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Post by joanna on May 3, 2017 9:13:31 GMT
17 (?) players out of contract. Come on....who should we keep? Who should be ditched?
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Post by Pedro on May 3, 2017 10:28:41 GMT
17 (?) players out of contract. Come on....who should we keep? Who should be ditched? Ladies first. After you Joanna - good question.
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Post by one2many on May 3, 2017 11:45:12 GMT
Can someone list the 17 players please. Thanks.
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Post by thegrud1 on May 3, 2017 14:29:34 GMT
I,ll put my head above the parapit and say Wheater wont be good enough for the championship. Better/quicker strikers will cause him problems
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Post by OohMac on May 3, 2017 15:41:29 GMT
Boring answer but all depends on budget. It will probably be a lot cheaper signing Dervite up for instance than paying someone a sign on fee, agent fee and club fee.
I'm not sure how much you pay to sign a player on a longer contract, presume the agent gets a cut.
I would offer lower paid contracts to Madine, Spearing, Dervite. Would offer same deals to Taylor, Wheater, Morais and Alf. Would release Wilson, Moxey, Trotter, Thorpe, Long, Wilkinson.
And presume Derik, Pratley, Vela, Beavers and all keepers are signed up for longer.
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Post by davidm on May 3, 2017 15:42:43 GMT
Can someone list the 17 players please. Thanks.
I can only find 13 players out of contract this season.
I presume the others must be loan players (Taylor, Le Fondre, Henry etc) or youngsters from the U23s/U18s
Plus, of course, Morais, Karacan.
Players whose contracts end in 2017:-
Lewis Buxton Max Clayton Mark Davies Dorian Dervite William Jaaskelainen Gary Madine Dean Moxey Jay Spearing Liam Trotter Reece Wabara Tom Walker David Wheater Lawrie Wilson
Then there are 4 for 2018:-
Mark Beevers Derik Osede Darren Pratley Conor Wilkinson
plus Josh Vela, Ben Alnwick, Mark Howard & Ben Amos for 2019
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Post by davidm on May 3, 2017 15:45:57 GMT
I,ll put my head above the parapit and say Wheater wont be good enough for the championship. When he plays with Beevers, he is definitely good enough!
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Post by one2many on May 4, 2017 8:38:18 GMT
Thanks for the list David.
Various factors to consider here:
Firstly, the style of play. I presume next season will continue to be long ball. Gary Madine will be high on the list even though he is not a goal scorer.
Secondly, the embargo and money available for wages. I imagine we will be looking at freebies only. In L1 we were a big fish in a small pond. Not so in the Champ. Might be hard to bring in players better than those on the list.
Thirdly, formation, if we play with four at the back, we will need 2 left backs and 2 right (one to play one to give competition). Three at the back, and one rb and one lb as squad players will be sufficent. Personally, I would only keep Wheater and Spearing (presuming they want to stay!) but I think the ones we will offer contracts to will be the following:
Dorian Dervite (William Jaaskelainen, no idea tbh) Gary Madine Jay Spearing David Wheater Lawrie Wilson
I would have thought that Morais and Karacan will be offered short term deals to make up squad numbers.
Busy summer ahead for the manager and his backroom team either way.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 6, 2017 11:17:29 GMT
I think there's a fourth factor to also consider o2m, which is whether we will still have the likes of Vela and Beevers as both have numerous admirers. Both have had good seasons and Vela in particular can certainly step up in level. The club can't afford to reject serious offers so I would be surprised if both are here next year. Also, unless we can have the embargo lifted we can only sign freebies, not exactly the best way to build a team for survival in what will be a much harder league to survive in. Hopefully Ken will have some increased finance lined up otherwise I think it will be a serious struggle next season.
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Post by OohMac on May 6, 2017 19:30:43 GMT
Unless we get a massive investment the embargo doesn't affect us because our days of buying players are over. Lots of good players available on frees and loans.
Can't really think of any player I think we should be signing anyway
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Post by whitesince63 on May 7, 2017 6:56:14 GMT
I accept there are good players on frees or for loans but the fact is still that they will be in demand and if free expect high wages which we just can't pay. That means unless Parky pulls rabbits out of hats we'll get only the players others don't want. I actually think only 4 or 5 of our latest squad are worth keeping in the Championship but Madine is certainly not one of them. Those I would definitely keep are Wheater, Vela, Beevers, Taylor and Karacan. One or two others are possibles but the others I would release or sell on, like Pratley, if possible.
