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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 19, 2018 10:50:06 GMT
Just wanted to get people's views on whether next week will dictate whether Parky and crew go or stay if things don't go well? Three games against teams who aren't performing and who we should be expecting to get something from seems like last chance saloon to me. A minimum of 5 points must be obtained for me if Parky is to stay and anything less should see Ken pull the plug.
How will Parky see it though? He must be aware, even after Kens supportive words, that unless there's an immediate improvement is forthcoming in results then he's gone but how will he see it game wise? Will he continue with his not to lose approach, or will he accept that he must become more adventurous? I personally don't think he has an adventurous streak in him and will continue with the half way house of the last few games. We won't lose by much but winning will only be by either a happy accident or wonder goal. Since wonder goals are rare, I don't expect much success and feel Ken will have a decision to make.
I see only one point, a goalless draw at Millwall and defeats at Wednesday and at home to Wigan. Try as I might I just can't see any better than that. I don't expect to see anything new tried as Parky digs in to what he believes were improvements in recent performances. Whilst true it still didn't result in points or even goals, so continuing with the same will just result in the same again for me. Nada. I'd love to be proved wrong and for him to surprise me but then I've been disappointed so many times on that already that I have no confidence I won't just be disappointed again.
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Post by OohMac on Nov 19, 2018 13:07:04 GMT
I heard that we couldnt afford to sack Coyle, Freedman and Lennon. All got sacked. But think After Kens flip flop of 'Any Means Neccessary' he's lossed face and power. Remember Parky trying to play AT hull and then when he realised Ken was bluffing went back to the way he likes it.
I think Parky has sussed that if he can stay within 2 goals he can sell a bad luck story to Ken and remain and he can also point to last season as a "been there, done that"
On that I can't really argue with PP. He did prove me wrong because I never thought we stood a chance but we got a run going.
He may then get us out of this mess but I doubt it this year and even if he did it wouldn't win me over.
Trying to remember a time we won a game by 2 goals? When we ever looked comfortable? Outplayed a team?
I was going to say is rather be big fish in league one but if PP was still there he would play the same way.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 19, 2018 13:10:03 GMT
I think if we lose these games 3-0, 4-0 and 5-0 Whites, Parkinson would STILL be here.! We have to accept we have a Chairman who has very little interest in the results of Bolton Wanderers. A concerned Chairman would have removed him at the end of last season, when he had to step in and insist on a change of tactics against Nott`m Forest. The only other explanation for Parkinson still being manager is , hes acting under orders to get us relegated. If YOU, as a manager, wanted to get a club relegated...you would try not to attack, you would make several changes every week to deny a settled team, you would fill it full of Geriatrics and play them out of position. RING ANY BELLS???...
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Post by thegrud1 on Nov 19, 2018 18:34:28 GMT
I know as football fans and wanderers supporters we have an opinion on everything but if anyone expects PP to change they are living in cloud cuckoo land...and to expect our *beloved* chairman to see anything but £,s is *********
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Post by Alptrotter on Nov 19, 2018 19:33:12 GMT
I think it’s somewhat fanciful to argue that a chairman, desperate to turn a profit on his investment, would issue instructions to a manager to get a team relegated, even more so that a manager like Parky would obey. I think that does a huge disservice to our manager and his ethical standards. Imputing all kinds of improbable motives gets us nowhere. Parky, right or wrong, believes in his approach. I, along with many others, think that he just needs to develop in his team more tactical flexibility and, himself, to show more tactical nous. Can he do that? As is obvious from previous posts, I very much doubt it. BUT, I really hope he does. I will not be joining those wanderers fans who actually want us to get hammered in order to speed up a change.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 19, 2018 19:52:45 GMT
I think it’s somewhat fanciful to argue that a chairman, desperate to turn a profit on his investment, would issue instructions to a manager to get a team relegated, even more so that a manager like Parky would obey. I think that does a huge disservice to our manager and his ethical standards. Imputing all kinds of improbable motives gets us nowhere. Parky, right or wrong, believes in his approach. I, along with many others, think that he just needs to develop in his team more tactical flexibility and, himself, to show more tactical nous. Can he do that? As is obvious from previous posts, I very much doubt it. BUT, I really hope he does. I will not be joining those wanderers fans who actually want us to get hammered in order to speed up a change. I think its fanciful as well, it was tongue in cheek. More of a " He couldn't do a worse job if he wanted to relegate us ". I for one don't give a damn about Parkys beliefs if they have a negative impact on BWFC. He dosnt need to develop in his team more tactical, flexibility etc etc etc.....HES HAD TWO AND A HALF YEARS to do that. What he DOES need to do is GET THE HELL OUT OF OUR CLUB, before he does anymore damage.!! Yes, Im one of those fans who hope we get hammered to speed up change and I don't intend to change my mind. Like Ive said before.....if the end justifies the means.... Rant over! |
