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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 28, 2017 15:50:06 GMT
Against 10 men we go a goal up and now we're losing 2-1 Summat a not right Parkinson??
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 28, 2017 16:37:16 GMT
And every time I look at Bury's result Vaughan has scored Few days left, id snap him up
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 28, 2017 16:45:47 GMT
Keshi HAT TRICK!!!!!!!!
Well done PP that was a good bit of business an I think that just proves you struggle to pass on a game plan that players can execute How we are 3rd is anyone's guess.
Am I on me own here? Come on fellow posters have your say!! B
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Post by andyl on Jan 28, 2017 17:24:06 GMT
What an awful game and how poor were we? Parkinson has had a good run but from the moment he sent out the same team which has progressively been losing confidence it was uphill.
We were gifted a free kick a sending off and a smart goal- the only skill on view. After that we were appalling
PP'S errors: team selection- refusal to pick or use Derik, pulling Vela back to midfield, ignoring Trotter yes! Putting Wilkinson on then Proctor - it smacked of desperation
Their first came after a mistake by Thorpe and Wheater led to a good free kick (Spearing note) and a mix up between Beevers and Alnwick. Their second after lost possession and breakaway
We were well beaten by ten men and though we pressed our standard of passing was deplorable. Henry refused to stay wide. Wilson was weak.Taylor passed backwards and mishit loads of crosses Spearing was everywhere and his skill deficits exposed everywhere. He had a terrible game.
No adjectives can describe this.. Clough was weak, Clayton misused and unfit. Our squad depth was awful.
Alnwick 5 Wilson 4 Wheater 5 Beevers 4 Spearing 3 Thorpe 4 Henry 1 Clough 4 Madine 4 Taylor 3 Vela 7 - not his fault he was neutered Clayton 2 Wilkinson 2
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 17:25:58 GMT
I never in my wildest dreams did think we could have lost that game. 10 men super free kick then we seem to have stopped playing it will be interesting to see what pp says after that we were shit sorry but I can't comment at the moment so đź‘ą
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Post by riochforthereebok on Jan 28, 2017 18:02:34 GMT
Whether they win lose or draw, other teams in this division are all flush with goal scorers and if our progression depends on Clough and Madine as a strike pairing then we're going nowhere and the sooner Parkinson realises this the better. On paper, we look to have the players to suggest we will get promoted but PP just doesn't seem to utilise them in the right way! We're now in a position were we cannot even boast a decent defensive record, so when we're failing to get beyond 2 goals up we can't even shut the back door. Season is going to end in disappointment if it carries on in this vein
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Post by davidm on Jan 28, 2017 18:52:33 GMT
What an absolutely terrible performance – all the way through the team and also the management.
We were totally devoid of ideas against 10 men for the second time this season.
The start was even until the 10th minute when a long ball caught out the Charlton defence for Vela to run clear on goal. The Charlton player pulled him down for a clear red card. We then got the best of both worlds when Clough curled in a lovely shot from the subsequent free kick.
So 1-0 up against 10 men. Easy eh??
No.
Madine made his one and only positive contribution to the game when he headed the ball across to Clough 15 yards out unmarked in front of goal. Clough managed to volley the ball well over. Should have scored. Who knows what would have happened if it had gone 2-0.
Thorpe then managed to hesitate on a challenge and let a Charlton man in only for him to be fouled on the edge of the box. Free kick comes in, we should clear but Alnwick comes and then stops and hesitates leaving a clear header for the equaliser. A really bad goal defensively.
We just spent the rest of the first half passing the ball aimless between the back 6 players and getting nowhere. Charlton sat back as they were entitled to do with only 10 men and the game drifted towards half time. We then had an attack where Spearing was levered off the ball. The ref let it go, probably rightly, and Charlton shot out of defence. Thorpe totally missed his challenge. Beevers, who had already been booked, resisted a dive in and suddenly it was 2 against 1 at pace. Note the “at pace” comment as we have no pace whatsoever. They got through on the right of the area and scored with ease.
A totally sloppy first half but we had 45 minutes to play against 10 men so no problem!! Silly me!
What a poor second half. We pressed like mad. Spearing wasted 101 corners. We played the ball endlessly sideways and had no ideas. Charlton put two banks of 4 behind the ball and left just Watt upfront on his own. And Watt terrorised our 4 defenders with good ball control and excellent running. The Charlton goalie did not have to make a decent save (I discount Clough and Wilkinson’s powder-puff efforts).
We eventually finished with 5 strikers on the pitch and were totally unbalanced. Thorpe had been taken off at half time so Vela was pushed back which neutralised him. Wilkinson and Clayton amazingly played on the wings and we were just lost.
Earlier in the season we would have won that game 1-0 (remember Coventry) but our defence has lost all form. The 4th time that we have conceded 2 in the last 5 games.
This is the 3rd match running where I have said that we will not get promoted playing like this.
It was terrible, gutless, lacking tactics – just shocking.
Alnwick - 4 What a mess he made of the first goal. Came for the cross, hesitated, stopped and left an easy header.
Wilson - 4 Caught a couple of times and just could not help with the attack.
Beevers - 5 Totally bemused by their one and only attacker. He was run ragged.
Wheater - 5 Same as Beevers. He was run ragged by Watts who just outran him.
Taylor A - 4 Got forward a lot but contributed little. Poor centres – just no danger from him.
Spearing - 3 Probably the worst set of corners seen this season. Poor distribution.
