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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2018 18:57:21 GMT
Cheers 63 I might rethink my weekend unless someone can convince me to part with my time and money to go and watch them thanks enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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Post by greydad on Oct 20, 2018 19:38:08 GMT
Sadly I can't disagree with White's evaluation of the performance...a valuable away point, but it was possibly the least effective contribution from a Wanderers midfield I can remember. I suppose it was job done to a degree, but the disappointment of the home fans I sat with was at least assuaged by the attacking efforts of their team and they were justifiably disappointed with the result...I was quietly relieved at the gaining of a very fortunate point. Doidge's opportunism and accomplished finish, not created by the skill of his team mates but by a defender's misjudgement it should be said, was very much a rare glimmer of light in a gloomy performance.
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Post by Alptrotter on Oct 21, 2018 6:58:43 GMT
I must say that I found this game, in parts, an open and entertaining affair, if it was also very low on quality. Having said that, I agree with greydad’s comments about the midfield. Given the 5-3-2 or 3-5-2 formation, we had three central midfielders, yet no place for a creative presence at all. Rotherham laboured and their coach clearly puts great emphasis on strength and fitness, with even less interest in creativity than Parky. If their fans said we were the worst team they’ve seen all season, they mustn’t be looking at their own teams rustic efforts.
I thought we started brightly, but faded once the early goal didn’t arrive. They were really lifted only by Magenniss’s awful penalty and their goal didn’t look world class to me. It looked like a rubbish wall and a static goalie. Doidge deservedly took his goal sharply and, with Donaldson’s pace and all round effort, after a hapless first few minutes, I wonder if Magennis should be rested.
My greatest concern, however, is that we look really wooden in midfield without Ameobi and Oztumer. Barring injury, surely one or both have to play. Oh, and I’m sick of repeating myself on this, but Wildschut, on present form, doesn’t deserve to be on the bench, never mind getting onto the pitch. What on earth. does Parky see in him? Such a dour manager having a soft spot for such a feeble, unskilled player who doesn’t seem to realise that football’s a team game.
I accept that in some ways I may see the games differently thru ifollow than many who actually attend and I make no claim that my views are correct. They are just how I see things. Roll on the next home games and get Ozzy back in!
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Post by OohMac on Oct 21, 2018 11:32:03 GMT
I personally cannot fathom how anyone can think to end a barren run with three centre backs, a 36 year old wing back who is not match sharp and a solid right back? To add to that he starts with 3 holding midfielders the most advanced of those being 36 and then two strikers. Again one who is a strudy target man and the other I'm not sure of. But it seems a lot to ask him to pick up the ball in his own half and then to get it to his strike partner 50 metres away.
And what's more we went into half time without a shot on target. How is this a surprise to anyone?
And this is Rotherham. So I wouldn't argue that this is a horses for courses tactic. This was two weeks of Parky being terrified of losing so set up for 0-0.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 21, 2018 12:24:12 GMT
A pretty accurate assessment that OM, it really is difficult to defend Parkinson's team selection for this game but then again, the two up front he considers a benefit to his hoofball tactic and if you're going to play that way why would you need an effective midfield. Like you I agree about Wildschutt, absolutely clueless and more of a liability than a help. I just despair frankly, yesterday just confirmed my feeling of hopelessness with Parkinson at the helm.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 21, 2018 13:14:36 GMT
The likes of Heckingbottom, Bruce and the like must be as puzzled ad we are as to why they are out of work and this ejit is still here!! If we were anything like decent after our surprising start, we obviously wouldn’t be free falling like we are, what we have here is that the Championship can be a graveyard for those ‘lucky’ managers and the lIke soon get found out, trouble is, it doesn’t vouch for whimpy chairmen too frightened to spend their way out of trouble or to rid us of this bloke
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Post by Deleted on Oct 21, 2018 14:21:26 GMT
What gets me is as bad as we are playing we are only 9 points from the top so maybe with a little bit of attacking football we could win a few games and get back to near the top instead of near the bottom. We have the players but not the manager.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 21, 2018 17:16:59 GMT
