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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 14, 2017 16:21:37 GMT
Today's results have brought my nerves back.
Still the same position - 6 points needed - win 2 out of 4 and we are up.
I hope we go for it at Oldham and get the first 3 points. It's the only way davidm We must go for it, from the off We must regain the 7 point lead so that 2 draws will suffice at the very worat COYWM
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Post by OohMac on Apr 14, 2017 17:49:25 GMT
If we go on and get the points then today's results will only add to the excitement. If we blow it then it will be our fault alone and prepare for another laborious season of mediocre football.
In all honesty I would be worried for the clubs future should be here next season. Ken will pull the plug I think and it could be The Long Goodbye for us as a club(I don't even think that's overly dramatic) should we go up I think we may get a buyer/investor.
But if all things were tickertyboo off the field then I really would have no qualms with playing in this league. I like that we are winning more than losing. We can throw in younger players(though we don't). The international breaks don't affect us and we have the best support in the league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2017 18:30:32 GMT
Come on let's be bold beat Oldham and Bury and have the rest of the season off now won't that be a first COYWM. Won't be there on Saturday but I have took Tuesday night off work to sing the boys to the championship.
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 14, 2017 18:53:19 GMT
Like you chip I can't get to Oldham for family, Easer commitments but will also be in my seat on Tuesday, when I totally expect to be celebrating promotion. Oldham won't be easy tomorrow but let's be honest, it's not the hardest game we could have had either. They need the points like we do for their own reasons so they have to come at us, which hopefully should give us the space we need to do the damage. Truth is, not much actual football will be played and I expect chances to be limited, so I suppose it's down to who takes the opportunities who will steal the points. I'm just hoping our luck continues and it's us.
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Post by thegrud1 on Apr 14, 2017 19:00:13 GMT
I,m going tommorow....must admit sticky bum time...nerves kicking in ,,,got to talk the talk tommorrow no excuses...COYW
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Post by davidm on Apr 15, 2017 16:01:56 GMT
We are really testing my nerves.
Hopefully, Monday can give us hope without playing. Bradford away to Sheff Utd and Fleetwood v Millwall.
It is still in our hands but, after watching the last 2 dismal defeats, how confident are we in the team to win at home?
A win against Bury will really help
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Post by OohMac on Apr 15, 2017 16:24:06 GMT
As I've said David, results like his really make me question whether or not I want us to actually go up. Imagine Newcastle Vs Bolton this season. Could be 6 or 7!
But that's just me having a post match sulk because ultimately going up was the main goal this season. Bradford and Fleetwood can't drop any points and we just need a win. We will do it. Just don't know of it will be the easy way(Tuesday) or the hard way(last game of the season)
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 15, 2017 17:20:41 GMT
Make no mistake, this was a hugely damaging result, not just the loss but the way we lost. Parkinson must have known all week that Madine wouldn't play, just as he did for Chesterfield, yet clearly nothing has been tried to find an alternative way of playing to better use the players he does have. I'm sick of his negative one dimensional system which he maintains even during the match when it's crying out for something else. Yet again one has to question why the likes of Clayton, Long, Karacan and Otabor aren't better used. One up front again today against a team at the bottom is just an insult when we have 5 or 6 other options. I've absolutely no confidence in us beating anyone else in the run in and what a sad statement that is. We could quite easily lose to Bury on Tuesday, poor as they are, leaving us in a desperate position for our last two games. Somebody please tell me where there's a chink of light because for the life of me I can't see one myself.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 15, 2017 19:55:37 GMT
Make no mistake, this was a hugely damaging result, not just the loss but the way we lost. Parkinson must have known all week that Madine wouldn't play, just as he did for Chesterfield, yet clearly nothing has been tried to find an alternative way of playing to better use the players he does have. I'm sick of his negative one dimensional system which he maintains even during the match when it's crying out for something else. Yet again one has to question why the likes of Clayton, Long, Karacan and Otabor aren't better used. One up front again today against a team at the bottom is just an insult when we have 5 or 6 other options. I've absolutely no confidence in us beating anyone else in the run in and what a sad statement that is. We could quite easily lose to Bury on Tuesday, poor as they are, leaving us in a desperate position for our last two games. Somebody please tell me where there's a chink of light because for the life of me I can't see one myself. I've just posted similar on the game thread W63 One thing did stand out tho about Oldham, think they've only let in one more goal than us all season and we were meant to have had the meanest defence. This team has casually got through this season, not kicking and screaming, just drifting, in and out of luck and your right, it's been somewhat tedious to watch. It really rankles me that when you look at results week in week out, poor teams have been beating other poor teams 3 4 and 5 goals a game whereas we have really struggled to hammer teams. I don't know what the real story was about when we were linked with Chris Wilder but he's only had one season to work with his players but managed to get them up as champions following on from making Northampton champions from when he took them on they weee heading out of the league, so it has to be respected that he's done an amazing job and will surely be linked to bigger jobs very soon. Parkinson??? Just got lucky, I think....🤔
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Post by spanishjonny on Apr 15, 2017 20:35:06 GMT
Can't agree there rfr, I'm not saying Parky is going to take us into the Prem but fair play to him this season, were not in second place 4 points ahead of our nearest rivals because of 'luck' Parky, from the start of the season has had to build a team from a bunch of under performing misfits and free transfers,with no money, under a transfer embargo whilst dealing with two warring owner's With Ameobi and Clough playing well up to Christmas we were looking good then he lost both players and wasted all January trying to find a combination of style and players to get back on track which he has done, big style! Ok we're having a wobble at the moment but for me he's achieved more than Wilder has at Sheffield Utd
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Post by riochforthereebok on Apr 15, 2017 20:52:17 GMT
