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Post by Pedro on Apr 28, 2018 19:40:22 GMT
It’s taken the 45th game for our fans to chant ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ Accrington and Sunderland it is then Thanks for absolutely nothing Phil Parkinson, positively our worst manager in history And amazingly enough not one "Parky Out". Not that I could hear anyway. Plenty of "You're not fit to wear the shirt". Beyond dire hoofball, unbelievable team selection, unbelievable stud selection from many players slipping on the sodden pitch and they watered at half time too!. Wasted almost every set piece. Has Wheater had a row with Parky or is he carrying an injury that no-one has admitted. No Little, No Robinson? The U23's would have thrashed that team and they would have been unlucky to get under 70% possession. They would have passed them off the pitch and had them chasing shadows. Send Parky on gardening leave and bring in David and Tony, Connor, Jeff, Jack and a few more why not, to make the last game enjoyable to watch at least. Forrest must be *****ing themselves.  6 useless, deluded Managers in a row. How could we have had such bad luck? And now we don't have one player that I truly want back for next season. They have struggled all year to pass to a white shirt, hold on to the ball, dribble, shoot and head on target, have any pace, get into great positions off the ball etc etc etc. The footballing skills of this team must be the worst for a long, long time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 19:41:16 GMT
But all we want as fans who are not managers but just people who are born and bred in Bolton to see 11 players to have a go and try to get a win I'm sorry but it's not much to ask 🤷🏻♀️🐷
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 28, 2018 20:05:46 GMT
It’s taken the 45th game for our fans to chant ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ Accrington and Sunderland it is then Thanks for absolutely nothing Phil Parkinson, positively our worst manager in history And amazingly enough not one "Parky Out". Not that I could hear anyway. Plenty of "You're not fit to wear the shirt". Beyond dire hoofball, unbelievable team selection, unbelievable stud selection from many players slipping on the sodden pitch and they watered at half time too!. Wasted almost every set piece. Has Wheater had a row with Parky or is he carrying an injury that no-one has admitted. No Little, No Robinson? The U23's would have thrashed that team and they would have been unlucky to get under 70% possession. They would have passed them off the pitch and had them chasing shadows. Send Parky on gardening leave and bring in David and Tony, Connor, Jeff, Jack and a few more why not, to make the last game enjoyable to watch at least. Forrest must be *****ing themselves. 6 useless, deluded Managers in a row. How could we have had such bad luck? And now we don't have one player that I truly want back for next season. They have struggled all year to pass to a white shirt, hold on to the ball, dribble, shoot and head on target, have any pace, get into great positions off the ball etc etc etc. The footballing skills of this team must be the worst for a long, long time. I have to say Ped, there was a chap on BBC Radio M/cr who said exactly the same as what your saying.. he was raving on about Jeff King and the comparatives and benefits of selecting him rather than the useless Karl Henry and our captain, CAPTAIN?  Darren Pratley!!!!!! Noooooooooooo never in a month of Sunday’s is he a leader |
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Post by wots on Apr 28, 2018 20:08:26 GMT
It’s taken the 45th game for our fans to chant ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’ Accrington and Sunderland it is then Thanks for absolutely nothing Phil Parkinson, positively our worst manager in history And amazingly enough not one "Parky Out". Not that I could hear anyway. Plenty of "You're not fit to wear the shirt". Beyond dire hoofball, unbelievable team selection, unbelievable stud selection from many players slipping on the sodden pitch and they watered at half time too!. Wasted almost every set piece. Has Wheater had a row with Parky or is he carrying an injury that no-one has admitted. No Little, No Robinson? The U23's would have thrashed that team and they would have been unlucky to get under 70% possession. They would have passed them off the pitch and had them chasing shadows. Send Parky on gardening leave and bring in David and Tony, Connor, Jeff, Jack and a few more why not, to make the last game enjoyable to watch at least. Forrest must be *****ing themselves. 6 useless, deluded Managers in a row. How could we have had such bad luck? And now we don't have one player that I truly want back for next season. They have struggled all year to pass to a white shirt, hold on to the ball, dribble, shoot and head on target, have any pace, get into great positions off the ball etc etc etc. The footballing skills of this team must be the worst for a long, long time. Well Pedro, I was as positive as a positive person can be (Hugh Laurie lol) and from what I could see of the crowd, so were the away fans... until the first goal... stiff upper lip and then the second pathetic goal killed the enthusiasm off. I posted before that the players must bear some responsibility for the style of football. We didn't string three passes together, never got near the goal. So, I agree wholeheartedly, the footballing skills of this team are the worst ever. We're not down yet, but it's looking bleak. |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 28, 2018 21:48:32 GMT
If I genuinely thought we could beat Nottingham Forest, I would say that we are staying up, for definite.
