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Post by Pedro on Feb 10, 2018 9:40:35 GMT
Please Parky. Let's change the hoofball now Broken nose Gary has gone. Let's see some FOOTBALL! Fulham are only 5th in the table and with our stat record from the previous thread we better score first!
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Post by OohMac on Feb 10, 2018 11:08:40 GMT
There was an unofficial match thread set up on the black market "a big test" so I'll just do a copy and paste job to what I already said earlier. Apologies for the repeat.
I've always thought that Fulham on the road were a soft touch. Especially out of the capital and in breezy northern conditions. BBC stats tell me we've only won 1/7 at home against Fulham - losing 4 of the 7!
It does also tell me that Will Brown is a doubt with a calf and Will Buckley ankle. I thought Jim White had failed to pass on the information that on deadline day Bolton had broken their transfer record for this wonder kid Will Brown! (Possibly a relation to Phil Brown) after a wiki search im now assuming that bbc journalist have the same problem as me auto correct and it is Wilbraham who is out!
Other good stat from The Beeb is that we've picked up a single point when conceding first goal this season. Losing 14 times on the 15 occasions. So it's blindingly obvious to me that we need to come out of the traps.
Expect it to be the same as Bristol with us starting with Walker chasing everything down and trying to contain Fulham. 2nd half making a bit of a go of it.
Think this may be a 1-3 defeat, or a 2-1 win. (BBC stats making my question everything)
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 10, 2018 11:23:37 GMT
Looking at the Cardiff threads this morning Pedro they were terrible at Millwall and lucky to get a point there. Already there are question marks starting to appear over Big Gaz and if he doesn't contribute soon he'll be under real pressure. I know he has to talk up his new surroundings but saying as soon as he heard Cardiff we're interested his mind was made up wasn't necessary. A little humility in there somewhere would have helped but I suppose that's why I'm glad he's gone. Too big for his boots and certainly not good enough for the level he wants to be at. Glad we took the money and got the services of Zach and Walker who make us much stronger. All we need to do now is stuff Cardiff next week, especially if Madine plays. As for today, if Parky picks the right team and stays positive we can win this, so 2-1 to the Whites for me and ta ta to the bottom three.
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Post by thegrud1 on Feb 10, 2018 12:03:00 GMT
*********There was an unofficial match thread set up on the black market "a big test" ********* UNOFFICIAL ?? whats unofficial?
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Post by OohMac on Feb 10, 2018 12:40:07 GMT
sorry, needs to have Match Thread in the title to make it official.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 10, 2018 12:44:41 GMT
Looking at the Cardiff threads this morning Pedro they were terrible at Millwall and lucky to get a point there. Already there are question marks starting to appear over Big Gaz and if he doesn't contribute soon he'll be under real pressure. I know he has to talk up his new surroundings but saying as soon as he heard Cardiff we're interested his mind was made up wasn't necessary. A little humility in there somewhere would have helped but I suppose that's why I'm glad he's gone. Too big for his boots and certainly not good enough for the level he wants to be at. Glad we took the money and got the services of Zach and Walker who make us much stronger. All we need to do now is stuff Cardiff next week, especially if Madine plays. As for today, if Parky picks the right team and stays positive we can win this, so 2-1 to the Whites for me and ta ta to the bottom three. I really don't want to sound bitter another Madine because there's no ill feeling and a huge amount of gratitude for now the taxman is paid. Allegedly. Prior to the move I did say Gary may struggle as when you're in and around the playoffs and you go in January and spend big on a striker who instantly expect that player to give you that boost and Madine is not that type. If I'm honest I thought he and proctor were equals last season, no doubt Gary upped his game but I think Cardiff have better strikers.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 10, 2018 14:18:36 GMT
Clough for Walker in the only change, which I think for the first time this season the majority of the fans will all say "yeah that's the 11 I would have picked"
If I'm going to be negative, and I am, it's the bench has a left back a right back and a centre back and no Charley, Noone, Buckley(injured).
I would think we will be chasing the ball today and our midfielders will be ran ragged. Only one midfielder on the bench makes no sense for me especially when Flanagan can play across the back.
