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Post by Pedro on Oct 1, 2016 18:48:13 GMT
If you watched the shooting practice just before kick off you would not be surprised that we don't hit the age often enough. With only the goalie to beat we only scored in the ratio 1 goal from 3 attempts last time. The players need to take it more seriously. It has been embarrassing to watch for years now. WHY ffs?
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Post by joanna on Oct 1, 2016 18:57:59 GMT
I don't want to sound like a broken record but any manager who thinks Trotter is worth his place should not be in charge of the team.
Trotter sums up all that is wrong with us: lacks athleticism, desperately slow, easily turned and by-passed. For a big bloke, he doesn't use his frame combatively enough.....but, worst of all, he simply makes little effort to rouse himself, setting a terrible, lethargic example that is bound to cause resentment in the other players on the pitch.
The new signings lack both pace and power which are essential requirements.
The tactics are dire. Sadly, all the signs are that we have appointed a manager who is even more depressingly inept than the previous few....even worse than the appallingly delusional Freedman.
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Post by davidm on Oct 1, 2016 19:09:24 GMT
On transfer deadline day, we signed 5 players.
Today 4 out of the 5 started on the bench.
Doesn't say much does it!!!
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Post by greydad on Oct 1, 2016 19:16:07 GMT
Like rtf I can't understand Henry's withdrawal either, he at least had a go at getting forward. One of the problems that is becoming glaringly obvious is that our bench has not a single specialist option in midfield...Derik must be mystified at his inability to break into the team, but even he is not a midfielder by trade. Other than Derik we had on the bench what should be 3 decent attacking options, who collectively failed to spark when used, an experienced keeper and 3 defenders... not a single creative/attacking midfielder. Last season's almost indecent abundance of midfielders ( at least in quantity, if not quality) seems a long way away, and it is getting to the point where the likes of Perry and Earing must be given some consideration, as should Samidazeh, as rtf and Pedro have already suggested. Losing Pratley and Davies is not something that many teams could have easily compensated for at this level but the few ,very few chances the team creates continue to be squandered...with more attacking support from midfield the number of chances would hopefully increase, along with the (however slight) likelihood of some being converted. We know Clough can finish, Madine has actually scored 3 goals this season, but not one clear opportunity was created for either of them today. 1 win and 3 goals in 7 matches, and 4 points out of 21 makes for awful stats...for the first time in a long time I am struggling to find a glimmer of optimism after today's performance.
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 1, 2016 22:32:30 GMT
Well I've just got back home to Lincoln after calling off at the hospital in Rotherham to see my daughter who is expecting my new granddaughter any day now (hopefully!!). I definitely needed some cheering up after the most inept and abysmal display I think I've ever seen from a Wanderer's team. In the word team I include the manager because that triple substitution was the most ridiculous thing I've seen from a so called professional manager in my life. Madine just back from injury I can accept, Clough less so as I believe he needed a 90 minute performance, but Henry who was our best attacking player? How utterly ridiculous. I'm only a layman but like most I suspect consider that the problem was not the strikers but the lack of midfield creation behind them. With Vela consigned to right back we lost one of our few attacking midfield options and let's face it, we don't have many. I also disagree that there was less punting today. Almost every ball Madine got was head high and what about when we get a free kick 5 yards from the centre line and Howard comes out to take it? The fact it was hoofed into their area and straight into their keepers hands just makes it worse. I could go on but I'd only depress myself even more. Anyway, that's me done for a while as I'm not travelling to see any more of that dross. Whelan got rid of Coyle PDQ when it was obvious he'd made a mistake for Wigan. Let's hope KA is of like mind because we're only going down with this clown.
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Post by Trotter on Oct 2, 2016 7:32:11 GMT
Oh dear, the honeymoon is well and truly over for P.P, even the stats are disaponting no team whoever it is will not win any game if you do not have a shot on target that is stating the obvious so the obvious thing now for P.P is to coach the squad into producing what paying fans want which is goals.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 2, 2016 10:09:40 GMT
As much as I don't want to sack another manager I think we need to for 3 reasons. Firstly Bolton still has a reputation of being somewhat of a big fish in this league. We could still get a decent coach. For me it had to be Warnock.
But the other reasons are fairly obvious. We've just lost to Oxford. At home and again not looked like scoring. If you play Walsall with then men for over an hour, rochdale and Oxford and dont score never mind picking up a single point then that's relegation nailed on. And the 3rd reason is that the majority of Bradford fans are now saying that this guy won't change. They're flying up in the league and were free falling. Needs to go before it's too late.
I accept that in a long season you will get shock results and anomalies but don't think losing to Oxford was a shock. Can't score don't create and prone to defensive mistake.
League two here we come
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 2, 2016 11:18:54 GMT
As much as I don't want to sack another manager I think we need to for 3 reasons. Firstly Bolton still has a reputation of being somewhat of a big fish in this league. We could still get a decent coach. For me it had to be Warnock. But the other reasons are fairly obvious. We've just lost to Oxford. At home and again not looked like scoring. If you play Walsall with then men for over an hour, rochdale and Oxford and dont score never mind picking up a single point then that's relegation nailed on. And the 3rd reason is that the majority of Bradford fans are now saying that this guy won't change. They're flying up in the league and were free falling. Needs to go before it's too late. I accept that in a long season you will get shock results and anomalies but don't think losing to Oxford was a shock. Can't score don't create and prone to defensive mistake. League two here we come Couldn't have put it better myself OoM
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Post by thegrud1 on Oct 2, 2016 12:39:33 GMT
Re-arrange this into a famous phrase or saying.......off come wheels have the !!!
