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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 29, 2018 14:40:31 GMT
I can’t disagree with you, Joanna. But again I would say that our inability to keep possession by passing to a team mate contributes significantly to the circumstances you accurately describe. Without at least one confident passer who shows for the ball and is comfortable on the ball, our midfield either gives it away cheaply , or is by passed by a hoof from the back which similarly loses possession. Utterly futile. To play successfully with 30 odd % possession, a team needs speed up front, cool finishers and at least one player with quarterback passing precision. Parky has consistently set us up to draw at best. The result is readable in the table.
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Post by wots on Apr 29, 2018 15:24:10 GMT
I take your point, Paul but it's always seemed to me that our midfielders are usually preoccupied with helping out the defence on the edge of our area, or they get by-passed as the ball gets lashed over their heads to some imaginary "colossus", post-Madine, on his own in attack. Once the midfielders make it to the half-way line, they are often out-paced and easily turned by nippy opposition players. Then they resort to fouling. Going forward, they rarely have the chance to be creative because their outlets, our wingers, also spend more time defending than creating. I'm not sure whether you saw the game Joanna, but how you describe it in your post was exactly the way the game was played. The ball being punted as far up field as possible, by-passing everyone bar Bywater on occasions. It was almost as if a family member had died and everyone carried on as if they were still there. Both yourself and Paulm make valid points on the Madine saga, but he has gone and you can only deal with what you have now. My view was that the players take some responsibility as footballers and change what isn't working, although having said that, it was like watching eleven strangers play with no-one in charge, on field, or off.. Now the chairman wants people to attend in numbers for the last game of the season. It'll be like having to go to a hospital to see a dying relative, hoping for a miracle. Then there'll be the wake at the chairman's Q&A. Where's AndyL btw, I see him online, but no comment. Has he been dumbstruck by recent events? Sorry for so morbid a post, but it's tax time in the great white North, but it looks like a refund is due. p.s. Anderson: "having discussed this with the manager, l can assure you, that there will be a positive and offensive line up against Nottingham Forest this Sunday." Who do you think will be picking the team next Sunday. It's do, or die and Ken has his fortune to think about.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2018 17:50:58 GMT
I take your point, Paul but it's always seemed to me that our midfielders are usually preoccupied with helping out the defence on the edge of our area, or they get by-passed as the ball gets lashed over their heads to some imaginary "colossus", post-Madine, on his own in attack. Once the midfielders make it to the half-way line, they are often out-paced and easily turned by nippy opposition players. Then they resort to fouling. Going forward, they rarely have the chance to be creative because their outlets, our wingers, also spend more time defending than creating. Hi Joanna, welcome back. I absolutely take your point about selling Madine and not replacing him with similar. Even though I don't rate Madine, there is no question of his importance to the team the way Parky set up. Where I would disagree is that we don't have the players to play another way. Certainly we don't have a midfield general and we haven't had for a number of years but then that isn't Parky's priority as he basically bypasses midfield with his long ball system anyway. Like others, I do think that had he been a more flexible and positive manager, he would have found an alternative method to get results. The sad and ridiculous truth though is that Parky really just is a complete one trick pony. He will always pick a team not to lose rather than try to win and will always encourage the players to get the ball forward as quickly as possible whether we have the players or not. We can debate and pontificate all we like but looking at his history, he will always play that way and is unchangeable. For me that's why he will never succeed above Division one and why we must make a change in the summer whatever division we're in. To say we stick with him because he got us out last time if we go down is to me just plain crazy. He was, whatever anyone says, blessed with luck last year and it's highly unlikely he will ever have that luck again. I'd bin him tomorrow whilst we still have a chance. Unlike you, I do believe we have the players but I don't believe we have a manager capable of seeing it.
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Post by OohMac on Apr 29, 2018 19:58:33 GMT
So kens thinking must be if I sack Parkinson will we stay up? No. Will it affect sponsorship deals? Probably not. Will a replacement want assurances and money to spend? And i keep selling players on deadline day and getting in loan players will he plod on? Doubtful.
What's the point then? Gonna cost me plus at this point there's no guarantee and he is league one material.
That's not to say that I think parky should stay. The exact opposite. He should have gone last September.
I'm fully prepared for a week of "we must come together" "we have to get behind the team" and "we have the experience" etc
It's all bullshite! Please please please give Lee a chance. White Hot!
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Post by Pedro on Apr 29, 2018 20:04:05 GMT
Just seen the chairmans speech so I urge you all to turn out in numbers to sing us on to victory on Sunday. Do me a favour it's the same shxt he comes out with before every home game so he can get more £ in his pocket. With PP still in charge it will be more of the same I don't think he grasps the fact we need to win to stay up nothing else will do. WIN COYWM "l can assure you, that there will be a positive and offensive line up against Nottingham Forest this Sunday." - from Ken's latest "Notes"
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Post by andyl on Apr 29, 2018 21:39:52 GMT
It's difficult to retain enthusiasm at the moment but there are some good posts on here and posters past are emerging from the woodwork so a few thoughts.