Other than that largely optimistic. Think we're due a goal from Wheater/Beevers today too.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 10, 2018 15:10:33 GMT
Well that’s a shit start!!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 10, 2018 17:02:00 GMT
Given that Fulham have scored a she’s load of goals and are the form side in the league, I think that’s a fantastic result. Well done Wanderers and we’ll done PP credit where it’s due
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Post by OohMac on Feb 10, 2018 17:14:45 GMT
Fantastic result that. Only our 2nd point when we've conceded first. No doubt about it these lads have a bit of fight about them. In terms of safety the point does little but for morale, confidence and team spirit that will feel like a victory.
Yeah credit to Phil he went back to his 5 at the back and got 4 points from 6 against two good teams. He also told ALF and Derick they didn't fit in - actually that debate can wait. Happy days come on England to complete a good Saturday.
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Post by Alptrotter on Feb 10, 2018 17:17:50 GMT
Well, I have to say that this was the proverbial game of two halves. For me, a poor first half from both teams. They caught us cold early on, but thereafter wasted time at every opportunity and, while showing they can pass and move, rarely did so to any effect. While we looked second best, for sure they were nothing special. Little was having a shocker, while the game seemed to pass Vela and Derik by. Ameobi did a manful job up top, winning a few in the air, but he obviously lacks Madine’s physicality and continuing to hoof it forward was just plain idiotic.
Second half was better from Bolton, especially after ALF’s goal out of nothing. Clough had tried hard and looked useful but needs a goal to get him up and running properly. ALF magicked one from thin air! And what an excellent shot it was! Sheer goalscorer’s instinct for me. Morais replaced Little and steadied things on the right side and Robinson continued to dash forward at every opportunity. If only his football brain matched his stamina! Bolton came more into it and could even have taken the lead as Fulham looked shaken. However, as the half wore on, the effort of playing without the ball took an ever greater toll and Fulham came back into it. They had good chances to score, but, in the end, a point was deserved by us. A good result, if not an altogether convincing performance. If we can continue to score points every game, we should be OK.
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Post by andyl on Feb 10, 2018 17:19:12 GMT
Given that Fulham have scored a she’s load of goals and are the form side in the league, I think that’s a fantastic result. Well done Wanderers and we’ll done PP credit where it’s due Cold start. Dervite caught for second week running. Training ground goal 0.1. And a bad 20 mins followed. But Ameobi and Clough were alwas threatening. Clough had a good shot on target and then straight at the keeper when he should have scored It was uneasy at the back but we began to get into it through Robinson and Ameobi especially. You could tell they were uneasy from the number of dubious injuries and the timewasting. The referee could surely have clamped down.? If we needed further evidence for the argument that the post Madine era could be more productive that second half was it. Ameobi and Vela in due course went close but a wonder goal from Alf was the ultimate delight. Neat header by Robinson and left foot dipping cracker. Get in? We held the advantage for a while but their better passing also created good chances. Once it seemed they must score Good game. Very encouraging. Fair result. Ameobi really really good Alnwick 7 Little 5 Wheater 6 Beevers 6 Robinson 7 Derik 6 Henry 6 Vela 7 Ameobi 9 Clough 6 Alf 7
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 10, 2018 17:28:20 GMT
Yes, really disappointed I couldn't get there today it sounded like a very good match and a spectacular goal from "Mr doesn't fit in" again. Come on Parky, accept it that Alf is the best goal scorer we've got and should now fit more into the side without big Gaz. That said, another cracking performance against the form team in the division so who can be unhappy with that. I actually really like the current shape of the team but either Zach finds his shooting boots or we replace him with Alf. There should be no question of confidence now after the results since Christmas and even more so without Mr big head up front. Looking forward with confidence now that we'll stay up and I didn't think I'd be saying that with Parky still here. Fair play to him, he's learning to adapt to no big man and he's certainly instilled a combative nature into the squad. Well done PP but much work to do yet.
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Post by davidm on Feb 10, 2018 19:13:55 GMT
After missing my first home match for years last Friday (thank you Sky TV) I was really looking forward to seeing how we would change our approach now that Madine has gone.
The first 20 minutes were horrific.
We started so slowly and Fulham just passed the ball around us. Andy is right when he says that Fulham’s goal was dreadful defending. A cross from the left, where Little was terrorised, Robinson outjumped at the far post for a header across goal where their left wing-back was unmarked 6 yards out to head home. I’m looking at Dervite for that one as it was his area of defence.
