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Post by joanna on May 21, 2016 18:05:45 GMT
Have said this many times before on here:- what an appalling referee! He gets so many big decisions wrong. He's already made three diabolical decisions of huge significance in the cup final and it's only half-time! I hate the way he is so familiar with the top players as well....very unprofessional. He should never be allowed to referee big games.
He owes Pardew an apology.
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 21, 2016 18:24:58 GMT
Yeah I saw the bit where he was laughing and joking and being all touchy feely with Ferguson Your right though Joanna, he owes the trophy to Palace as well as an apology
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 21, 2016 18:30:00 GMT
Not trying to be too over synical but at 95.05 Clattenberg had the whistle in his mouth to blow, then United got the ball and he took it out until they lost possession and then he blew
Bloody cheat
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 20:10:39 GMT
said ages ago that this bloke is useless the only reason I can see he gets big games is that someone owes him money game after game he makes huge errors , time he give up .
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Post by davidm on May 22, 2016 10:18:59 GMT
Totally agree with everything said above. He was so quick blowing each time and then somehow justified it by booking the players. Really poor.
A few other points about the match:-
1. - the first 70 minutes must have been the most boring final for years. A terrible advert for English football. Palace determined to defend and hopefully catch United on the break. How poor was Zaha - he wasted practically every break. United were just content to pass, pass, pass and get nowhere. United deserved to win but it was awful. I watched the Scottish Cup Final beforehand. What a cracking game. The players were obviously not as talented as the English final but it made it a cracking game.
2. - how bad was Chris Smalling! He will be our centre half in the Euros and he was terrible.
3, - was that the poorest build up to a match? Tini Tempa (or whatever he's called) delayed everything so it kicked off late. The band and the choir were out of step for Abide With Me. The choir seem to be one note behind and the poor girl who sang God Save The Queen! Well - she and the band could have been performing different songs, it was so bad.
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Post by riochforthereebok on May 22, 2016 12:58:55 GMT
Totally agree with everything said above. He was so quick blowing each time and then somehow justified it by booking the players. Really poor.
A few other points about the match:-
1. - the first 70 minutes must have been the most boring final for years. A terrible advert for English football. Palace determined to defend and hopefully catch United on the break. How poor was Zaha - he wasted practically every break. United were just content to pass, pass, pass and get nowhere. United deserved to win but it was awful. I watched the Scottish Cup Final beforehand. What a cracking game. The players were obviously not as talented as the English final but it made it a cracking game.
2. - how bad was Chris Smalling! He will be our centre half in the Euros and he was terrible.
3, - was that the poorest build up to a match? Tini Tempa (or whatever he's called) delayed everything so it kicked off late. The band and the choir were out of step for Abide With Me. The choir seem to be one note behind and the poor girl who sang God Save The Queen! Well - she and the band could have been performing different songs, it was so bad.
Hahaha spot on davidm I was wondering when she was gonna start singing!! Yeah Tiny Temper what a load of crap, leave that for MTV It's about time BBC had a stronger influence on the format for this once famous cup competition. Remember the days when you got out of bed on a Saturday and when Tiswas or SwapShop finished it would be FA cup all day until it finished at about 6 or 7, mind you, they also had final replays in them days which completely took the gloss of it for me. The format on the Beeb was 'The Road to the Final' to start with, then interviews with the players, it used to be captivating, then came kick off time at THREE O'CLOCK with both sets of players walking the long walk from the tunnel with the Queens band usually walking right in the way of the march out Also, on a Sunday, or Saturday night they used to have 'How the Cup was won' who remembers that? Now!!!!! It's 5:30 kick off, unless some nondescript 'popstar' is allowed to ruin it or make it late, fans struggle to get home as there's usually no trains set up for that time and the atmosphere is extremely diluted by fans and the media build up that have undermined our great British cup final Think we should offer a Champions League position to the winners in future, that'll surely rekindle the interest
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Post by Trotter on May 22, 2016 15:41:36 GMT
Totally agree with all that has been said Clattenburg is not good enough to be refereeing at this level and what a joke he is going to referee at the Euro's, this years Final is the worst FA Cup Final I have witnessed along with the American stage type singing by T.T then the half asleep National Anthem and then of all teams the team I hate most Man Utd win the cup after extra time, LVG and his note pad will be replaced by Jose after the open top tour bus is parked up tomorrow and that cannot come soon enough and how dare tv pundits and the media criticise Big Sam and his style of football when the most boring team performances LVG created spending £250m at that is the most boring and long winded football I have ever seen.