Madine has been sorely missed on defensive set pieces- we have conceded in almost every game since he left. Upfront his absence is less relevant.
It has been remarked that we haven't won a game with more than 50 % possession. This though is not an argument for having less; rather it's a damning indictment of our manager and players for a complete inability to attack with any fluency. PP favours moving ball not man and looks for second balls in their half. This is absurd with Alf as a sole forward.
Connor Hall has scored 22 goals ( or is it 21). He was allowed a few minutes v Huddersfield and we are told that he is too like ALF. How ludicrous when ALF was benched in early season. He is not indispensable now! He could be replaced. He could get injured. And Hall can actually head a ball. And he's not a youngster. How could he possibly do worse?
We started the season with a half decent midfielder, Josh Cullen. He was excellent at Millwall. But we kept kicking aerially to Madine. Phil's solution to drop him for weeks on end. Er couldn't we have tried passing to him. He did make a couple of cameos but did not return.
We also had Karacan, one of the heroes of Peterborough. He messed up v Leeds and was despatched to the wilderness. He was OK at QPR when finally introduced and Man of the Match at Norwich. But once Pratley returned he was cast aside.
With low possession rates we were bound to suffer over a season. Now we are watching Pratley and Henry jaded and spent and in all probability injured. They have been at fault repeatedly over the last three weeks- a pity because Henry especially had done much to stabilise us.
We strengthened in January. Walker went straight in v QPR and did well. Charsley went straight into the team at Brentford but made the mistake of passing the ball quite fluently for a while and then failing to fulfil defensive duties so he was discarded. Flanagan did well at Norwich but has had recent shockers. Burke did superbly at Norwich in midfield. This was tried once more and abandoned. He didn't make the squad at Burton. Clough made a good beginning, linking play up well but missing a good chance in a victory. He then scrambled an untidy goal and was not seen again save for the odd ten minutes when he has looked demoralised, lightweight and naive. But this was Zach! We know him. Surely PP should have stuck with him and brought his confidence back. But of course he needs the ball to feet. Meanwhile Little and Robinson, fixtures in our good run have been discarded. Taylor has returned and put together the worst run of games by a full back in recent memory and turning the left flank into a cul de sac.
It would be fair to say that Phil has organised the players into a good defensive formation most of the time and only Wolves have really exposed us. We have done well with low possession rates. But it could not last. Every victory was Pyrrhic. But it has not entertained. Quite the reverse. We have been abysmal in possession all season.
So , can we defeat Forest. I seriously doubt it. But even if we do one of our rivals will turn over edgy play off contenders for sure. And if we go down we will have deserved it because our last few games with three half fit/inexperienced stoppers in midfield and almost noone capable of scoring we have set up to lose rather than carry the fight. We are going down tamely and pathetically with no fight. Vela, hitherto one of our better fighters, has struggled all season and faded a way and Wheater has gone with him. Dervite who took us down before has been summoned to do the same again. I'm not sure I can raise the energy to go to the last game.
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Post by greydad on Apr 29, 2018 22:17:41 GMT
As regards the sale of Madine, it might be worth noting that on the day of his departure the Wanderers were in the bottom 3, albeit on goal difference. On the 17th of March they were 6 points clear of trouble having beaten Bristol City and Villa, drawn with Fulham and earned a few away draws too. There were also some defeats of course , but the frustration remains that the players sans Madine had shown that they could produce results against decent opposition and look capable of consolidating their Championship status. I share the concerns regarding the lack of opportunities given to Hall, King and possibly one or two others...Hall in particular must surely have been worth a place on the bench given Madine's departure, and it would be interesting to have an insight into the thoughts of David lee on this subject. The consistently ineffectual performances of a number of first team regulars have further fuelled frustrations, as has the alarming dip in form following the Villa game, along with the continuing lack of imagination shown in team selections and tactics. I hope somehow the players themselves can inspire each other to re-ignite the passion, commitment and the performance levels last seen on March 17th... current evidence suggests not, I will be there on Sunday hoping that survival is achieved, but whatever the result and it's consequences the serious issues that have prevailed throughout the season must be addressed positively in readiness for the start of the pre-season in July.
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Post by westandlower on Apr 30, 2018 14:49:21 GMT
I can't see us avoiding the drop and I don't know if I can bear to watch the end of season parade. Hoping for the best but fearing the worst.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 30, 2018 21:17:42 GMT
I can't see us avoiding the drop and I don't know if I can bear to watch the end of season parade. Hoping for the best but fearing the worst. I agree WSL And if any players drop to their knees in dispair at the moment we do get relegated (which I don’t expect a single player to do) I will be soooo angry that I might run onto the pitch and belt em, after I’ve punched PP in the dial 😡😡 I’m not really a violent person, I’m just so flippin sick to death of the KA PP regime
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