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Post by davidm on Jan 7, 2019 14:12:41 GMT
On November 5th, I wrote on this forum:- “ Apologies if I am wrong on this but isn’t the administration option a positive for Ken Anderson?
With the BluMarble loan, didn’t Eddie Davis lend Ken Anderson £5M and then Ken Anderson lend BWFC £5M?
If that is correct, doesn’t Ken Anderson become the major creditor if BWFC goes into administration and, therefore, have first call on the assets, hotel, etc.
I hope I am wrong on this as it could be Anderson’s money grab as opposed to selling the club.” I hoped I was wrong but today, January 7th, the Forest Green Rovers chairman, referring to Anderson, has said:- “ FGR chairman Dale Vince: “He said to me you can seek a winding up petition and you can bankrupt the club, I don’t care, I’m a secured lender I’ll get my money back” So we can see where Ken Anderson’s primary instincts are! Are we doomed?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 15:05:37 GMT
On November 5th, I wrote on this forum:- “ Apologies if I am wrong on this but isn’t the administration option a positive for Ken Anderson?
With the BluMarble loan, didn’t Eddie Davis lend Ken Anderson £5M and then Ken Anderson lend BWFC £5M?
If that is correct, doesn’t Ken Anderson become the major creditor if BWFC goes into administration and, therefore, have first call on the assets, hotel, etc.
I hope I am wrong on this as it could be Anderson’s money grab as opposed to selling the club.” I hoped I was wrong but today, January 7th, the Forest Green Rovers chairman, referring to Anderson, has said:- “ FGR chairman Dale Vince: “He said to me you can seek a winding up petition and you can bankrupt the club, I don’t care, I’m a secured lender I’ll get my money back” So we can see where Ken Anderson’s primary instincts are! Are we doomed? Would'nt put it past him ,seems he is in a hole to deep to escape from , looks like admin at least
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Post by davidm on Jan 7, 2019 15:12:16 GMT
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 7, 2019 17:30:34 GMT
To be fair David, Ken knows all the tricks and would have been well aware of the risk of the club going under if he didn't find a buyer, so it's no surprise that he's worked himself into a beneficial position should the worst happen. It's just such a shame that ED bailed him out last time instead of letting the club go down. Of course that would have meant ED losing out as well, especially on the £15mln if we got back to the PL but then he would have expected to live to see that happen. It's all fallen very nicely for Anderson really and whatever happens to the club he'll come out in front. Makes you sick really doesn't it but then he's not the first low life to benefit from others misfortunes and he won't be the last. So the transfer embargo means he doesn't have to buy anyone, the loans can go back and the kids can be loaned out to get their wages paid. All very convenient whilst he waits for the TV cash and next EFL payment which will tide him over for another few months. If he can get some cash in for Vela or Beevers all the better. Very sad.
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Post by davidm on Jan 7, 2019 17:52:12 GMT
A gentleman called Benny The Ball has come up with the following on the Wanderers Way forum:- " If you look at the appendices to the legal charge that Moonshift Investments Limited ( Eddie Davis ) has over Inner Circle Investments ( Ken Anderson ) you will note that Ken Anderson has already signed an undated resignation letter ( From Burnden Leisure ) and an undated share transfer form ( Re Burnden Leisure Shares ) . I would have thought that any act of default other than non payment - such as administration of Burnden Leisure , would give Eddies trustees the right to date both documents and remove KA from any ongoing involvement . I would be surprised if they were not already considering this along with other charge holders such as Brett Warburton etc " beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09782053/charges/fm5WZUnhZHCq-kA5LdXv1g9627M
Look at the appendices at the end of the Companies House document to see the Letter of Resignation from Ken Anderson which Moonshift (i.e. Eddie Davies'' estate) can date and submit.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2019 19:25:38 GMT
I wonder what AndyL thinks of Ken Anderson now...
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Post by OohMac on Jan 7, 2019 20:57:22 GMT
I wonder what AndyL thinks of Ken Anderson now... Wondered that myself. Didnt we have a Ken style differences of opinions with Oldham a few seasons back. Unpaid ticket money. Im sure the FA said they would defer TV money until that was settled. Hope this embargo means FA do have more input to where this money goes.
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 7, 2019 22:07:20 GMT
A gentleman called Benny The Ball has come up with the following on the Wanderers Way forum:- " If you look at the appendices to the legal charge that Moonshift Investments Limited ( Eddie Davis ) has over Inner Circle Investments ( Ken Anderson ) you will note that Ken Anderson has already signed an undated resignation letter ( From Burnden Leisure ) and an undated share transfer form ( Re Burnden Leisure Shares ) . I would have thought that any act of default other than non payment - such as administration of Burnden Leisure , would give Eddies trustees the right to date both documents and remove KA from any ongoing involvement . I would be surprised if they were not already considering this along with other charge holders such as Brett Warburton etc " beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/09782053/charges/fm5WZUnhZHCq-kA5LdXv1g9627M
Look at the appendices at the end of the Companies House document to see the Letter of Resignation from Ken Anderson which Moonshift (i.e. Eddie Davies'' estate) can date and submit. Lets hope that's right David and that Anderson falls flat on his face and ends up with nothing.
