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Post by andyl on Feb 3, 2018 9:32:35 GMT
I think Bristol City were superior when it came to passing the ball, and their team from right back to striker were comfortable on the ball. But for all that they created very little and on chances created cannot say they deserved much. I suppose 65-75% possession counts for nothing if a player can break away and drill one in from 30 yards! What we have, certainly on Sunderland, is a group of players who will throw everything at it. I suppose Parkys biggest success has been to install a great work ethic in the squad as a whole. No passengers. As I said we won the game on a wonder goal that you can't always legislate for. As someone pointed out though it needed Cloughs run to open the defence and 95 times out of hundred a shot from that distance will be easily saved or high and wide. Lady Luck meant today it killed three worms on the way in. What a strike. I'm not sure if the thinking behind the line up makes sense. It seemed to be pack them in tight and pick the tallest players we've got up front. Had we have started with Clough, ALF, Charnsley, Noone, buckely, etc might we have won the game still? Who knows. Great win for us. Brings more back into the pack. Negatives for me: Alnwick could have cost us the game with a blatant penalty. Distribution poor. Never looked comfortable. Though decent save from their only chance. Derick - pretty anonymous. Henry's passing for a midfielder was aimless and lucky not to have cost us with a 30 yard suicide ball. Positives which far outweigh the negative stuff- little and Robinson showing great energy(oh yeah stick poor crossing down for a negative. Powder puff chips in a la Feeney) the back three looked solid as a rock, Ameobi wonder goal but much more to his game, Cloughs back and looked a class above. Actually wanted the ball to feet, give and gos. And walker looked very promising too. Yes forgot the penalty. Don't know what it looked like on tv? But behind the goal he took his eye off the ball and just flattened the opponent
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Post by westandlower on Feb 3, 2018 11:46:27 GMT
Not sure what people are basing Walkers promise on.
He seemed to be given the Madine role but barely got his head on the ball and he certainly was not strong. I thought I had read that he was quick but he did not show it. Largely it wasn't his fault: Eden Flint is a very big unit and Parky's tactics did not suit his physique. Nonetheless Clough should start the next game and Walker has to do a lot more before I concede he has promise.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 11:54:11 GMT
I think Bristol City were superior when it came to passing the ball, and their team from right back to striker were comfortable on the ball. But for all that they created very little and on chances created cannot say they deserved much. I suppose 65-75% possession counts for nothing if a player can break away and drill one in from 30 yards! What we have, certainly on Sunderland, is a group of players who will throw everything at it. I suppose Parkys biggest success has been to install a great work ethic in the squad as a whole. No passengers. As I said we won the game on a wonder goal that you can't always legislate for. As someone pointed out though it needed Cloughs run to open the defence and 95 times out of hundred a shot from that distance will be easily saved or high and wide. Lady Luck meant today it killed three worms on the way in. What a strike. I'm not sure if the thinking behind the line up makes sense. It seemed to be pack them in tight and pick the tallest players we've got up front. Had we have started with Clough, ALF, Charnsley, Noone, buckely, etc might we have won the game still? Who knows. Great win for us. Brings more back into the pack. Negatives for me: Alnwick could have cost us the game with a blatant penalty. Distribution poor. Never looked comfortable. Though decent save from their only chance. Derick - pretty anonymous. Henry's passing for a midfielder was aimless and lucky not to have cost us with a 30 yard suicide ball. Positives which far outweigh the negative stuff- little and Robinson showing great energy(oh yeah stick poor crossing down for a negative. Powder puff chips in a la Feeney) the back three looked solid as a rock, Ameobi wonder goal but much more to his game, Cloughs back and looked a class above. Actually wanted the ball to feet, give and gos. And walker looked very promising too. Yes forgot the penalty. Don't know what it looked like on tv? But behind the goal he took his eye off the ball and just flattened the opponent If you look again Andy you will see the contact was back to back so who was to blame ? in my opinion the ref had a very good game and kept things well under control, as for the full back s crossing old habits die hard should practice all week on low hard crosses with the odd one pulled back to the edge of the box .