What gets me is as bad as we are playing we are only 9 points from the top so maybe with a little bit of attacking football we could win a few games and get back to near the top instead of near the bottom. We have the players but not the manager. Very true Chip and to think, a few games ago we were looking down on Wigan and Blackburn and even at one point we we ‘almost’ joint top😬 Now look at us!! I wouldn’t feel so bad if I knew there was any good to come out of those recent takeover rumours but that’s died of death.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 21, 2018 19:47:11 GMT
Well I don't believe for one minute that you were kidded any more than I was by our fortuitous start rftr, it was always going to end in reality striking. I actually think it even kidded Parky who must have thought he'd actually improved as a manager but once the hoofball and negative mentality increased it was only bound to return to the norm. After yesterday I actually feel even more depressed than ever if that's possible? There just was nothing to be optimistic about other than Doidge's fifteen minute cameo, not just his goal but his ball control showed enormous promise. The problem is under Parky he'll only ever get a bit part out wide or struggling up top on his own as Alf did. He's totally unsuited to either role and needs to be in a grass based football role which he's unlikely ever to get under Parkinson. The same applies with Oz which is why I expect to see little of either of them as mainstays in the team for as long as Parky's here, which I pray isn't too long.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 22, 2018 12:16:41 GMT
Well I don't believe for one minute that you were kidded any more than I was by our fortuitous start rftr, it was always going to end in reality striking. I actually think it even kidded Parky who must have thought he'd actually improved as a manager but once the hoofball and negative mentality increased it was only bound to return to the norm. After yesterday I actually feel even more depressed than ever if that's possible? There just was nothing to be optimistic about other than Doidge's fifteen minute cameo, not just his goal but his ball control showed enormous promise. The problem is under Parky he'll only ever get a bit part out wide or struggling up top on his own as Alf did. He's totally unsuited to either role and needs to be in a grass based football role which he's unlikely ever to get under Parkinson. The same applies with Oz which is why I expect to see little of either of them as mainstays in the team for as long as Parky's here, which I pray isn't too long. I’ve just had a thought W63, things could be worse, I mean, we could be Newcastle fans sitting pretty at the foot of the Prem, but then I’m fairly sure Raffa’s style will have them climbing very soon to leave Fulham Cardiff and Southampton dropping out so maybe that’s a wrong comparison. The 12 or so thousand loyal folk turning up every home game will be the only folk that could make the difference and by that I mean to rid us of PP as it will be their choice to stay away from this dross which will surely be the only method to make Ken sit up and notice. As Colemanballs go, you don’t get much better than Ken’s rant at the stay away fans that cannot or will not spend good hard earned dough to sit through another 90+ minutes of truly awful football. It’s gotten that bad now, I don’t even know who we play next and I don’t think I’ve ever been that ignorant even when McGovern or Neale where in charge 😢😢
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Post by thegrud1 on Oct 22, 2018 12:35:25 GMT
This is a genuine question....at any other club whose fans are as dissatisfied as we seem to be,there would be chants during game of **manager** out. Are we all just apathetic?
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 22, 2018 13:51:20 GMT
Yes it does seem strange Grud but I think people have just resigned themselves to the fact that however bad it gets at the moment uncle Ken won't act. Kens not stupid and he knows many fans are staying away because of the rubbish being played but he's hoping to keep things going until he gets a buyout so he doesn't have to pay Parkinson's contract up. I think that's false economy but as long as it looks like Parky will keep us up I think he's safe but if he tips us into the bottom 3 before Christmas, which is entirely possible, I think KA might act. Time will tell but after Rotherham on Saturday, I have no confidence in Parky keeping us up, it was just awful stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2018 19:08:12 GMT
Does anyone remember the away trip to Charlton under John McGovern we lost 5-0 we had Jim McDonna in goal all through the game we sang John McGovern's super white army now look at us 😂😂😂 ps not sure I spelt Jim's last name right 😂😂😂😂
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Post by OohMac on Oct 22, 2018 19:56:26 GMT
We've had some bad managers and fans genuinely don't call for a managers head. We get stick on the main page for being negative but as fans go we must be the most easily pleased. Arsenal fans where very vocal in ousting a legend at the club, Villa fans got Bruce the chop after he got play offs the season before and West Ham fans will want anyone sacked who dares not play top 4 style football.