We have had 8 days since the Bristol match to devise a system of playing without Madine but in the early stages it didn’t look like it as we just lumped the ball forward at every opportunity – instantly losing possession every time.
Fulham were really bossing us at this stage and passing it around us. Wheater made an awful mistake from a high ball and left the Fulham centre forward clean through but Alnwick saved excellently with his legs.
So after 20 minutes we were easily second best but we slowly got into it.
Clough created some space on the left and put in a cracking shot which the keeper tipped over and we woke up a bit.
Clough then missed a real sitter when Ameobi poked the ball through to him, clean through but he shot straight at the keeper. Their keeper also saved a Vela long range shot.
Half time came. We were deservedly behind but had shown a spark or two.
Second half started and Fulham claimed all the initial possession but we fought back and really through endeavour remained in with a chance.
Fulham are a strange side in that they were so much better technically than us you would think that they would go for the kill. But they didn’t. Instead they set about wasting time. Taking forever over throw ins and goal kicks and falling over for free kicks endlessly. There was no need for it because they could pass and move around us so easily.
That was their undoing as we started to pressure them. Le Fondre and Morais replaced Clough and Little and we deservedly equalised. Robinson excellently won a header and nodded on to Le Fondre out on the left who spectacularly volleyed home from 25 yards. It’s hard to describe how good that goal was – watch it on the TV.
Fulham creaked badly then and passes started to go astray and we press well. Vela volleyed narrowly over and we were on top.
But Fulham are a very good side and eventually got control back and hammered us for the last 10 minutes.
They could have scored, possibly should have scored but we hung on and got an excellent point.
At the end, a point each was fair. They were a better footballing side but we battled and harried them and scored a wonderful goal.
A good game and I am delighted with a point.
Alnwick - 7 Very good save to stop it going 2-0 after Wheater howler and steady after that.
Little - 3 Horrendous. The first half was the worst I have seen him play. He played right wing back and was continually caught defensively and just poor attack wise.
Dervite - 6 Blame for Fulham goal. Some better defending later on. Seen the goal now - NOT his fault
Wheater - 5 One dreadful mistake let Fulham in for a chance of 2-0 and an all round flap in the first half. Second half more solid.
Beevers - 6 Best of a poor back 3.
Robinson - 7 Easily the best of the defence with some good attacking runs as wing back. He must learn his defensive duties though, i.e. do not try and dribble out of defence in the 91st minute.
Henry - 4 Got completely overrun. Just niggled in the first half, got booked. Calmed down a bit in the second but did little or nothing to stop the Fulham midfield totally overrunning us.
Derik - 4 Same as Henry. Allowed Fulham to overrun us. Those who hoped that Derik could pass the ball through midfield are sadly wrong as all he did when he got the ball was hoof it forward.
Ameobi - 7 Not quite a central striker but did well. Somehow won the ball well from a number of high hoofs. Went for the spectacular shot a couple of times in the second half when a pass to a colleague was on.
Vela - 6 Worked hard but Fulham still dominated him.
Clough - 6 One good shot and then a terrible miss when he shot straight at the Fulham keeper when clean through. Linked up reasonably with Ameobi.
Le Fondre - 7 Tremendous shot. He is a recognised goalscorer and has the instinct to provide moments like that. Why does our manager fail to see it?
Morais - 6 Steadied the right of defence when he replaced Little.
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Post by Pedro on Feb 10, 2018 21:03:01 GMT
A great and unexpected point against a team that had won their last 5 league games and were and are still 5th in the table. Agree with David M's points and player scores. Thought Vela was slightly improving and nearly had a very good goal. When will the "hoofing" stop Parky ffs?? (Although to be fair, after watching the video highlights, the goal came via an Alnwick hoof!!) Great to see Alf prove that he doesn't fit in - again, Parky, give the lad more of a chance. Is that the earliest sub he has ever made? Hope that ref gets sanctioned. I was watching to see whether he would have a word with any of their players for their obvious and very unsportsmanlike time wasting but I don't think he ever did - disgrace.
From BBC: Possession Home 32% Away68%
Shots Home10 Away12
Shots on Target Home6 Away4
Corners Home5 Away8
Fouls Home15 Away8
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