status. Sell club before first installment let them deal with it.
His problems have come from not securing a deal to allow to the club to progress.
The stuff I dont agree with is his blatant lies. PFA wages, Getting rid of ALF, not paying wages(didnt this happen with Ameobi too) and his investors who had the means then didnt.
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 9, 2019 17:35:50 GMT
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 9, 2019 19:16:18 GMT
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Post by andyl on Jan 9, 2019 19:31:24 GMT
Speculation is fine for us. This is our hobby and it would be fine if we were having the discussion in a pub.
It's a more general complaint than for here but I don't much care for the modern tendency of the media to speculate but present speculation as news.
I always try, grud, never to argue that most people think x or that y is a minority view. For example varied as the posters are here I doubt our views in so far as even we share them are particularly representative of bwfc fans as a whole.
I think there may well be other fans who view Marc Iles currently fractured relationship as in part self inflicted. I think that he does a pretty good job most of the time.
As Kenglowhite and Ooom above I think that aspects of our recovery these last three years have been to the owner's and manager's credit and we have had good moments. Like Ooom I don't like lies and deception but this is not an easy situation.
There are other aspects of the last three years especially on the field that worry me greatly.
Meanwhile we scored 5 goalsbon Saturday!!! Never thought I'd see that again!
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 9, 2019 19:52:25 GMT
In terms of the media involvement, and particularly BN's "Head of Sport" I have to say his intrusion is very late and mostly unhelpful. Where was he when Chairman Gartside was ruining our club ? What did he do to help Sam Allardyce when he asked for cash to buy a young Samuel Eto'o ? Did he criticise the appointment of the one and only Gary Megson and his ridiculous £10M outlay on that useless Swedish centre forward Elmanser and the non-tackling full back Steinssen ? How did he respond to Gartside's pet phrase "soft debt" to excuse the waste of Edwin Davies's money? I feel KA has been making a constructive effort to keep our club going, using a few tricks of the trade for teeming and lading. It is not easy to save a company that is all but bankrupt but he has been having a decent try, and he might well yet surprise us.As a fan of more than 75 years I hope so !
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 9, 2019 23:43:10 GMT
******* I feel KA has been making a constructive effort to keep our club going, using a few tricks of the trade for teeming and lading. It is not easy to save a company that is all but bankrupt but he has been having a decent try, and he might well yet surprise us.As a fan of more than 75 years I hope so !****** SERIUOSLY ?? LAUGHABLE !!!!!!.......https://www.theboltonnews.co.uk/news/17346649.bolton-wanderers-to-be-served-with-two-winding-up-petitions/
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Post by kenglowhite on Jan 10, 2019 10:08:32 GMT
So, Grudge, if Ken Anderson does not pay off these writs, as apparently planned, with money owed by the EFL, what are you going to do about it?
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 11, 2019 14:28:15 GMT
From Kens e-mail...****4) The Club did not pay me consultancy fees of £525,000 in 2017. This spanned 2016 and 2017 and included promotion bonuses. ***** so he paid himself promotion bonus before manager and players ? Contact e-mail address for EFL enquiries@efl.com
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Post by OohMac on Jan 12, 2019 9:04:24 GMT
He does need to know when to stop digging. All he needs to say is that hes actively looking to sell and will listen and accept any realistic offer?
How would The BN look if Marc Iles was allowed in with his free cup of tea and bacon roll? I doubt hed be dragging Super John out.
In my opinion heres what Bolton fans can be aggrieved with.
Kens lies(he says one thing, we all suspect an untruth and weeks later were proven to be right)
Kens fee. Lees fee. Even then you have to concede that an owner of a promoted team deserves his slice. Especially with the work he actually put in to get round the embargo. A lot of the players brought in came via Superagent too.
Lets not forget a certain Craig Allardyce.
For me, Gartside did a far more destructive job than Ken. Us fans cannot hammer the guy for not having millions. Just stop the lies. Be honest, i imagine Ken puts up the facade for potential investors but anyone who has done 10 mins research can work it all out.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 26, 2019 16:21:39 GMT
What I would do if i was Ken: a manifesto.
1. Be honest with the sales. Admit that the plan waas to try and fix us up and sell us on.
2. Distance myself a way from negotiations. Employ someone to mediate and set a reserve price but just get a sale and quick. To whoever.
3. Get fans back onside. Gesture could have been free travel for last night. Two coaches? Hold a Q and A but obviously have it a ticket only event with ID needed. For a sensible debate not a lynch mob.
4. Ask the fans what would they want? Theres 20,000 spare seats against Walsall. At a cheap rate. Find out why!
5. Invite Marc and SJM back and request that they be mindful of the state that the club was in. Ask Dearden said its a decade coming this. BN dont always paint that.
6. Offer to end any contracted player over 30.
7. Settle a deal with Phil. Garden leave or let him be the puppet for the media but make it clear that Phil is not to take training,have a say in selection.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 27, 2019 15:59:14 GMT
What I would do if i was Ken: a manifesto. 1. Be honest with the sales. Admit that the plan waas to try and fix us up and sell us on. 2. Distance myself a way from negotiations. Employ someone to mediate and set a reserve price but just get a sale and quick. To whoever. 3. Get fans back onside. Gesture could have been free travel for last night. Two coaches? Hold a Q and A but obviously have it a ticket only event with ID needed. For a sensible debate not a lynch mob. 4. Ask the fans what would they want? Theres 20,000 spare seats against Walsall. At a cheap rate. Find out why! 5. Invite Marc and SJM back and request that they be mindful of the state that the club was in. Ask Dearden said its a decade coming this. BN dont always paint that. 6. Offer to end any contracted player over 30. 7. Settle a deal with Phil. Garden leave or let him be the puppet for the media but make it clear that Phil is not to take training,have a say in selection. All things that a genuine, realistic person who was interested in the club and fans would do OM but we all know that's not Anderson so there's little point even raising it. Let's face it, he's going to take us to the brink, even maybe over it and there is not a thing we can do about it. Only pure self interest is going to affect what Ken does and it wouldn't surprise me if he never set foot in Bolton again, just handled it from afar. Things can only get better? Sadly not I'm afraid.
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Post by OohMac on Jan 27, 2019 19:46:33 GMT
Ken clearly feel the hurt though. Hence the Chairman notes and the ill advised emails.
I said that it suited us at the time to have an owner detached and purely driven by money. I still think thats true.
Still think Kens popularity could go from 0 to 5 if he sacked Parky.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 28, 2019 9:28:59 GMT
I agree with that 100% OM which is why I disagree with the current supporter protests against Ken. Surely it must be against Parkinson, he's the big problem and why there's so much dissatisfaction in the club. Just about everyone understands the difficulties Kens under, even if we despise some of his methods but with Parkinson it's just total incompetence and a complete inability to operate at this level. Why Ken can't see that is beyond me and I can only hope that if the Reading result is going against us tomorrow the crowd turns on the manager. Only that in my opinion will force Ken to act but history tells me that even then he still won't do anything.
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