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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 9:46:29 GMT
Yes Spanish it is a battle of wills I'm fighting one between spending what little money I have on going up to the ReeMac to get neck ache or stay at home and watch it on a stream. Everybody has there each own opinion of how football should be played but that is the word FOOTBALL not hoof ball. Let's put it this way if we were 7th in the league with no chance of going up we all would shouting for PP'S head, but now we still have a chance of going up were happy to just sit back and watch it unfold. If it all goes pear shaped and god forbid we don't go up what are the fans going to say oh but he has righted the ship balls they are going to want his head 7 points clear with 4 games to go and come Tuesday night it could be down to 1. Why go to Oldham with just 1 up front then start to play when we are 1-0 down what is that all about. All this crap about well don't go if you don't like it I have been going for donkey's years I can't help myself my wife say's why do you waste your money on them pampered poodles cause it's in my blood through thick and thin. Sorry for the early morning rant I will be ok later.
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Post by davidm on Apr 16, 2017 10:12:38 GMT
Am I fighting this battle on my own? I think I have said before that I have sympathy with both camps in this debate.
I am so delighted that we are on the brink of promotion. I dread to think what will happen if we fail but we won’t.
The chairman and manager have performed miracles to get us to this position and, as Spanish and Joanna, say did we expect or hope for this at the start of the season.
Credit goes initially to the chairman who, I concede, that I seriously doubted when he took over but somehow he has managed to get players in despite the transfer embargo. How he has done it, I don’t know but well done.
Credit then to the management team for getting us to second which no one could have envisaged. Remember the last time we were relegated from the 2nd tier. We just plummeted down into league 4 and things were dire for a good number of years.
So, well done Mr Parkinson.
My complaint though is like many. We are awful to watch. I can accept it if we get promoted and will celebrate with everyone else. My fear is that the same style of football will be played next season and on and on. The last 2 away games have been dire with little imagination shown by the manager and the players seemingly unable to respond.
But that is nit-picking at this stage of the season.
Let’s beat Bury and celebrate by giving credit to all those involved in what could have been a dreadful season but which is turning out to be amazing.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 16, 2017 18:21:46 GMT
Am I fighting this battle on my own? No, I'm with you, Spanish, as I know several others on here are, too.......look back at the messages on the forum when we had the same discussion just previously, and take comfort from those expressing similar views to your own. I don't want to just repeat everything you write above, but I'll simply say that I think all your points are valid and realistic. Considering the inherited state of the club and its squad, Parkinson has achieved a miracle. The injuries and the enforced departures with no cash for replacements further confirm that view. To expect them to play like Barcelona into the bargain is just madness, but, I'm afraid, reflects an unappreciative, highly unrealistic attitude, characteristic of many Boltonians who love to whinge. I have heard not one whinger suggest a manager within our price range, who could have done better and who would come to us, given our financial position. (BTW, we did try for Wilder at one stage. He chose the easier option of having a cheque book to fall back on!). Look at the grief Lennon was given by our happy band of supporters for his failures with our players.....and now look at what he has achieved with Hibs in his first year. Yet Parkinson has turned our fortunes around in a way Neil couldn't, with even worse problems to overcome! Be glad that we even exist and give thanks for our points total. This comparison with Sheffield Utd is ludicrous: as a big city club, they have excellent attendances and are not in ANY debt at all, so no transfer embargo. No off-field shenanigans. They have had a natural goalscorer, Billy Sharp, in their ranks for quite a while now. We have had to make do wit Madine and play to his strengths. Blades only drew at Oldham at the end of March, and we have beaten them twice this season! Promotion would provide some cash to buy players who might enable PP to vary our play. Those who say he is not interested in flair are forgetting Ameobi and Morais. Nobody expects us to play like Barcelona Joanna, that's a stupid comment, but we do expect a serious manager to adapt to the players he has in his squad, which Parkinson never does. The very fact that some are actually desperate for Madine to be back in the side proves everything. Madine is just as useless this season as last, except that the standard he's up against is lower. Parkinson has done some good things, I accept that, but he's employed to manage the team and the simple fact, whether you like it or not, is that our points total flatters us terribly. We are much worse than that and if we do eventually go up I'd put it more down to the amazing luck we've enjoyed than Parky's brilliance. He's shown not one ounce of tactical awareness, plays one way only, even if he doesn't have the squad to play that way. That's called ineptitude and that's Parkinson's trade mark for me.
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Post by greydad on Apr 17, 2017 8:03:38 GMT
I hadn't seen this thread when adding belatedly to the Oldham one, so I won't repeat the whole thing...put succinctly, expectations exceeded in terms of results, at times as good as anything in the division, too often predictable, inflexible, difficult to watch, but 6 points will see cause for deserved celebration and plaudits.... Let's hope tomorrow sees a return to winning ways.
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Post by Pedro on Apr 17, 2017 14:36:31 GMT
The "As it stands table" will get a lot of use in the next few days! www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/live-scoresAs It Stands Table Show me: UPDATE Position Team Played Goal Difference Points View full table No Movement1 Sheff Utd 44 41 94 No Movement2 Bolton 43 27 79 Moving up3 S****horpe 44 22 76
Moving down4 Fleetwood 44 19 76 Moving down5 Bradford 44 16 75 No Movement6 Millwall 44 12
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 17, 2017 15:56:39 GMT
THE PREsSUrE IS ON........ ONE POINT IN FRONT How did it come to this?
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Post by OohMac on Apr 17, 2017 16:11:44 GMT
No one is doing it for us. I just think the delays in both games haven't helped at all. Doesn't seem fair but hey ho.