Theory:
For all intents and purposes, Derby County are effectively playing against Preston North End next Sunday for a winner takes all Play-Off spot
At least that’s what’s on offer if both of these sides can do Bolton a favour and dispose of Barnsley and Burton and I actually think they both will.
Sadly that’s where the happy news ends as we have not got it in us to get the victory v Forest. I expect maybe that we might get a draw but goal difference in Barnsleys favour will relegate us
And there was Parky gloating at Barnsley’s defeat mid week 😞😞😞
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 28, 2018 22:25:29 GMT
Well since I'd already resigned myself to relegation a few weeks ago when it was becoming obvious that Parky had lost the players, i can't say today bothered me any more than losing to Wolves, Leeds, Brum or Millwall did. Parky proved beyond any possible doubt with that team he chose today that he's run out of ideas and the players don't want to play for him. Ken obviously isn't going to sack him or I think he would have done it by now and will probably blame the players instead. That would of course be true in a way because the players today were atrocious and by all accounts uninterested. Surely though, Ken must ask why that is and if he can't see that the fault lies with Parky, then must be totally blind. If things stay as they are and both Ken and Parky are still here next year, I will completely cease being a Wanderer. There are so many better things to do in life than pontificate about a failing football club so next week might be my last ever Bolton game. I won't be there as I'm still voting with my feet and I do wish that, however hard it may be to do it, everybody else would do the same. I think boycotting the club in this match would send a clear message to Anderson that he has to make changes, starting with a new manager. I suppose that's a forlorn hope really, people will still go believing that's what good supporters do. Well I've been a good supporter for a lot of years but enough is enough and boyhave I had enough of Parkinson. By the way, anybody seen Joanna, she seems to have been rather quiet recently???
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 28, 2018 23:45:31 GMT
Thing is though W63, although we all said this, that and the other prior to today’s game, we all surely, In the back of our minds, thought we couldn’t lose today and probably should have won!! I mean, I said we’re doomed before a ball was kicked but that really was just my frustration and anger at PP, I didn’t really think we’d get taken to the cleaners, but there we go!!!
Ken will have to act and act fast, put a new man in place and make some promises he can keep or else future season ticket sales will plummet.
When we dropped last time I think we all thought that we definitely had the quality to romp league 1 with the players we had, this time it’s going to be a lot tougher because the same players are worthless and the loans have been flops for one reason or another. Ken has to change the manager once relegation has happened or the fans won’t return it’s as simple as that.
On League 1, I could imagine Sunderland coming back up under Coleman!
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 29, 2018 8:00:54 GMT
Actually rftr I did believe we would lose yesterday and what's more I think we'll lose next week as well. I said weeks ago we wouldn't get another point with Parkinson in charge and I absolutely meant it and believed it. It was clear against Wolves that he'd lost the players, they've just given up on him and who can blame them with his ridiculously, constant negativity. If he had any honour he would have walked last night and the fact he hasn't means I have now lost any respect I had for him as a man. He states he takes responsibility yet continues as if nothing has happened. If he really wants to gain any kind of respect he should do the decent thing and resign to save Ken having to sack him. I'm sure a settlement to suit both sides could be made.