What I will say is that this trend needs to stop. Take the period after Allardyce. Look at the pattern. Sammy LEE. Tried to revert to an attractive side, failed. Perhaps not given time but replaced with MEGSON. A pragmatic, defensive manager who dulled fans and killed the support. Replaced with COYLE, a positive upbeat manager who tried to play attractive football. Replaced with FREEDMAN A pragmtic, defensive manager who dulled fans and killed support and replaced with LENNON. A positive manager, probably mis sold the job in fairness. Certainly had so much promise at the start but ultimately failed and replaced with PARKINSON. A pragmatic, defensive manager who dulled games and has killed the atmosphere at most games.
Purposely used the same definitions to prove my point. I think the only reason the atmosphere is not as toxic with Parky is that he hasn't gone out of his way to offend us or belittle the fans. If he ever badmoutned the fans I think it would be signing his own death warrant.
In terms of CV Megson has a much better record than PP.
So where do we go? Positive manager who may not be as tactical? How long will that last for until we feel the need to bring in another defend at all cost man.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 23, 2018 12:47:17 GMT
We've had some bad managers and fans genuinely don't call for a managers head. We get stick on the main page for being negative but as fans go we must be the most easily pleased. Arsenal fans where very vocal in ousting a legend at the club, Villa fans got Bruce the chop after he got play offs the season before and West Ham fans will want anyone sacked who dares not play top 4 style football. What I will say is that this trend needs to stop. Take the period after Allardyce. Look at the pattern. Sammy LEE. Tried to revert to an attractive side, failed. Perhaps not given time but replaced with MEGSON. A pragmatic, defensive manager who dulled fans and killed the support. Replaced with COYLE, a positive upbeat manager who tried to play attractive football. Replaced with FREEDMAN A pragmtic, defensive manager who dulled fans and killed support and replaced with LENNON. A positive manager, probably mis sold the job in fairness. Certainly had so much promise at the start but ultimately failed and replaced with PARKINSON. A pragmatic, defensive manager who dulled games and has killed the atmosphere at most games. Purposely used the same definitions to prove my point. I think the only reason the atmosphere is not as toxic with Parky is that he hasn't gone out of his way to offend us or belittle the fans. If he ever badmoutned the fans I think it would be signing his own death warrant. In terms of CV Megson has a much better record than PP. So where do we go? Positive manager who may not be as tactical? How long will that last for until we feel the need to bring in another defend at all cost man. Great post OoM Just look at Tony Mowbray, cast adrift by Middlesboro and West Brom, so took on the Coventry job and soon realised there was only so far he could take them and soon got out, but gained the trust of the Venky's and following his success in bringing them back up to our division, they re now doing the right thing and backing him. Interesting to hear my Rovers mate (I know, find new mates Rioch) but he says that Mowbray has gained the respect if the players and thy are all buying into his philosophy an adapting to his style, even changing styles mid game to go for the win. That tells me that in life, you learn from what you have been taught and in Mowbray, he clearly took on board the effects an advice of what Bruce Rioch and Colin Todd passed onto them during their time in charge of Boro. Now where's the next Rioch ex player??? David Lee perhaps alongside Tony Kelly or even Barana's as GK coach or maybe SJM as striking coach, heaven knows we could do with one of them, maybe throw I'm Stubbs and Bergsson on defensive advice!! The list goes on
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