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Post by andyl on Dec 28, 2015 15:49:27 GMT
Well now we know.Posting match threads ahead of time is a jinx!
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Post by riochforthereebok on Dec 28, 2015 15:55:29 GMT
Could have been 3-3 on penalties alone.
Great win.
Love to believe that we have enough to stay up and there's surely ebough to go at, I just think we have it in us
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Post by andyl on Dec 28, 2015 16:10:36 GMT
As owdonlad created a thread to proclaim we have a win.
I thought that it was a battling win based on some outstanding defensive performances. In some ways it was similar to previous games. We created and missed a sitter early on ,lost the initiative, were fighting well but woefully short of skill and offering up some pretty clumsy play. In that first half Madine and Pratley were really poor and there were two or three players who just didn't look interested. Feeney's did but as ever little game of his contributions.
But it was also a game where in patches we kept the ball a little better and with Clough getting fitter by the game there was enough going on to offer hope.
Our sitter had in fact come about because Davies for once was persuaded to move forward and Clough did well to hit the post. The rebound sat up perfectly for Madine but he fluffed it. Other than that not much really happened for either side but Bolton were doing well with Rhodes,Marshal and co.
In the second half both teams enjoyed phases of attacking play and there were a number of corners but there were very few chances created and a lot of excellent blocks. Prince restored to add pace alongside Wheater made amends for the previous week and underlined Neil's folly at Rotherham and other previous games. If Prince is 21/2 he will make mistakes but overall he should be well ahead of Dervite
in the end the goal came just as Neil was about to throw on Silva a move designed to lose the game if not made like for like for Feeney . We saw the ball reach Madine from I think a throw in ( good long throws today from Feeney and Holding).He pivoted and found the ball fall perfectly for him to score. If the pivoting occurred at about the pace of the old London Palladium revolving stage nevertheless it was the clinching piece of skill-yes really. Madine had a dreadful game and could well have been subbed but in the end hung on to make the decisive breakthrough. Spurred on he even made some good clearances late on
For once we enjoyed a huge slice of luck when on 90 minutes a ball spun onto our post and out but it would have been so disappointing because this time we had hung on to a deserved win. Credit to Neil sufficient to save his job.? Not sure. I think he was a bit lucky and as ever beaten to the punch by his counterpart in terms of substitutions. But he won and wasn't it great to see Rhodes slinking off the field for once rather than doing us late on?
I think that Feeney probably selects Neil's teams for him but even so this was probably about as right as that at Rotherham was wrong? So we can perhaps credit the selection. Vela and Davies were lightweight at times and both in and out of the game but the match up was pretty good and out of possession we were more disciplined
i have said earlier in the season that a team with Dervite,Danns and Feeney starting regularly will see us relegated. Here we had 2 of three missing and were the better for it. If only we could lose all three . Not Feeney's worst game until losing the ball for a daft breakaway after 93 mins. At times he moved us up the field well enough but again only one cross was half way decent. But in my opinion we cannot improve if he starts every game and is never subbed. And we need Silva or Walker as much but not simultaneously.