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 7, 2017 13:40:02 GMT
I accept there are good players on frees or for loans but the fact is still that they will be in demand and if free expect high wages which we just can't pay. That means unless Parky pulls rabbits out of hats we'll get only the players others don't want. I actually think only 4 or 5 of our latest squad are worth keeping in the Championship but Madine is certainly not one of them. Those I would definitely keep are Wheater, Vela, Beevers, Taylor and Karacan. One or two others are possibles but the others I would release or sell on, like Pratley, if possible. Interesting you say that about Madine W63 after we were all itching for his return to get us over the line. If PP's style of football does not alter, twinned with the fact that we're skint, Madine will still be here as PP has no other alternative. It's my opinion that investment is our only chance for consolidation or even survival as I don't think we have a cat in hells chance of avoiding the drop with the players we have. I don't want to dampen any spirits including my own, I'm just being realistic. Can you imagine Wheater, player of the season and rightly so, Beevers, Dervite and Moxey facing up to the far better striking opposition of the Championship, or Madine and ALF, Long or Morais troubling much sterner defence?? Possible and certainly not beyond them, but for 46 league games and countless other cup disruptions?? Anyway, onto my wish list. I'd love it if we could tempt Everton to give us a season long loan of that Lookman kid or if we could snare Danny Graham from the Dingles or James Vaughan from Bury.
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Post by joanna on May 7, 2017 16:33:37 GMT
I don't think so pessimistically at all.
I've just looked at the final Championship table and only the top 8 look genuine quality to me:- Of those, Newcastle and Brighton plus one other of the 8 will be gone and I certainly would not be in awe of the teams likely to be relegated from the prem. We gave Palace 2 close games this year, beat The Blades twice and the final League One promoted team will be inferior to us. I'm glad that Parky's players aren't as fearful and anxious as some of our fans!
Confidence is a massive factor in sport and it seems to me that we are building a squad with togetherness and positivity, based on a very organised and fearless approach......as demonstrated by our cool, calm performance in our final crucial game of the season.
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Post by whitesince63 on May 7, 2017 20:41:35 GMT
I don't think so pessimistically at all. I've just looked at the final Championship table and only the top 8 look genuine quality to me:- Of those, Newcastle and Brighton plus one other of the 8 will be gone and I certainly would not be in awe of the teams likely to be relegated from the prem. We gave Palace 2 close games this year, beat The Blades twice and the final League One promoted team will be inferior to us. I'm glad that Parky's players aren't as fearful and anxious as some of our fans! Confidence is a massive factor in sport and it seems to me that we are building a squad with togetherness and positivity, based on a very organised and fearless approach......as demonstrated by our cool, calm performance in our final crucial game of the season. Its realism Joanna not pessimism. We weren't a good team this season but we were sound defensively against arguably poor finishing teams which got us over the line. Signing ALF, Morais and Karacan proved master strokes by Parky but of course none of them could be guaranteed to perform as well against much better opposition next year even if we can sign them up. I think you're kidding yourself if you think the teams relegated from the Prem aren't miles better than us whether in awe or not. Yes we beat Sheffield Utd twice but if you saw those games we were actually very lucky in both. Palace we did well against but they were in the midst of a bad spell in fairness. I do fully agree confidence is key and I do accept that the team finishing the season could possibly just about survive in Div 1 but I wouldn't bet on it. Several of those have previously failed at that level and then of course we have the Parky hoofball question mark. I'd like to think he's learned from this season. I don't have a problem with direct football, it can be very effective but you do need the right players to play it well and frankly if we rely on Madine I think we'll fail. Ultimately it will depend on finances and if we don't find additional revenue streams we will find it difficult to sign players capable of keeping us up. Despite promotion Parky still has much to prove to me. I really like him and I do accept entirely the excellent job he's done this year under demanding circumstances. He deserves the chance and also hopefully the finances to show what he can do but whether he'll get that is debatable. I certainly hope he does for all our sakes.
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Post by Pedro on May 9, 2017 10:47:29 GMT
www.youtube.com/watch?v=klaQ1P7Yb3g ENJOY! Maybe some of you have forgotten a lot of the above. Hoofball? What hoofball? What a great season. Why do we need a 20 goal a season striker? Imagine how difficult we must be to defend against with all our team able to score great goals. Hone all these players shooting and heading skills and we will be fine.
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