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Post by andyl on Feb 3, 2018 12:00:10 GMT
Yes forgot the penalty. Don't know what it looked like on tv? But behind the goal he took his eye off the ball and just flattened the opponent If you look again Andy you will see the contact was back to back so who was to blame ? in my opinion the ref had a very good game and kept things well under control, as for the full back s crossing old habits die hard should practice all week on low hard crosses with the odd one pulled back to the edge of the box . I only got one look just like the ref. but I'm sure Alnwick turned, hesitated, took his eye off the ball and in essence pulled out of going for the ball..if the opponent did likewise lucky Alnwick. In real time it looked a penalty to me..perhaps if I saw again I'd see it differently. But quite how the opponent fouled Alnwick as was given ? I usually defend referees but I have to admit I found this one pernickety and I thought he penslised some good,fair challenges. I'm told Dervite may have handled the one Alnwick saved?
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 3, 2018 13:46:41 GMT
Great battling performance last night, I wouldn’t say we were world beaters as the clappers on the BN have it as other teams with 65% possession will kill us off, but I’m not complaining as points are more important than possession I guess, it’s just sole destroying watching the opposing teams controlling us at home, but hey, a win is a win and much needed. Well done W63 for standing your ground and making your valid points on the BN😂😂 some of them comments from the clappers are cut and paste from other posters😂😂🙄
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Post by OohMac on Feb 3, 2018 14:13:10 GMT
In real time I thought that Reid backed into Alnwick but he doesn't Alnwick charges out, misreads it and clatters into Reid who had turned away. I think Derick blocked the refs view so understand why it wasn't given. Unsure what the linesman saw. I'm sure VAR would have gone against us.
I agree with AndyL, I thought the ref was conned a few times and gave very soft free kicks in very good positions especially Wheater and Little got the brunt of it. Luckily their free kicks were efforts that Owen Farell and Johnny Sexton would be pleased with.
A few times we were too honest and tried to scrape out of trouble when the ref would have given a free kick had we gone to ground. (Think we learned that in the last 15 and went to ground more and got the rewards)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 17:25:10 GMT
It could have been so much different if Wilbraham would have been fit he would have played 38 years of age thank god for small mercies 😂😂
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Post by wots on Feb 3, 2018 18:10:24 GMT
I watched this game in a bar in The Algarve, no sound and disco music playing in the background. It's easier to "see" the game without being influenced by commentators and pundits alike.
Regards the penalty shout being discussed against Alnwick, I thought it was the correct call. Reid went against all I had been taught in football and he pulled out of a challenge last second. Alnwick's momentum carried him into Reid. I think Reid should be lucky he wasn't injured. Just an opinion.
When the game kicked off I immediately thought how W63 must be feeling as the ball was punted forward. Fortunately, this wasn't the case for the whole game. I thought we played some decent football with the hunger of the young kids and Ameobi winning some good balls in the tackle.
I thought that were weak in midfield and Ameobi, although playing well on the right side in the first half, was isolated and were was anyone to pass to?
First half again and yes, Dervite left his man and I thought they would score, but he was to make up for that error in the 56 minute as a cleared the ball out for a corner in a bit of a scramble. My opinion is that if Wheater would have reached it first, then he would have toe poked it into, or even past Alnwick. Just prior to Dervites clearance, when the ball came in from the cross, why did he have both hands up in the air?
Ameobi's goal was well taken and deserved. Did he get MOM? He should have.
Andy, where did you get a 7 for Henry? I thought he was anonymous most of the game. In fact I can't point out anything he was involved in. Please correct me if I'm wrong. I know it can't all be seen on TV.
Clough should have scored, but Andy it went over the top, not wide. It was easier to score.
Walker played well and we have a good group of players now to at least get into the final third without PP's hoofball (w63). They need organizing into a plan A and a Plan B depending on the opposition. Let's not be one dimensional.
If we survive the season then fine, but even so, I think we need new defenders, 'cos this lot of Wheater, Beavers and Devite are too slow. All clutch and grab. We'll get penalized eventually.