Amos 5 Holding 7 Prince 8 Wheater 9 Moxey 6. Feeney 5 Vela 5 Davies 5 Pratley 4 Madine 5 Clough 6
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Post by davidm on Dec 28, 2015 17:35:12 GMT
As owdonlad created a thread to proclaim we have a win. I thought that it was a battling win based on some outstanding defensive performances. In some ways it was similar to previous games. We created and missed a sitter early on ,lost the initiative, were fighting well but woefully short of skill and offering up some pretty clumsy play. In that first half Madine and Pratley were really poor and there were two or three players who just didn't look interested. Feeney's did but as ever little game of his contributions. But it was also a game where in patches we kept the ball a little better and with Clough getting fitter by the game there was enough going on to offer hope. Our sitter had in fact come about because Davies for once was persuaded to move forward and Clough did well to hit the post. The rebound sat up perfectly for Madine but he fluffed it. Other than that not much really happened for either side but Bolton were doing well with Rhodes,Marshal and co. In the second half both teams enjoyed phases of attacking play and there were a number of corners but there were very few chances created and a lot of excellent blocks. Prince restored to add pace alongside Wheater made amends for the previous week and underlined Neil's folly at Rotherham and other previous games. If Prince is 21/2 he will make mistakes but overall he should be well ahead of Dervite in the end the goal came just as Neil was about to throw on Silva a move designed to lose the game if not made like for like for Feeney . We saw the ball reach Madine from I think a throw in ( good long throws today from Feeney and Holding).He pivoted and found the ball fall perfectly for him to score. If the pivoting occurred at about the pace of the old London Palladium revolving stage nevertheless it was the clinching piece of skill-yes really. Madine had a dreadful game and could well have been subbed but in the end hung on to make the decisive breakthrough. Spurred on he even made some good clearances late on For once we enjoyed a huge slice of luck when on 90 minutes a ball spun onto our post and out but it would have been so disappointing because this time we had hung on to a deserved win. Credit to Neil sufficient to save his job.? Not sure. I think he was a bit lucky and as ever beaten to the punch by his counterpart in terms of substitutions. But he won and wasn't it great to see Rhodes slinking off the field for once rather than doing us late on? I think that Feeney probably selects Neil's teams for him but even so this was probably about as right as that at Rotherham was wrong? So we can perhaps credit the selection. Vela and Davies were lightweight at times and both in and out of the game but the match up was pretty good and out of possession we were more disciplined i have said earlier in the season that a team with Dervite,Danns and Feeney starting regularly will see us relegated. Here we had 2 of three missing and were the better for it. If only we could lose all three . Not Feeney's worst game until losing the ball for a daft breakaway after 93 mins. At times he moved us up the field well enough but again only one cross was half way decent. But in my opinion we cannot improve if he starts every game and is never subbed. And we need Silva or Walker as much but not simultaneously. Amos 5 Holding 7 Prince 8 Wheater 9 Moxey 6. Feeney 5 Vela 5 Davies 5 Pratley 4 Madine 5 Clough 6 I thought it was a better performance than you’re implying Andy. Yes, there were mistakes and some poor passing/ball control but there was also a determination in the play. We hung on desperately with some desperate defending but, credit where it is due, we tried and kept going. Please keep these Premiership referees away from us. Jon Moss was ridiculous. Marks:- Amos - 6 Not a great deal to do but steady enough. Holding - 6 Pretty good. Blackburn attacked him in the first half but he stood up well. Moxey - 7 I thought he did really well. He manages to attack quite well. Prince - 6 Some scary moments when his brain must give up but then some strong defending. He and Wheater must be our centre backs from now on. Wheater - 8 Excellent. Blackburn fired a lot of high balls in, in particular in the late onslaught and he headed away well. Vela - 6 Good to see him back. Played pretty steady. He manages to combine both attack and defence in his game. Pratley - 6 Better than previous games. Feeney - 5 He usually manages one good ball per game. I failed to count any decent crosses today. Davies - 6 Look good going forward. Should not have been booked. Clough - 6 We are much better with him in the side. Good movement. Madine - 6 Excellent turn for the goal but a shocking miss early on. |
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Post by andyl on Dec 28, 2015 17:51:25 GMT
Some disagreement from me,David but re players minor. I agree re battling. Imagine though if Madine hadn't scored and that last minute luck had not gone with us. Players in midfield were too lightweight but we did pass better in the absence of Spearing and Danns.
Feeney was pretty average but he hit one excellent cross in the second half. Madine mistimed his jump and looped the ball over.
I thought the referee was way better than we have seen recently. Mark Davies dived and knew it. He was also right when Pratley stumbled over and scooped the ball by hand before trying to cry foul. Bookings were all fair (on my MD logic - no argument presumably re Vela Moxey Hanley) no penalties that I saw and lots of play ons. Game kept momentum. We won. My only quibble is re 5 mins add on time -why! In Euro or World cup games it's never more than three other than for serious injury. With us it's always five. Perhaps he adds time on for passes to Feeney on the logic they just waste time.
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Post by OohMac on Dec 28, 2015 18:13:18 GMT
Well goals change games I suppose. Had Gary Madine not scored we would probably be talking about two bad sides, creating very little. We'd probably be talking about the final nail in Lennons coffin, as it is its a derby win, doubles our wins for the season and are looking at using this to kick start our season.
