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Post by andyl on Feb 27, 2017 10:50:32 GMT
There seems a fair degree of consensus in comments about how we polayed on Saturday and how we ought to play if we are a) to please fans and b) to get to the play offs or better. So far this season PP has usually been able to see what's required after a defeat and we have bounced back. I feel though he is open to criticism in respect of how he anticipates what to do after a victory or draw.
I presume Taylor , Madine and Spearing will come straight back. Moxey, Wilkinson and ne other will go out?Thorpe if concussed will not?
Key decisions he has to make are
1. Howard or Alnwick- that's difficult because Howard had such a poor game on Saturday and he was poor all round- even the one good save came after goalline hesitancy. Alnwick has a run of dominance and confidence but had gone off the boil. In my opinion Alnwick is the better of the two but a tough call- he could take the view that Howard was rusty
2. Is wabara ready? I think he has to play full back if he is. We cannot use Derik or Dervite at full back . Derik has been found out aerially and is no good on the flanks. Does he drop him
3. Not for me . I think we improved immeasurably when Derik moved to midfield and had Howard been willing to give him the ball at times with no one around we would have done better
4. Whom to pair Spearing with. It must be two.
5 To persevere with Le Fondre ? No point if playing with thee at the back or letting his keeper and defenders play hoofball. Contrary to some press reports Wilkinson did quite well on Saturday, Le Fondre was slow and weak. he will only be of use if we play on the flanks and cross the ball and Madine takes defenders away from him. I'd have liked to see what would happen if he was paired with Long
6. Do we have one upfront. Against Sheff Utd that was a no brainer. We should have? V bristol R and Wimbledon less clear we have to attack but not if we leave Spearing with one partner esepecially if Vela or Thorpe- too slow and too few
7. Should Henry start? No - his defensive work is abominable - he keeps no position. he could just score form the becnh but we pretty mcuh always underperform when he starts
8. Trotter? No some of you will howl and fans will scream.. But in a midfield thre he has a case? It's finely balanced because he remains a good creative player.
9. Vela- why not restore him to what he was doing well?
10. Solomon was no 6 loanee on Saturday..but he has promise and we do OK when he comes on
11. Should Beevers have a rest? For derik? for Dervite? For Thorpe if fit?
So what does this add up to. My fruit machine comes out thus
Alnwick, Wabara, Wheater, Beevers, Taylor, Spearing, Trotter, Derik, Morais, Vela, Madine ( or Long if we would just play it on the floor) Bench Howard, Moxey, Solomon, Long, ALF,, Perry Dervite
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Post by greydad on Feb 27, 2017 16:23:22 GMT
A good call Andy. If Wabara is fit then I think Beevers should play, and if Taylor is ok I would hope to see a better balanced and more solid defence, as we have seen for much of the season. I might be one of the few to agree with ypur midfield selection as Trotter is so regularly vilified, but he can pass a ball, and has worked well with Derik before. I would love to see Long start, we have lacked pace up front all season, but I imagine P.P. will revert to Madine , who has scored in recent games. Not sure whether Alnwick or Howard will get the choice, but would be happy if the former is restored. Much will depend on the availability or otherwise of Wabara and A. taylor....Moxey was rated quite highly in the Bolton News, but there is no doubt that the defence is better with Taylor. If Wabara is not deemed ready I would much prefer to see Thorpe (if fit) at right-back, or indeed Dervite, but either of those would be tested by pace. Pity there is no equivalent of last year's Maher or Threlkeld ready to step up.
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Post by davidm on Feb 27, 2017 18:55:40 GMT
For me, we have to revert back to 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 but definitely 4 at the back. We have been badly caught out with playing 3 at the back. The 4 I would have would be Wabara, Wheater, Beevers and Taylor/Moxey depending on Taylor’s fitness. I cannot have Moxey as a wing back.
In goal, it is difficult. Neither keeper has distinguished themselves recently. If pushed, I would go for Alnwick.
Spearing will return. I would pair him with Derik.
The rest of my side would require a major re-think of style by the manager which I cannot imagine happening. I cannot stand this hoofball football so there is no Madine for me. I would have Le Fondre up front with Vela restored to his attacking midfield role.
Morais deserves his place and would act as support for Spearing & Derik so we don’t get overrun in midfield and I would go for Solomon as a wide man. We could play Le Fondre and Long together with Vela just behind them if needed as long as Taylor is up to covering the left side of the field on his own.
So its:- Alnwick, Wabara, Wheater , Beevers, Taylor, Spearing, Derik, Morais, Solomon, Vela, Le Fondre.
Long and Madine on the subs bench in case things go wrong.
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Post by one2many on Feb 28, 2017 8:59:57 GMT
4-3-3 works well for teams who like to play football. We sadly do not! If I was in charge though....GK, back 4 of Wabara, Wheater, Beevers and Taylor, mid three of Spearing, Vela and Derik and front three of Morais, Long and Solomon. I think that pace up front will make defenders at this level struggle. The doubt is if those three can shoot straight!
In reality, we will more likely play hoofball to Madine/his replacement tonight and come away with a 1-1 frustrating bore draw. Our goal will come from a goalmouth scramble following a corner.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 28, 2017 13:20:23 GMT
I agree with a lot of that o2m. Birmingham actually see Solomon as a striker rather than winger with his pace and strength so maybe we should give him a try there alongside Long and Morais out wide. Alas, that would take improvision, something Parky doesn't possess, so again like you, I think it will be the usual punt up to Madine and another scrappy performance. I fear a defeat though as we seem to be going backwards so I'm going for a 0-1 to Rovers. Sadly I'm rapidly losing confidence in PP.