What surprised me most of all was the mediocrity of Bristol City and earlier Cardiff City If these are the teams going into the PL. then standards appear to be falling.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 3, 2018 22:56:34 GMT
Great battling performance last night, I wouldn’t say we were world beaters as the clappers on the BN have it as other teams with 65% possession will kill us off, but I’m not complaining as points are more important than possession I guess, it’s just sole destroying watching the opposing teams controlling us at home, but hey, a win is a win and much needed. Well done W63 for standing your ground and making your valid points on the BN😂😂 some of them comments from the clappers are cut and paste from other posters😂😂🙄 Well I suppose I set myself up for criticism rftr, when I complained about Parky's team selection, which I thought meant Wheater was in the Madine role instead of trying something more positive. I was out of order but then some of the posters on there would have been waiting for an opportunity to gloat anyway. It certainly wasn't perfect last night and I would have liked to perhaps have seen Karacan in midfield instead off Dervite or Derik but I suppose against Bristol Parky did opt for safety first. I thought the first half you could expect the players to be a little disorientated with all the changes but in the second we were more like a team. I really like Ameobi in the centre with his size and pace and as others have stated, especially when Zach came on. The best bit to me though was a different and more positive atmosphere, or maybe it was just me? Either way I must be getting soft because despite that I was bl---y frozen!! Looking forward immensely to the next game now and starting to be more confident we will survive after all.
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Post by bonaparte on Feb 4, 2018 0:29:41 GMT
Didn't get to the match today, sorry, but cannot make sense of the comments . Ok a win, ok no Madine . Is there a way forward here? Or am I losing it?
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Post by andyl on Feb 4, 2018 9:10:30 GMT
Re Henry, methuselah, I sit in N.Upper with the end on view. I sometimes watch Henry when the game is in quiet periods . His positioning is instinctive and nearly always just enough to close down and divert an opponent. He talks constantly and tells teammates where to be and when he tackles he is hard and more often than not wins the ball
This would not be so easy to see on tv but I think his experience has been the key ingredient in our improved form after he came and when he was injured we dipped.
He doesn't do a lot on the ball and on Friday he hit one horrible pass that could have led to a goal.
He was excellent overall on Fri. At this point he'd be my player of the season.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 4, 2018 10:36:50 GMT
Great battling performance last night, I wouldn’t say we were world beaters as the clappers on the BN have it as other teams with 65% possession will kill us off, but I’m not complaining as points are more important than possession I guess, it’s just sole destroying watching the opposing teams controlling us at home, but hey, a win is a win and much needed. Well done W63 for standing your ground and making your valid points on the BN😂😂 some of them comments from the clappers are cut and paste from other posters😂😂🙄 Well I suppose I set myself up for criticism rftr, when I complained about Parky's team selection, which I thought meant Wheater was in the Madine role instead of trying something more positive. I was out of order but then some of the posters on there would have been waiting for an opportunity to gloat anyway. It certainly wasn't perfect last night and I would have liked to perhaps have seen Karacan in midfield instead off Dervite or Derik but I suppose against Bristol Parky did opt for safety first. I thought the first half you could expect the players to be a little disorientated with all the changes but in the second we were more like a team. I really like Ameobi in the centre with his size and pace and as others have stated, especially when Zach came on. The best bit to me though was a different and more positive atmosphere, or maybe it was just me? Either way I must be getting soft because despite that I was bl---y frozen!! Looking forward immensely to the next game now and starting to be more confident we will survive after all. I think when you voice an opinion that goes against the grain you will have to face the consequences. Most of the people on that site though aren't interest in a two way conversation. They just want to goad and insult when a result goes their way. May have to take your work on Henry then since PlayerCam was stopped. Quite a lot of negativity about Ken Anderson taking the money and not reinvesting. My point in the last 5 years hoe many players have we sold for an actual fee? Before Madine we've given away (for any reason) Spearing, Mark Davies, Max Clayton, Jamie Proctor, Tom Walker, Andy Lonergan, Adam Bogdan and a few kids. Maybe, like Sam, the business would be better off with short deals and owning a player isn't as necessary as we think.
