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Post by andyl on Feb 5, 2016 14:24:17 GMT
We have to win this one! Can Neil build on Tuesday's fightback or will he strangle it by selection and failure tom address our vunerability to counter attacks. I guess he'll stick with his two wingers and limited defence so we should get an interesting game 3-2? 2-3?
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Post by OohMac on Feb 5, 2016 15:21:23 GMT
All four bottom teams facing each other this Saturday. A win for us is absolutely vital. Our target team has to be Rotherham and the MK Dons. Think Fulham and Blackburn will pick up enough points to survive.
I'm not sure how this will go though, they have outplayed us on several occassions recently but that seems to happen at their place.
I can't in all honesty look at a teamsheet with Dervite and think we won't concede at least 2. Likewise I don't think Madine alone up front will being us 3 goals. I think we may get beaten 1-2 or 1-3. If there was ever a game where we need to stand up and be counted its this one.
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Post by whitesince63 on Feb 6, 2016 8:50:15 GMT
It' so soul destroying to see what's happening with Walford even talking up Dervite who must be arguably one of the least proficient defenders we've ever had. It's hard to know what they're looking at but it's surely not what we are. Like you Andy, playing two wingers every week with such a weak midfield and defence is just naive to me for experienced management. It's ok Walford telling us Lennon's learning here but the worry is that he isn't, or at least not in terms of what's needed in this league let's just hope he starts today but I won't hold my breath.
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Post by andyl on Feb 6, 2016 9:05:13 GMT
It's the slowness if the midfield that causes the problem in my opinion. If we had box to box McAteer types or Stu H we might get away with it but as we haven't we can't. Better to have an extra deeper lying midfielder and omit a winger or maybe Madine and push Silva central
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Post by andyl on Feb 6, 2016 9:13:13 GMT
The only way we can afford two wingers and an attack minded midfield may be three at the back. Obviously Dervite couldn't cope with that but then he doesn't cope with anything consistently but Holding is quick enough and Rotherham aren't Middlesbro.
It's all academic though as we know what team and non - adjustable format he'll favour. May get away with it today?May! But likely to be well beaten at Brighton without a more reasoned approach
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Post by OohMac on Feb 6, 2016 9:13:45 GMT
It's the slowness if the midfield that causes the problem in my opinion. If we had box to box McAteer types or Stu H we might get away with it but as we haven't we can't. Better to have an extra deeper lying midfielder and omit a winger or maybe Madine and push Silva central I do agree with you in principal Andy it's just that was exactly Dougie Freedmans way of playing. Knew the defence was questionable so protected it not only with Spearing but Medo too. It was dire, we were pegged in and we would eventually be picked apart. I get that Dougie had a plan and a mistrust of our defenders. At the time I thought Dougie underestimated our fire power or was overly negative. Still believe that to be true, if only the back 4 could do their jobs then we could play with more freedom but two and three defensive midfielders is not for me. Even if we claw some results. |
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Post by andyl on Feb 6, 2016 9:15:17 GMT
Needs must,Ooom! I agree re shape overall but we need better players and lower paid ones!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2016 14:13:49 GMT
just seen the teams and heart sank ,the soft Dervite in the back four and the fat Heskey up front therefore I go 0-2 .
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Post by andyl on Feb 6, 2016 14:15:45 GMT
So he omits Trotter and plays Heskey on his own upfront. Endless capricious tinkering. If we win credit to him but our passing capacity is much less. If the tinkering had paid off previously I'd be more confident. Two wingers and Heskey!!!!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 6, 2016 15:18:04 GMT
Can the best come back since Lazarus happen?
COYWM
1-0
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 6, 2016 15:46:04 GMT
Can the best come back since Lazarus happen? COYWM 1-0 NO!!!!! 1-1 Cack... |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Feb 6, 2016 16:57:36 GMT
Great time to get a great result
COME ON YOU WHITES lets go beat Brighton!!
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Post by greydad on Feb 6, 2016 18:09:09 GMT
Not a great performance for much of the game, but an excellent, game changing performance from Trotter...his pass through to Davies which led to Woolery's assured finish was but one of a number of key contributions at both ends of the pitch. He must start next week, indeed N.L suggested that with hindsight he ought to have started today. The Wanderers will win far more games with the midfield that played the final 15-20 minutes today, if only to protect our limited resources in defence, particularly away from home. 7 points from 9 will hopefully provide a boost to the team's confidence which might see them mount a concerted effort to haul themselves to league safety, regardless of the off-field problems.
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Post by davidm on Feb 6, 2016 18:48:44 GMT
Very very lucky.
We scored in the first and last minute and were outplayed for the other 88 minutes.
We drew 2-2 away on Tuesday so we drop 2 of the players. I don’t understand. The most consistent player over the past 3 or 4 games was Trotter so he is dropped.