Other teams have done their jobs and when you are in the automatic spots you expect to be put under a bit of pressure.
I'm calm at the moment only because it is in our hands and if we can't get 4 points from these games then we deserve nowt. Two relegation battlers and a dead rubber for Posh. If it wasn't a derby match you could hardly a picked a nicer run in for us.
Personally think it will be two draws and we still go into the last game still in 2nd place! Didn't even think Scunny were still in it? (But we do our job and they have no right to be there)
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Post by davidm on Apr 17, 2017 16:28:34 GMT
How tense are we making this?
Fleetwood have 2 very winnable games left - Gillingham away and Port Vale at home
Scun.thorpe (how are they back in it?) also have 2 "easy" games - Swindon away and Coventry at home
Bradford have it a bit harder - Wimbledon at home and Rochdale away
Having said that Fleetwood and Scun.thorpe have winnable games, well so do we. Like those 2 we have 2 games against struggling teams threatened with relegation so the fixtures are more or less equal.
We must assume that Fleetwood and Scun.thorpe will win both their matches so 2 wins (maybe even just 5 points) will get us up.
The Bury match now is vital.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 17, 2017 16:29:21 GMT
If we cock this up I swear I'll never put another Fishermans Friend in my mouth again!!!! Should I even be saying that??😱😱
Fleetwood will definitely take another 6 points as they have a far easier run in than us and I'm only saying this as local pride from Bury will see them battle for their lives tomorrow night in a typical Lancashire derby and if we fluff our lines at the ReeMac, the game v Peterborough at home becomes our next tough test as I struggle to see our goal threat at Port Vale and v The Posh Dare I say we could be staring at a double header v Millwall. How negative do I feel now with that statement😞 Come on Wanderers let's put the Cod Army out of their misery and do the job in a professional manner
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 17, 2017 17:00:04 GMT
I'd say that Scunny are our main threat now, they've come right back into it after virtually being written off only weeks ago. In fairness both they and Fleetwood deserve it more than us for the type of open, attacking, never give up attitude they've retained. It's been our total negativity via Parkinson that has put us in this position. Our failure to beat Chesterfield was a massive blow, had we won that as we should have, we'd have been almost uncatchable, but our leaders constantly negative attitude surely must feed through to the players. Continuing his hoofball in spite of it's obviously not working, his failure to at least try something different has all come back to bite him. We should have been up now instead of relying on others to fail. I really do fear for us now and unless Parkinson has a blinding flash of inspiration overnight, which I doubt, it'll be the same rancid fare tomorrow against a team who'll know we're now there for the taking.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 17, 2017 17:08:27 GMT
I'd say that Scunny are our main threat now, they've come right back into it after virtually being written off only weeks ago. In fairness both they and Fleetwood deserve it more than us for the type of open, attacking, never give up attitude they've retained. It's been our total negativity via Parkinson that has put us in this position. Our failure to beat Chesterfield was a massive blow, had we won that as we should have, we'd have been almost uncatchable, but our leaders constantly negative attitude surely must feed through to the players. Continuing his hoofball in spite of it's obviously not working, his failure to at least try something different has all come back to bite him. We should have been up now instead of relying on others to fail. I really do fear for us now and unless Parkinson has a blinding flash of inspiration overnight, which I doubt, it'll be the same rancid fare tomorrow against a team who'll know we're now there for the taking. I'd like to think that the flash of inspiration will have PP looking back on the videos to see HOW we managed to go on that run where we were banging the goals in and winning away from home and try to instil belief and confidence back into the team. Surely surely not can we look back on them wins and put them all down to Madines inclusion? Wheater, Beevers, LeFondre, Morais, Vela.... they were the ones bagging the goals not Madine, so if it is purely down to the goals being attributed by his assists an his alone, then we really are in trouble Am I silly in thinking this is a KA ploy to prevent us getting promoted as we cannot afford it??? Yeah, silly statement I know. Zola's just been sacked at Birmingham so if we do get up!!!!! Can we take The Juke back???
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Post by OohMac on Apr 17, 2017 18:52:03 GMT
Let's wait till we play our game before. We could blow scunny out of the water with a win tomorrow. IF we don't win tomorrow we will have let them back in, will have lost momentum and they would probably be fancying their chances. We do win and all that today will mean is that the fixture pile up was just an unfortunate scheduling incident.
Even if we go up though I still think Rolser, Alexander and McCall stock is worth more than Parkys and Wilder obviously has been the standout manager.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 17, 2017 19:37:41 GMT
WOW......
In the League One Top Scorers table, our highest placed player is 27th with 9 goals And he left for Notts Forest 4 months ago but the biggest worry for us after No 1 in the table Billy Sharp, it's No2 James Vaughan with 22😬😬😬😬 Think Spearing should take a red card for the team and take him out after 2 minutes👍🏼
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 17, 2017 21:27:43 GMT
WOW...... In the League One Top Scorers table, our highest placed player is 27th with 9 goals And he left for Notts Forest 4 months ago but the biggest worry for us after No 1 in the table Billy Sharp, it's No2 James Vaughan with 22😬😬😬😬 Think Spearing should take a red card for the team and take him out after 2 minutes👍🏼 Thats exactly my worry rftr, we'll huff and puff and hoof balls up with as little effect as against Chesterfield and others recently and when we get desperate and commit men forward we'll leave Vaughan to win the game. I genuinely hope somehow we get an early goal to settle a few nerves otherwise I really fear the worst.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 18, 2017 20:54:47 GMT
CAN WE DO IT? A resounding NO
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