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 19, 2018 23:05:20 GMT
I think if we lose these games 3-0, 4-0 and 5-0 Whites, Parkinson would STILL be here.! We have to accept we have a Chairman who has very little interest in the results of Bolton Wanderers. A concerned Chairman would have removed him at the end of last season, when he had to step in and insist on a change of tactics against Nott`m Forest. The only other explanation for Parkinson still being manager is , hes acting under orders to get us relegated. If YOU, as a manager, wanted to get a club relegated...you would try not to attack, you would make several changes every week to deny a settled team, you would fill it full of Geriatrics and play them out of position. RING ANY BELLS???... I think if we lost the games by 3-4 and 5 goals Woppy, there would be a major eruption by every Wanderers fan. I can't believe even KA wouldn't react if that happened, whatever his feelings for the club. I think it's the fact we are losing narrowly that is causing the problem because Parky can ignore the fact we've been outplayed and had copious chances missed against us and cling to the fact we missed our one or two chances and still only just lost. The boredom factor every week is completely overlooked. Ken said in his last question and answer with fans that it was only points that count, not style of play. Well that was after our good start pointwise which of course has now changed. So whilst we still aren't getting any entertainment, neither are we now getting points so if Ken is true to his word and it is points that matter, then he has no excuse not to sack Parky. I think next week is critical for Parky and if we don't pick up points Ken will have little or no choice but to act. If we do lose next weeks games, I don't want us to get battered because that would affect our goal difference if a new manager did come in. In fact I don't want us to lose at all, I want Parky to change and be successful but in reality I just can't see that happening either now or in the future. I expect next week to be Parky's last here. |
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 20, 2018 9:11:41 GMT
I know its wrong for me to want us to get battered Whites, but that's where I am at the moment. I desperately want this man removed and I am willing to take a couple of heavy defeats in the hope he goes. Like you Ive spent 50 years plus watching BWFC and even enjoyed bad times. However, theres plenty of good times. Liverpool 3-2 League Cup 1967, what a night!! Rochdale same competition, 1-3 down at H/T.. at Burnden...won 6-3...QPR 6-4, Man.City 3-0 Gary Jones hat-trick, we could go on and on and on. Theres fantastic memories from the times of Armfield, Greaves, Rioch, Todd and Allardyce. Look at what we have now, if you can. Can anyone think of a good match under this man???. Like you , I stopped going but it was when Megson was here. It broke my heart but I`d had enough. Just a word of warning 63`....there soon comes a time when it becomes very easy to stay away. If I walk under the railway bridge at the bottom of the street I can watch Atherton LR.....
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Post by whitesince63 on Nov 20, 2018 9:53:30 GMT
I think people getting used to staying away is spot on Woppy. I think many of the supporters like us will find something else to do. The moments you've named and many you haven't, stick in my mind too but even though not that long ago, are in a different era. Players these days enjoy a salary and lifestyle which has got to obscene and ridiculous levels, whilst the ordinary working man has seen static or falling income. Forking out for that ticket or season ticket comes at the expense of something else these days and with the increase in TV and on-line channels, crowds will only get smaller. I was thinking of going to Hillsborough next week but decided I'll watch on line instead in the comfort of my own home. Whilst I can find things to do instead of going to games, unlike yourself I will return once I see something to return for. At the moment I have little interest in things Wanderers, losing or playing poorly is sadly now an expectation and poor results are no longer a disappointment. How sad is that when two dyed in the wool, long term Wanderers fans like us feel that way? The fantastic moments you quote will stay with us forever and I'm hoping the current malaise is just another temporary blip which will soon turn around and we can look to more happy times. I think that will be after next week. Despite all Parky's words in the BN this week about a new start, I see no reason to think things will change and hopefully if results are as poor as I expect, then Ken will have no choice but to pull Parky's plug.
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Post by Woppy the Italian on Nov 20, 2018 11:49:43 GMT
Hope you`re right 63`.....( didn`t say I wouldn`t return..)….need something to inspire me lol
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