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Post by joanna on Apr 29, 2018 10:38:06 GMT
I'm still here, WS63....and well done for goading me into a post, and making me simply repeat myself tediously! Exactly what I wrote after Madine was sold remains true: the players aren't skilful enough to play the sort of football the fans want to see, and it was obvious to me that attempts to try to force a purer style on them would mean that positive results would not ensue because the remainder of our squad lacks power, pace, vision, agility, athleticism, determination, stamina and basic skills. (No wonder, though!... as we have been prevented from spending any money on recruits of quality.) PP, as we all agree, has only one (depressing) tactic....i.e. to get the ball out of harm's way and up to a muscular, tall frontman....one who could hold the ball up, score his fair share, occupy defenders, defend aerial threats in his own box, bring others into play etc. Horrible to watch, but it was working well enough to stave off relegation, which should have been the club's absolute priority. Selling Madine without any sort of similar replacement was tantamount to suicide and false economy, given the near-certainty of relegation as a consequence. Once survival was achieved, however ugly the means, then we could have used the championship cash to build a more attractive side, using the youngsters and wisely chosen, able new recruits. With relegation, we are condemned to scratching around in the bargain-basement into the future. Survival would also have provided the perfect time to get rid of this very limited, uninspiring manager.Some say we should have blooded the youngsters long ago ( I haven't seen them so can't comment), and that there WERE signs that we could play a more attractive style of pass-and-move, but I never saw evidence of that myself. It's a game of opinions. It's good to have the debate. It's painful to see where we are heading. I have been quiet, choosing to let the facts post-Madine speak for themselves, and I hate the idea of repeating myself ad nauseam (and certainly of saying "I told you so", as you have managed to make me do!) But yesterday's team selection was ridiculous unless Parkinson trying to make a point to the chairman about what he has been left to juggle with. Whatever, his time is up. |
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 29, 2018 11:11:41 GMT
In response to the many posts on this thread, here’s my tuppence worth. I listened to the game yesterday and will say only that the selected team played exactly as could have been predicted. I agree with Joanna that an argument can be made that Madine’s sale without a replacement consigned us to the drop. I just don’t happen to agree with it. W e have plenty of attacking skill and goalscoring potential in the squad, ALF, Clough, Ameobi, Vela, not to mention several we never, or barely saw eg Taylor, Obasi and Hall. What we haven’t had all season is a passing, ball playing midfield general. Someone who could direct the play and, most importantly, play to the strengths of our attacking force. That, for me, is the blunder that will probably doom us. I just don’t believe that, man for man, we are inferior to Burton, Barnsley, Brum, and several other of the other teams around us. Even Millwall are no great shakes and man fir man no better than us. What they have, however, is a well set up team which constitutes more than the sum of its parts. To achieve that is the manager’s job. And Parky has been a dismal failure. If he had any respect for the club, he’d pack it in with the weak excuses, accept he has failed and step aside.
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Post by joanna on Apr 29, 2018 11:18:05 GMT
And in the four players you name, Paul, there is a distinct lack of muscular power and physique to withstand the attentions of Championship defenders.....lightweight players get swept aside at this level, as has been proved weekly.
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Post by Alptrotter on Apr 29, 2018 11:52:01 GMT
Sadly, Joanna, I don’t think we’ll ever know whether or not you are correct. What I do know, is that none of our forward players have been given any chance to shine this season. I’m truly astonished that, from all accounts, the junior team plays a pass and move style. There must be midfielders there who would be better than the less than creative trio Parky started with yesterday and has persevered with all season.
We’ve had so many games which were crying out for us to take the attack to weak and unconfident opponents, eg Reading, Sheff Wed, Leeds. For me, if we are relegated, it will be because Parky has assumed that confused team selection equals varying the tactical approach. He seems a thoroughly decent man, but is simply too limited for the game of today.
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Post by spanishjonny on Apr 29, 2018 12:45:11 GMT
When a manager of any club selects his team & subs he has to know that those players want to play for him and will give everything over the 90mins but what has become obvious since the Villa game is that ‘ something ‘ has happened?
To brrind Dervite back and leave Wheater on the bench and Burke out of the squad says problem
To play Flanagan over Little and leave him out of the squad says problem, he was that confident of Flanagan he took him off at half time and replaced him with a winger, Morais, who would have more use on the wing instead of Buckley
He will not be able to select a team next week to beat Forest because there is only about 4 players who want to play for him and the rest want to move on to another club without any kind of injury
Who’s to blame for this situation? PP, KA, the Players? All must share the blame
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Post by joanna on Apr 29, 2018 12:48:18 GMT
I take your point, Paul but it's always seemed to me that our midfielders are usually preoccupied with helping out the defence on the edge of our area, or they get by-passed as the ball gets lashed over their heads to some imaginary "colossus", post-Madine, on his own in attack. Once the midfielders make it to the half-way line, they are often out-paced and easily turned by nippy opposition players. Then they resort to fouling. Going forward, they rarely have the chance to be creative because their outlets, our wingers, also spend more time defending than creating.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 14:05:45 GMT
Just seen the chairmans speech so I urge you all to turn out in numbers to sing us on to victory on Sunday. Do me a favour it's the same shxt he comes out with before every home game so he can get more £ in his pocket. With PP still in charge it will be more of the same I don't think he grasps the fact we need to win to stay up nothing else will do. WIN COYWM
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6 useless, deluded Managers in a row. How could we have had such bad luck? And now we don't have one player that I truly want back for next season. They have struggled all year to pass to a white shirt, hold on to the ball, dribble, shoot and head on target, have any pace, get into great positions off the ball etc etc etc. The footballing skills of this team must be the worst for a long, long time. 
Darren Pratley!!!!!!