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Post by OohMac on Feb 28, 2017 17:40:53 GMT
When I pick an 11 it's based on fluent attacking football, who I think will cause trouble and how to score goals. But Parky doesn't go along with that so my team predictions are a bit redundant. I just hope that we do attack more, not tonight but for the remainder of the season. I think we've got better technical and skilled players than most in this league but at the moment are bypassing them for a hoof and set piece.
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Post by andyl on Feb 28, 2017 18:21:21 GMT
I agree!
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Post by one2many on Feb 28, 2017 19:23:28 GMT
Well after all that, I like the team he has put out! Different! Lets see if they gel.....
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 28, 2017 20:16:17 GMT
What a start, looks like we're actually playing some football for a change. Let's hope we don't revert to type later.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 21:58:54 GMT
What a start, looks like we're actually playing some football for a change. Let's hope we don't revert to type later. you got it dead right
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 28, 2017 22:02:05 GMT
Well what can I say??
Save the full match reports davidm AndyL, just read below
What a pile of 5hit we are. This is the dullest most unentertaining football ever witnessed in Bolton/Horwich. Let's not dress it up or down, we are lucky to be where we are in the league and will drive supporters away. The only difference to that in display tonight and a Lennon result is that we managed to scrape a point whereas Lennon side would have lost. Lucky, there I go again with that L word, lucky because they took the game to us and almost took the points. Sheff Utd must be laughing all the way to the Championship Poor tactics, subs and players that PP brought in I've completely gone off PP Rant over 😡
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 22:19:34 GMT
I will get some stick for this but I don't care fxck of back to Bradford PP YOU DEFENCE minded twxt you are a shxt manager with no idea how to play football just hit it long and hope I am so pixxed of with being outplayed at home and away and we just can't find a goal scorer we are just 4 points clear of the chasing pack for the play-offs what a shxt ending to another season.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 28, 2017 22:40:06 GMT
So glad I didn't waste my time driving to see this tonight and I won't be on Saturday either. In fact I've completely lost interest now. Parkinson clearly has not got a scooby how to put a team together that looks like it wants to win. What does he do to the players at half time? I've asked before why the players sit back when we're a goal up instead of pushing forward to make it two? Again tonight was another example. It can't be anything other than instructions, I just refuse to believe these players are that bad. Anyway, I'm done now until something changes. Totally brassed off with what's on offer and I've had enough. Good luck to all those who still need convincing but I don't think I'll be on my own voting with my feet.
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Post by greydad on Feb 28, 2017 23:00:32 GMT
A really good start, an excellent goal, and then the match descended into an all too familiar pattern of possession conceded, no fluency, and a continuing decline in quality. Howard seemed determined to gift a goal to the opposition, the control and balance showed in the first 10 minutes dissipated and things got progressively worse...Spearing unable to come out for the second half, Wabara was understandably subbed but the team then reverted to a back 3 and struggled even more. Long was incorrectly penalised in my opinion , but then chose to confront the linesman and incur a silly second booking. He had at least chased and harried with some enthusiasm whilst on the pitch. A point was barely deserved, and indeed looked unlikely, I can't really find any positives from the performance other than quality of Vela's goal and the opposition somehow being restricted to just the one. Team and manager MUST do better on Saturday.
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Post by andyl on Feb 28, 2017 23:02:32 GMT
Well he went with the team and line up I commended with two critical differences :,Howard not Alnwick, Henry not Trotter. So we had Howard retained after a poor performance and Spearing played in a two- which he can't do.
We began brightly enough. Derik hit a good low pass to Long's feet. He laid it off to Henry who found him with a return down the line, Long fired it past everyone. Morais picked it up. Passed accurately to Vela and we had scored a really neat goal. We almost had another when Morais ran on to a long ball and nearly nodded it over the keeper.
But from that point on it was relentlessssly downhill. Spearing battled but we were overwhelmed. Much of our unease emanated from a jittery Howard who had the worst game in memory twice escaping comic concessions by pure luck. He was quite awful
Spearing took a knock. Trotter came on and straightaway had a good run and pass but then settled into lethargic nothingness. Vela on a booking vanished. They had more chances . We were outplayed but hanging on. PP then had a brainwave. He had to remove Wabara who was struggling but opted for three at the back. That made it easy for them. They made a quick change too, targeted Derik and with considerable ease slipped through for the easiest of equalisers- this after we had cleared one off the line.
Solomon came on and did OK. Long vented at a linesman and was dismissed. He had a case re the decision itself but on a yellow card should have held back. I don't think we had a chance in the second half. Henry was all over the place- he really should not start games and we just looked devoid of creativity and incapable of passing. Ludicrously we resorted as ever to hoof ball and looked very poor- a million miles away from promotion form. Player marks
Howard 0 ( one near save but terrible throughout) Wabara 2 Wheater 6 Beevers 6 Taylor 5 Derik 5 ( all in midfield- four good passes) Spearing 5 Vela 6 Henry 1 Morais 5 Long 7 Trotter 3 Solomon 5
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