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Post by joanna on Feb 4, 2018 12:40:27 GMT
Time to cease the mealy-mouthed, grudging appreciation and deliberate fault-finding. PP's achievements merit more fulsome acknowledgement and praise.
Appointed when sheer survival was at stake, he's won promotion against the odds with no money to spend on transfers and with a rag-bag of a squad, left by a succession of grim managers and a misguided chairman. He has utilised what he was left with and succeeded without investment, only able to scrape the barrel for loans. He has been forced to sell his best players. The fans may not have liked the style and tactics, but a pragmatic approach was, and still is, vital in order to simply continue to exist. Yesterday's performance, shorn of the club's top-scorer and with little time to practise a new approach, proved that PP can adapt, contrary to the perceived "wisdom" of some fans. He's getting the best out of what he's got and has galvanised team spirit so that the players look committed to him and the cause.
Those calling for his head should beware what you wish for:-who on earth could do better? It's more appropriate to slate managers whose clubs have spent millions and still bore the fans (Man U?), or who have achieved very little in terms of results (Everton?)
Get behind him and the team!
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Post by andyl on Feb 4, 2018 14:45:31 GMT
I think you are right re the atmosphere, ws63 and the crowd definitely responded to the first suuggestions of better football in that second half. And even more so to Zach's return.
As for getting behind the team that's a given but I ddon't subscribe to uncritical support in theory or in practice. I think lots of fans do see what's going on whether it was the work of Henry or Derik man marking in right midfield- noting his excellent first half pursuit of his man to crunch him and ball at left back.
Bristol C looked creative and inventive and we stifled them.
To my mind Madine was playing well but getting too big for his boots - good luck to him at Cardiff but I enjoyed Sammy Ameobi's game far more than most of his.
We need much more composure coming forward from defence but if we needed sny reminding when Morais came on that right hand side begsm to look much more fluent..if Dervite could just concentrate for 90 mins his strength is a plus in a three. And if Little and Robinson could stop overplaying and getting caught that would be good too
Not a great game on Fri but so very much more interesting so well done PP- I can certainly appreciate and get behind that level of endeavour, tactical planning, adjustment and man management. What I would say to him if we met was 'forget Madine' you had one of your best managerial games without him!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 4, 2018 15:10:22 GMT
Time to cease the mealy-mouthed, grudging appreciation and deliberate fault-finding. PP's achievements merit more fulsome acknowledgement and praise. Appointed when sheer survival was at stake, he's won promotion against the odds with no money to spend on transfers and with a rag-bag of a squad, left by a succession of grim managers and a misguided chairman. He has utilised what he was left with and succeeded without investment, only able to scrape the barrel for loans. He has been forced to sell his best players. The fans may not have liked the style and tactics, but a pragmatic approach was, and still is, vital in order to simply continue to exist. Yesterday's performance, shorn of the club's top-scorer and with little time to practise a new approach, proved that PP can adapt, contrary to the perceived "wisdom" of some fans. He's getting the best out of what he's got and has galvanised team spirit so that the players look committed to him and the cause. Those calling for his head should beware what you wish for:-who on earth could do better? It's more appropriate to slate managers whose clubs have spent millions and still bore the fans (Man U?), or who have achieved very little in terms of results (Everton?) Get behind him and the team! Fair points Joanna I’m not personally gunning for PP to be replaced but I would have just liked to have seen a different approach to some games where he pays more attention to the opposing team structure and tactics and adopts to suit, whilst also going for a change of style which isn’t enforced through injury and suspensions. I suppose we have been spoilt with BSA and his mega players (Djorkaeff Campo Okoch) and Rioch with his clever battling goal scoring players (Lee Walker Thompson McGinlay) it therefore makes me want to compartmentalise a position for PP and for me, he is as close to Phil Neal as I can think! Just my opinion of course. If we cannot kick on from the Bristol result then that’s a real shame as I’m expecting nothing less than a draw when we face Cardiff but I did say at the start that a 4th bottom finish is a real result given what has happened and we take it from there. Onwards and upwards COYWM
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