Can't agree there rfr, I'm not saying Parky is going to take us into the Prem but fair play to him this season, were not in second place 4 points ahead of our nearest rivals because of 'luck' Parky, from the start of the season has had to build a team from a bunch of under performing misfits and free transfers,with no money, under a transfer embargo whilst dealing with two warring owner's With Ameobi and Clough playing well up to Christmas we were looking good then he lost both players and wasted all January trying to find a combination of style and players to get back on track which he has done, big style! Ok we're having a wobble at the moment but for me he's achieved more than Wilder has at Sheffield Utd Point taken spanish, but you can't deny it hasn't been pleasing on the eye!! I'm not buying that about boardroom wrangles and transfer embargo's, he's had equally the same quality of players as any other team in this league including the current champions, he just doesn't know how to get the best out of them. KA and DH don't motivate the team, pick the team, pick the formation, pick the strategy, it's all down to PP and from the games I've witnessed (10 home and 2 away) I've bitten my fingernails to the skin and seen some awful football, untimely subs and players out of form selected ahead of other players, some awful signings apart from Morais and he's dipping now. We have ridden our luck and apart from that away game spell recently and that came after some horrid home defeats and bore draws, we've not really hammered anyone. The hoofball plan A without a plan B has seen us collect just 4 points from 12 at the most crucial time of the season and had some two faced folk begging for the return of Madine (slated him majority of the season) just to accommodate the hoofball plan. Just saying.. COYWM 😜
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Post by whitesince63 on Apr 15, 2017 22:49:06 GMT
Can't agree there rfr, I'm not saying Parky is going to take us into the Prem but fair play to him this season, were not in second place 4 points ahead of our nearest rivals because of 'luck' Parky, from the start of the season has had to build a team from a bunch of under performing misfits and free transfers,with no money, under a transfer embargo whilst dealing with two warring owner's With Ameobi and Clough playing well up to Christmas we were looking good then he lost both players and wasted all January trying to find a combination of style and players to get back on track which he has done, big style! Ok we're having a wobble at the moment but for me he's achieved more than Wilder has at Sheffield Utd I think you're being incredibly kind there Spanish and I'm not at all sure Parkinson deserves it. I fully accept he's steadied the ship, although I think I'd put that down more to KA than Parky. Off the field problems can be used as an excuse. On the field though is entirely down to Parkinson and for me he has ridden on a huge tide of good fortune. He's never got anything back on track because he's never been on track. The whole season has been based on lottery football. Let's hump it up front and if we get a lucky break that's fine. No, tactical out-thinking of opponents, no different formations or tactical thought process. No changing to account for player absence or circumstance, just a relentless, hopeful boot up the field. It's crap and if we are lucky enough to make it to the Championship it will also be by luck rather than any skill or forethought on Parkinson's part. I know you'll think this is very unfair as we see it so differently but I genuinely think you're trying to defend the indefensible and your points in defence of him are more excuses than realities. It's the poorest "football" I've ever endured from a Bolton team, week after week after week. It won't change next season wherever we are and if you're happy to put up with that then fine, but personally I want something a lot more fitting of both this club and the fans.
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Post by spanishjonny on Apr 16, 2017 8:14:12 GMT
Whitessince63 "I fully accept he's steadied the ship"
Steadied the ship!! We're in second place 4 points clear of our nearest rivals with 3 games to go!
Twelve months ago we were dropping like a stone heading for oblivion with a load of overpaid shit players, no manager, no owner, fans drifting away heading for administration
Ok KA has sorted one side out but the opportunity to go back up at the FIRST attempt is solely down to Parky and his staff No matter what style of football he's been accused of playing it's got us back to this miracle position
He's turned Madine, a player of fans derision, into someone we can't win without Dervite a player ignored, rightly, by previous manager's into a solid defender in a back three Signed one of the best center back's in this league, who's scored 7, yes 7 goals, Beevers, and he got him for free, ditto Morais Picked up Taylor, not from a premier league team, but from Wigan who's in the running for player of the season!, and the other player's who've had personal best season's Vela, Wilson, Wheater et all
Come on credit where it' s due
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Post by spanishjonny on Apr 16, 2017 8:15:29 GMT
Am I fighting this battle on my own?
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Post by joanna on Apr 16, 2017 9:31:42 GMT
Am I fighting this battle on my own? No, I'm with you, Spanish, as I know several others on here are, too.......look back at the messages on the forum when we had the same discussion just previously, and take comfort from those expressing similar views to your own. I don't want to just repeat everything you write above, but I'll simply say that I think all your points are valid and realistic. Considering the inherited state of the club and its squad, Parkinson has achieved a miracle. The injuries and the enforced departures with no cash for replacements further confirm that view. To expect them to play like Barcelona into the bargain is just madness, but, I'm afraid, reflects an unappreciative, highly unrealistic attitude, characteristic of many Boltonians who love to whinge. I have heard not one whinger suggest a manager within our price range, who could have done better and who would come to us, given our financial position. (BTW, we did try for Wilder at one stage. He chose the easier option of having a cheque book to fall back on!). Look at the grief Lennon was given by our happy band of supporters for his failures with our players.....and now look at what he has achieved with Hibs in his first year. Yet Parkinson has turned our fortunes around in a way Neil couldn't, with even worse problems to overcome! Be glad that we even exist and give thanks for our points total. This comparison with Sheffield Utd is ludicrous: as a big city club, they have excellent attendances and are not in ANY debt at all, so no transfer embargo. No off-field shenanigans. They have had a natural goalscorer, Billy Sharp, in their ranks for quite a while now. We have had to make do wit Madine and play to his strengths. Blades only drew at Oldham at the end of March, and we have beaten them twice this season! Promotion would provide some cash to buy players who might enable PP to vary our play. Those who say he is not interested in flair are forgetting Ameobi and Morais.
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