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Post by andyl on May 22, 2016 20:05:51 GMT
No one will be surprised that I disagree 100%. Here we have an English referee who has been deemed good enough by all the Premier League teams , by the referees' assessorsand all involved at the FA to have been given his turn at our showpiece cup final. More than that UEFA have honoured him with both a Champions League semi final and the final itself. As a referee he has achieved more than most other English referees and than all players! That should give critics, at least any with a degree of fair mindedness to take pause and think that all those involved in these opinions are not going to be wrong across the board
The question commentators might have addressed is why did Clattenburg who is renowned for playing advantage to a fault chose not once , not twice but three times in that first half to blow up and issue cautions? Commentators argued mistakes. It will not have been that. He is way too good. Games of this magnitude see referees given a tight remit in the pre meetings. He is not free to determine his own boundaries as for example when refereeing Bolton v Eastleigh-a couple of excellent advantages played in that. My best guess is that in the referees pre meetings the Chelsea v Spurs game will have been discussed- in that Clattenburg was his usual domestic self letting early challenges go and playing advantages. And of course players took advantage, melees occurred. Eye gouging was seen and retrospectively punished. Basically the game was unmanageable. So he has gone into the cup final and at UEFA level before that instructed and probably agreeing not to attempt to manage if fouls are committed and to do it from the off.
I have been involved in referees meetings and team briefings where the instructions have been along the lines of ' Now we all like to play advantages and games to flow, but that's in your hands. Today we are going to clamp down on all yellow card offences-there will be no latitude first minute or last. '. Yesterday priority was given to eradicating holding or obstructing offences and playing advantage was given lesser priority. I noted that the CP players didn't really argue. Clattenburg was once glimpsed as the commentators argued apologising but my guess is it was sorry but I did tell everyone what the priorities were on this public occasion.
In passing I seriously doubt that Wickham would have run clear as he did and scored unopposed given that De Gea and all others had heard the whistle and stopped.
Commentators'attention and here above has focused on two of the three non advantages but in that game, one with a lot of quick breaks, plenty of set pieces and aerial challenges there were lots of line calls, corner goal kick calls and free kick calls and I didn't see a single error in playback. Imagine how hard that is to achieve. Also all the bookings fell within the tighter remit of this big occasion and none were challenged or argued. Fellaini's elbow, Smalling's rugby tackle,, Mata's foot over the top and several more were spotted and acted upon. Ever so easy to miss all of these. And when for all the world in live time Ronney appeared to commit a second yellow offence playback showed that he hadn't. Another correct call.
Where Clattenburg is unrivalled is in fitness and speed. He is always close to major decisions and this helps him get them right. There was next to no penalty area holding in this game so much the scourge of the EPL this season and many times we saw Clattenburg flit in and out at speed speaking all the time and hardly delaying play. So many referees try stop play and give time consuming lectures and warnings. Remember Phil Dowd- 10 lectures a match!
Clattenburg's games flow remarkably. Even games like yesterday which could easily have been stop start delay. I note that also with Clattenburg very little play acting is tolerated. He just leaves players on the floor and presses on. He is seldom conned and wasn't yesterday.
He is criticised for familiarity with top coaches and players. It seems to me that he is pretty chatty all the time . That's his strength. Would we really prefer aloof, distanced and out of touch referees. Clattenberg is friendly throughout. He was during Bolton v Eastleigh and I'm not sure chatting with Gary Madine on first name terms quite constitutes cosying up to celebrities? Yes he chats reasonably even familarly with Rooney but he still booked him when he had to. There was no favouritism. If players seem to like and respect him maybe this should be taken at face value
Yes of course all referees make mistakes. Most make lots. This referee makes very few. He is fast , approachable and technically superb . I 've seen lots of excellent referees down the years but no one has been in the same level of fitness and accuracy. He may not be the most commanding figure but his despatch of Smalling was a far cry from Peter Willis's despatch of Moran all those years ago. Chalk and cheese referees.
Yesterday he was excellent for 95% plus of decisions and I think the contentious ones were driven by his remit on the day. But whatever we think of this or that game he is an English referee deemed worthy to take the Champions League final. That is a cause for celebration. If only English teams and indeed the England team were as good and could match his achievements!!!
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Post by joanna on May 22, 2016 20:38:21 GMT
I tell you what, Andy:- if I'm ever in court on trial and all the evidence is against me, I sincerely hope you are on the jury to argue my case, even if I admit and say sorry for what I have done, as Clattenburg had to do.