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 2, 2016 12:44:47 GMT
Likewise you two. The thought of sacking yet another manager is terrible to me too but sometimes you just have to face facts. We employed the wrong man. Driving home last night I listened to his interview and at no time did he attribute any blame for the current situation on himself or his tactics, just the players who let him down. I accept that they did but surely you look at yourself too and accept that what you are doing isn't working. It's clear as you say from Bradford fans posting that he didn't change there so why should we even kid ourselves that he would here. The naivety of that mass substitution yesterday proved to me how little understanding of the game he has. When it was clear, and has been all season, that the problem lies in midfield, in tactics and shape as there is zero support for the strikers other than a big hoof up to them. Why can he not see what the rest of us can? I've despaired with our so called "professional" managers in recent years and yet again feel we have taken a backward step. I wonde if this was the cause of the break up between KA and Deano? Who knows but certainly we need someone with an attacking mindset because I genuinely believe that would prove the group of players we have are nowhere near as bad as they are being made to look and that includes Trotter!!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 2, 2016 13:33:43 GMT
I suppose the danger here yet again is that we cannot afford to get rid of PP as we ain't got the finances to pay him off. On another note, I bet Stubbsy wishes he'd stayed at Hibs now!! I'd still go for Warnock now but I don't think his wife wants him up North. He's somewhere in Devon convalescing
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 2, 2016 16:18:23 GMT
I suppose the danger here yet again is that we cannot afford to get rid of PP as we ain't got the finances to pay him off. On another note, I bet Stubbsy wishes he'd stayed at Hibs now!! I'd still go for Warnock now but I don't think his wife wants him up North. He's somewhere in Devon convalescing I don't think there's any chance of our sacking him, certainly not yet anyway, but surely there must be some serious words being shed with him by KA who must be just as disappointed as we are at results and performances. This can't go on surely. Let's look at this logically, here we are in the third division and being humiliated by clubs whose standing is way below ours. I don't want to insult or patronise any of them but come on, Oxford, Walsall, Rochdale, REALLY?? This just has to be totally unacceptable, especially given the squad we have, which I don't accept is anywhere near as bad as results suggest. The players just don't look like they have a clue what they're doing, are completely devoid of confidence and look like they don't know where the goal is. Yesterday, as previously, when players did have a chance to break or shoot, never did they head goalwards, they just ran away from goal as if embarrassed to have a chance. I've never seen a team so devoid of ideas. No dribbling, no pace, weak challenges and most concerning nobody even looking to shoot. It's appalling but I'm sorry to say that I just don't have any confidence in Phil Parkinson to resolve it. Where we go from here is anyone's guess but it doesn't look good and I'm afraid that I can't see where the next goal or point is coming from. As for Warnock, not a chance unfortunately. One person I would like to see here though and who I think would be exactly what we need is Mike Phelan. I know he's at Hull just now but I have a feeling he won't be for too long. I'd like someone who has a point to prove and is attack minded. MP would fit the bill for me but alas I think we'll be stuck with what we have for a good while longer. 😢
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Post by greydad on Oct 2, 2016 17:04:42 GMT
Re: rftr's comment about Stubbs and Rotherham I also have family there, and keep an eye on their results as they were the first team I saw as a nipper..they are struggling at the foot of the table but gave Newcastle a real fight from all accounts, hitting the woodwork and had shots cleared off the line. At least their fans seem to have seen some genuine attacking intent, something that is almost totally lacking with Bolton at the moment. I don't really want to think of the manager being sacked so early in the season, and thought that for a while yesterday the team had more balance and a little more cohesion, but the second half became more and more worrying as time went on. How many more poor results will be tolerated before K.A. has had enough I'm not sure, but a solution to the problems currently besetting the team is absolutely imperative, and however unhappy the Bradford fans might have been with the style of play it must have been better than the fare we have been served throughout September, and yesterday. On a brighter note, best wishes to whitesince63 for the impending arrival!
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Post by OohMac on Oct 2, 2016 17:20:04 GMT
I don't know why you think we have no chance with Warnock, he's desperate for work. In the north with a club like ours think would be a perfect fit for him. 12 months too late.
Can't understand how you think he's unrealistic but then throw in Phealan who is at a Premiership club and won manager of the month(ha, for all that's worth).
I'd be willing to give PP more time if he came out and said its not good enough, we will learn and I will make sure that next week we will be better.
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Post by BL2 on Oct 2, 2016 20:51:28 GMT
I'd be willing to give PP more time if he came out and said its not good enough, we will learn and I will make sure that next week we will be better. He's come out with words to that effect in the BN after every recent game. All that happens is we perform even worse in the next match. He's got to change things quickly or go. We can't carry on like this.
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