We play Heskey up front which dictated our play in that we just lumped it up to him in the hope that he might hold the ball up. Total failure.
I cannot understand how a team can pass the ball so badly although a lot of it comes from the fact that no-one moves into space to receive a pass so it is just aimless punting.
The quality after the first 5 minutes was dreadful apart from one disallowed Silva “goal” which I don’t know what it was disallowed for as he looked well onside when Heskey shot. EDIT:- just seen the highlights. Silva was offside!
It took Trotter to come on and win possession and pass properly and then Woolery to inject some pace into the game.
At the start, I would have accepted a scrappy win and this was a scrappy lucky win so I am happy.
Marks :-
Amos - 7 One good save in the first half with a one on one and another in second when the Rotherham man was inexplicably left alone 6 yards out.
Vela - 5 Did some decent attacking play in the second half but, as with the rest of the defence, all over the place defensively.
Moxey - 5 Some awful passing throughout. He has gone backward since his purple patch earlier in the season (or since Casado left?).
Holding - 5 Out of position a few times and some wayward clearances.
Dervite - 5 Like Holding, dragged out of position too often. His headed clearances were atrocious – practically all to the opposition.
Feeney - 3 Practically nothing. First decent centre came deep into the second half and his corner were pitiful – all high gentle lobs in. Then to put him up front when Heskey went off instead of bringing Woolery on was stupid.
Silva - 4 Promised a bit but nothing came off.
Spearing - 6 Great shot for first goal. Very busy but passing was way off at times.
Davies - 4 Should have scored in last minute in one on one with keeper – Woolery got him off the hook with the rebound. Just does not dominate a game at all.
Pratley - 2 So manager drops Trotter because Pratley is the captain!! What sort of management is that? He was terrible. Hardly did anything right.
Heskey - 4 Won a few headers from punts up field but just not effective.
Trotter - 8 MOM. Changed the game when he came on with some decent tackling and some good passing. Great pass to Davies for winner. I am not a particular Trotter fan and have criticised him endlessly but since his return from Forest he has been the stand out player for us.
Woolery - 6 On the spot, as a good striker should be, to score the winner and scared the life out of Rotherham’s defence with his pace.
Manager - 2 Terrible team selection. Terrible tactics. Very lucky today. If we continue with these tactics, we will go down.
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Post by andyl on Feb 6, 2016 18:50:11 GMT
In the end a vital victory. When scoring I'm again going to make Trotter Man of the Match .And for 20mins play. This time I am hopeful that those who criticise him habitually will be more positive because he transformed us from a clumsy collection of midfield misfits to a fluent,confident passing unit. He controlled everything ,slipped Davies through for the decisive shot and this led to Woolery's impressive,measured winner.
Inexplicably Neil had opted to return Pratley in place of Trotter and to ask Emile to play upfront on his own.What planet is Neil on? And this after a fluent midfield performance at Wolves. We really struggled despite getting off to the best possible start with a cracker of an edge of box goal from Spearing. It was the sort of goal we've let in several times but we scored it.
That was as good as it got in that first half. Rotherham got on top and passed the ball round at will. They had corners. And only Amos prevented a goal when Holding covering for Dervite was outpaced. Moxey was having a nightmare half and played the worst imaginable one two with Siva to set them up with their first big chance which was poked wide.. But it wasn't long before he ball watched,slipped and lost Burke for an equaliser. How often does Burke score at the Macron?! In truth they had sliced past Dervite and Holding pretty easily too
Silva tried his best to get up the pitch,Davies and Pratley were invisible Emile was marooned, Feeney was unnecessary.
It went from bad to worse in the second half and they missed an absolute sitter to add to two earlier. Again some credit to Amos.
Fully 65 minutes were passed by the time Emile was rescued. Feeney went to centre forward and offered at least pace and effort . I have argued for ages that if we string five across midfield, drop a winger and have a fast forward we'll be at our best and I think the case was made when Woolery came on. Suddenly with Trotter pulling the strings we got control. Trotter released Davies to go forward, Feeney and Vela had more chances to progress and the defence was no longer threatened by counter attacks. If Neil learns from this and we don't go into administration we could yet survive. Alas the selection today suggests he won', can't more likely. Today Dervite was abysmal with his head in all parts of the field and just kept kicking the ball hastily and aimlessly. He must be stood down. But Silva and Feeney most definitely have a part to play. Just not at the same time.Emile must be used as at Wolves,last 15 and when going aerial. Routinely with Trotter we don't need to go aerially and one plus point of today was that we tried not to. Before he came on I couldn't tell what we were trying to do
I think a Woolery,Clough partnership could excite.
Amos7. Vela 5 Dervite 2 Holding 6 Moxey 2 Feeney 4 Spearing 7. Davies 5 Pratley 3 Heskey 4 Silva 6 Trotter 8 Woolery 7
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