Thorpe - 2 Awful. Hesitated and did not tackle when he should have done which led to the free kick for the first goal. Totally beaten in the break for the second. Pedestrian.
Henry - 4 Contributed nothing. Little or no attacking. Poor.
Vela - 5 First half OK but pushed deeper in the second half which took away his main attributes.
Clough - 5 Excellent free kick for the goal but badly missed from 15 yards to make it 2-0. Ineffective in the second half.
Madine - 2 Awful. He won one header which Clough should have scored from but that was it. Terrible with the ball at his feet.
Clayton - 4 Stuck out on the left and couldn’t create anything.
Wilkinson - 4 Brought on as sub for Henry and stuck on the right wing. He is NOT a winger. He actually looked as though he cared unlike some of his teammates.
Proctor - 3 Not on for long but, as usual, nothing.
Manager - 2 Tactically inept. He had 5 strikers on at the end but no plan what to do with them. Outthought for the second time this season by Karl Robinson.
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Post by thegrud1 on Jan 28, 2017 19:25:16 GMT
For me this loss was down to PP.s tactics As soon as their player got sent off we should have gone with 2 up front instead we keep to plan A with madine as lone striker Vela was playing as a centre back for most of the second half with Spearing as attacking Midfielder !!!!!surely the other way round !!!!!!! Derik gives more going forward than Thorpe for gods sake we were plying against 10 men!!!! Bringing Proctor on solves nothing ...not exactly a goalscorer. I,ve said it b4 ,,,,Clough looks leggy and offers nothing at the moment...time to rest him! Probly the worst game at the Macron this season,a very poor team performance with nobody deserving more than a 5 / 10
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Post by whitesince63 on Jan 28, 2017 21:24:44 GMT
I don't think I can add anything more than I've been saying for many weeks now. Much as I respect how Parkinson has steadied the ship we have enjoyed lucky results since our very first game against Sheffield United. Parkinson only knows and plays one way and it's not a good way. Anderson's three goals today illustrates perfectly the naive and negative mindset Parkinson has. He could have done that for us given a chance but that wouldn't fit in with Parkinson's style so the chance never came. Even the most stubborn and myopic manager would by now have concluded that Madine is beyond hope, that Thorpe is likewise and that sticking 4-5 forwards on together (not for the first time) rather than establishing a balanced midfield to feed the forwards is pointless. Sorry, but I've had enough of this garbage so until a change is made I'm out. Good luck to the more patient, I'm just sick to the back teeth of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2017 21:37:15 GMT
Well I have just got home and had chance to calm down a bit but not a lot. I am sick of seeing Madine on his backside with his arms up trying to get a free kick' if he put more effort into trying to win the ball instead of throwing himself at the player he might get somewhere. As I said before great free kick then we proceeded to chuck the game away I don't know why we keep passing the ball between our six men at the back as it was shxt to see, and why can't we shoot for the love of Mick somebody shoot it's killing me watching the team at the moment. I give the whole team 1 out of 10 for the free kick that's it.
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Post by greydad on Jan 28, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
An abject performance, Clough's free kick being the only positive to be taken from the game. I had thought that P.P. had been getting the best out of his squad more often than not this season, but today was poor in the extreme...two recurring themes have dominated post match comment, consistently poor passing, and lack of impetus going forward. Against 10 men Derik and Trotter would surely have been better options as subs than those used today...they are both good , progressive passers of the ball, able to drive others forward at pace. Yes, Trotter had an awful game when last used, but the space that would have been available to him today against 10 men might well have allowed he and Derik to inspire another Port Vale like cameo in which they both excelled. As I type this Keshi A is scoring his hat-trick on the highlights show, that's really rubbing salt in the wound, and MK Dons have followed up their 5 goals last week with another 4 today...things need to improve dramatically and quickly if the Whites are to get anything out of next Saturday's visit.
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Post by bonaparte on Jan 29, 2017 7:46:47 GMT
For me two things sum up the match, lack of creativity and lack of pace. Charlton could see the plan, pass along the backs, out to the wing cut back or inside and lob a hopeful ball onto the heads of the defenders. I cannot recall a single time when we turned the defence. Very poor all round, but not Trotter for me at any price.
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Post by joanna on Jan 29, 2017 10:05:21 GMT
Totally agree with Bonaparte. It's horrifying to see how much difference the loss of a single player, Ameobi, has caused to the speed of our build-up play, our predictability and capacity to turn the defence.
However, I presume greydad is joking when he suggests that Trotter is "able to drive others forward at pace!" As Boney says, the pedestrian Trotter would slow us down still further. You have to possess the skills of a Le Tissier to compensate for carthorse pace.....and Liam most certainly does not possess such talent.
Parky is limited by his squad's deficiencies but, like a succession of BW managers before him, seems increasingly unable to find tactics that allow our players to occupy their optimum positions on the field.
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Post by joanna on Jan 29, 2017 10:22:03 GMT
Just to clarify the above, I'm referring to Trotter's lack of speed of thought, his reaction-time, the time it takes him to get moving and to get his brain in gear.... as well as his pace over the ground. For a big man, he doesn't even use his physique as some compensation. Get him off the wage bill.
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Post by greydad on Jan 29, 2017 10:31:25 GMT
I was referring to the ability of passing a ball progressively and with pace rather than the player's pace of movement...both Trotter and Derik are able to 'ping' balls quickly, and my evidence is based on one of the few occasions that they have played together in midfield, and at the Macron. I would far rather have seen more creative options used yesterday than those selected by the manager.
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