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Post by andyl on Jan 8, 2019 17:29:58 GMT
My answer is much the same as ever. I prefaced most earlier comments by saying I had no knowledge of or opinion of his integrity and honesty. His history is a matter of record.
I have only here ever be at pains to shoot down the notion that he is uninterested in on field BWFC and without knowledge of football. That is just not what I have experienced.
I'm very unimpressed with the Bolton news stance and it is not serving us at all. If analyses above are accurate that admin. will not be a disaster for Ken why push him into a position where he takesvthat path. He did take us on at a difficult time. He has made improvements. He has been loyal to Phil Parkinson .
Also I would not be surprised if other clubs and agents behave , alas, with similar brinkmanship. I am sceptical that the FG owner would be immersed in EFL much less EPL wheeling and dealing. There will becskeletons everywhere. The EPL and Sky have corrupted everything.
But of course I am deeply concerned. I hope a sale is achieved and that we avoid administration or worse. Much may yet emerge and it may be bad. But demonstrations whipped up artificially will serve no good purpose.
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Post by Pedro on Jan 8, 2019 18:47:37 GMT
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 8, 2019 20:11:53 GMT
Andyl.......******I'm very unimpressed with the Bolton news stance and it is not serving us at all.****** the BEN is serving the fans extremely well and really should have took this stance a lot earlier........If it wasnt for the BEN we would all be in the dark as to whats going on with Andersdons game of charades. How you can criticise the BEN for truthful reporting is beyond belief !!!
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Post by OohMac on Jan 8, 2019 21:36:17 GMT
Ha, available for the Bury match. Get all the support from both sets. I saw football focus on FGR and liked how he operates. Doidge will be gutted hes had to swap his steak pie barm for tofu!
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Post by OohMac on Jan 9, 2019 14:08:19 GMT
I was tempted to pen a letter or perhaps email to Dale Vincent trying to distance the fans and club from this man. Luckily FGR are fully aware of our plight and have distanced and even supported them with an invite to the Bury match on 19th.
They also play Oldham at Boundary Park(if its stikl called that) this weekend. Not sure if theres enough away tickets but would be a good gesture to show appreciation if we supported them and Christian.
They are 6 in the league. With Doidge they may have been closer and next season we may be in the same league. I would be putting all my money on Doidge scoring the winner. (If there is still such a thing as Bolton Wanderers)
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Post by andyl on Jan 9, 2019 14:29:48 GMT
Andyl.......******I'm very unimpressed with the Bolton news stance and it is not serving us at all.****** the BEN is serving the fans extremely well and really should have took this stance a lot earlier........If it wasnt for the BEN we would all be in the dark as to whats going on with Andersdons game of charades. How you can criticise the BEN for truthful reporting is beyond belief !!! Truthful? How do we know? I am more than prepared to agree that the reporters are doing their best with limited access other than off record staff or contractor sources and that they have been denied access. What end is sought? The kudos of outing a rogue should it be so proven? How does it serve fans if KA ups sticks to Monaco, leaves us to administration or worse or won't sell and years of litigation ensue. On the same logic the BN should have been criticising Phil P in much the same way as WS63 and others do on here but getting closer to training, physio, stats analysis etc than we can. Maybe the BN should be linking with social media groups to organise protests against Phil? No, it's not their role. If Neil Bonnar led with a manager out post we'd be critical and wonder why the BN hadn't lobbied against Coyle, Freedman, Lennon( a possible target for moral outrage when with us?). Both KA and the BN have made this personal. The BN in parading Baronesses, John McGinlay etc are distorting everything and it's quite unhelpful. And are impressed by Dale Vince ( seriously? What is known of him?). KA is at once accused of saying too much and too little. I seem to recall the previous regime said nothing! Please, no-one should interpret this that I am arguing for Ken Anderson or for his case. I make no comment whatever on his fitness to run a club or his character save at a very banal level. He could be anything and nothing will surprise. I do not know him or have any factual knowledge of his dealings. But personally I would look to the BN not to get into petty squabbles or into whipping up animosities. Where I would agree, grud, is that there is a place in the media for good investigative reporting of football but I can't be confident that reporters on a local paper necessarily have the time and expertise and very little has appeared which is balanced recently. Our best path would be if KA BN, Supporters Trust get together and all work on behalf of BWFC and its fans- let's hope it can happen
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 9, 2019 16:37:27 GMT
******But personally I would look to the BN not to get into petty squabbles or into whipping up animosities.
Where I would agree, grud, is that there is a place in the media for good investigative reporting of football but I can't be confident that reporters on a local paper necessarily have the time and expertise and very little has appeared which is balanced recently.*******
So basically you think the BEN should stop reorting anything negative about KA...or you would like to edit all their pages???...the one thing you seem to forget is BEN repeorters are local...that makes them more than capable of reporting local news !!! You do seem to be in a minority of one Andyl
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