No, you've embarrassed yourself here. You can't even spell his name right! You are simply surmising what MIGHT have been said in pre-match briefings so that you can find excuses for your unlikely hero. Use your eyes, not your imagination!
He was abysmal in the Spurs/Chelsea game too, missing violent fouls and acts of physical assault. How did he miss the eye-gouging?
You seem to be suggesting that everyone is wrong except you! Today's newspapers agree with TV analysis and all fans.....apart from you!
Keeping up with play makes his glaring errors on key decisions all the worse!
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Post by andyl on May 23, 2016 6:28:14 GMT
Re the above I did not say I agreed re the non advantages but offered a possible explanation. Do I agree with the headlines of Sun,Mirror, Mail, Metro etc? Don't know. Never read them but I hope so. Re his name I corrected all but one instance of my IPad's predictive text before you posted. It probably fed on an earlier mistake of mine. Is your argument vindicated by my misspelling?
In terms of opinions. You will say he refereed Spurs v Chelsea badly., I say well- we cannot advance on that.
You over generalise. I am not saying that everyone is wrong but for me. You are saying that you are right and inducing the views of everyone to support you just because you say so!
Now you may be right that a mistake was made re 1,2 or 3 of Saturday's decisions. There were around 100 0thers that were correct via TV scrutiny and a near error free second period. The correct decisions included Pardew's claim for a penalty against Rooney- if pundits are to be the yardstick of accuracy.
But the debate really ends here. You and others may not like Clattenburg, Joanna but he is incontrovertibly an excellent referee whom the UEFA referees committee have appointed to the Champions' League final after taking a semi. It's an honour. Others in recent times have taken second tier European finals. Atkinson is the other UEFA final referee and not that long ago Poll took the second tier final England has had for World Cup Final referees two in the 1950s, Jack Taylor and recently Howard Webb ( not everyone approved of his match which was Spurs v Chelsea and then some- but most did) . We have Oliver taking FIFA under 17 final and Taylor as a support official at the Champions league final - his second appearance. These past and present referees are all really good and excelled in the ambience of their eras and where relevant now.
It is plainly wrong to argue that Clattenburg is other than a top referee expert in his craft and rated by his peers. Posters here and elsewhere may not like him. I'm not sure I would were we to meet but that is quite different a) from a legitimate debate about specific decisions and b) from the fact that he is technically a very gifted referee and arguably the best in Europe fbeyond Spain.
For my part I have praised his performances for the better part of a decade since I first saw on TV the Luton v Liverpool cup replay and how thrilling it was. Pretty much all his games are free flowing. Of course I hated it when he ruled out Davies's last minute header v Fulham and I wasn't convinced by a Liverpool penalty v Everton nor a Rooney non dismissal. But far from embarrassed or embarrassing myself that early admiration of skills I had seldom seen has been more than vindicated by his progression and current status within Europe.
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Post by OohMac on May 23, 2016 15:47:51 GMT
I imagine that Clattenburg is the type of person who talks about himself in the third person. "Clattenburg doesn't stand for that" "No way, Jose. Not on Clattenburgs watch!"
I think if you go unnoticed in a match as a ref you're doing ok but going unnoticed for him is a big no, no. I'm amazed he hasn't tried to score one of the soft penalties he's given in the past before now.
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Post by andyl on Jul 10, 2016 7:17:35 GMT
Now Euro 2016 final referee! A great honour.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2016 8:11:01 GMT
Now Euro 2016 final referee! A great honour. that's one I wont be watching ,wonder how much he payed them ? having said that the standard of reffing has been very poor .
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Post by OohMac on Jul 10, 2016 12:36:50 GMT
Just shows how different people view the game. I've not seen every game granted but think the standard of refereeing has been top notch. They have let the games flow, kept cards at a low, very few reds and very few penalties, bar Scwienstiegers i think they got most big decisions right and as I said they have let the game flow. Too bad the tactics of a lot of clubs have meant the games aren't free flowing.
Clattenberg vs Ronaldo tonight. Ego contests. All eyes on These games are what he lives for everyone looking at him. I sense a typical Clat trap moment tonight
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Post by andyl on Jul 11, 2016 7:47:38 GMT
I agree Ooom. Refereeing standards have been excellent. Much down to Collina's oversight. Clattenburg has been excellent in all his games.quick unobtrusive decision making .Dull though it was the final flowed and much was down to his pace of thought and movement. Watched and rewatched Koscielny and Matoudi were unluckily carded but 98%excellent. As I've said before Clattenburg is in my opinion the best referee around currently. And if on here I hold a minority view on that I think that my view must be shared by the FA and UEFA
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