I don't want to be over negative today(i really don't want to be like that any day) but i've accused the players of letting Lennon down before but i thought Lennon did a lot to make me worry. Generally looked a bit fed up, sat slumped in his chair most of the match, didn't make a single sub (fair enough we won but we were inches away from not doing) and his post match interview seemed like a guy who'd won on a scratch card rather than purposely picked a team and set them up in a way he knew he would win.
Not much confidence around the club at the moment, this should help but we need more leaders on and off the pitch.
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Post by bonaparte on Dec 28, 2015 19:42:40 GMT
Agree generally with DavidM, needed a bit of luck (though they say you make your own) and got it.
Much needed 3 points, can they repeat it against Huddersfield, only time will tell.
But for once I had a smile on my face leaving the stadium,
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2015 20:29:40 GMT
Well goals change games I suppose. Had Gary Madine not scored we would probably be talking about two bad sides, creating very little. We'd probably be talking about the final nail in Lennons coffin, as it is its a derby win, doubles our wins for the season and are looking at using this to kick start our season. I don't want to be over negative today(i really don't want to be like that any day) but i've accused the players of letting Lennon down before but i thought Lennon did a lot to make me worry. Generally looked a bit fed up, sat slumped in his chair most of the match, didn't make a single sub (fair enough we won but we were inches away from not doing) and his post match interview seemed like a guy who'd won on a scratch card rather than purposely picked a team and set them up in a way he knew he would win. Not much confidence around the club at the moment, this should help but we need more leaders on and off the pitch. I think your right re leaders ,I was with my cousins from dingle land and one of them expressed the opinion that Prately was trying to do everybody else's job and not just his own , what I think is NL needs to take him to one side and say something like " look son being captain is effecting your form so I'am taking it of you for the time being" then give the job to Dave Weater who is a natural leader and our most consistant player ,just an idea . |
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Post by greydad on Dec 28, 2015 20:34:11 GMT
I honestly thought after Saturday it might be impossible for the team to be inspired to give any sort of performance , whatever NL's team selection...how refreshing to be proved wrong. The defence was excellent, however much luck they enjoyed or pressure they were put under...today's back four must surely be retained, and good to see like for like cover for both full back positions available on the bench. The overall balance of the team was better, and whilst some familiar failings remained in evidence there were also a number of positives that were pleasantly surprising. Madine's transformation from apparent no-hoper to goal taker and then auxiliary defender was both heartening and timely, Holding is developing into a composed and capable defender, Prince and Wheater complemented each other superbly and Moxey was strong and committed. The midfield generally competed well, and supplied flashes of genuine cohesion... would that a combination could be found wherein all 4 /5 midfielders could contribute more effectively as a unit. Clough is undoubtedly lightweight at times, but his ability to run with the ball, his ability to make incisive runs off the ball and his eye for goal are invaluable to the team, and he will get stronger. A benchmark has been set below which the team cannot afford to drop, and in truth must become a platform for further improvement if a serious effort is to be maintained in achieving what would be a remarkable escape. Results elsewhere were favourable, and however unlikely survival remains today proved that it is not yet time to throw in the towel...my optimism is peeping nervously from behind the sofa, hope it doesn't have to recoil in horror on Saturday at 4.50 p.m. Well done today Whites! |
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Post by andyl on Dec 29, 2015 10:04:14 GMT
Travelling home after a victory!!! Feels like one of life's first time experiences!. Enough to save Neil?Not in normal times,no! Enough to spare him. Yes excuse sufficient for inaction!
Strange how we and others see things differently.
I thought Prince did well complemented Wheater with pace and won all tackles. Others thought him clumsy and error prone.
Some saw Davies fouled heinous. I thought he dived.
I thought both Pratley and Henley were victims of ball to hand; others were convinced of denied penalties. I rated the referee. Many didn't. Some praised Vela. I kept seeing him out muscled but having an OK game
I wonder what Neil saw?
Pretty much everyone has Wheater MoM
I thought not for the first time that when we played defensively yesterday we were excellent and our currently shaky keeper was superbly protected.
It makes it all the more amazing that our away record is so grim. I really would like to see us scramble points with this sort of gritty defensive battling - more in midfield ,less over commitment and vulnerability to counter attacks. I
In sum we are weak relatively moving forward and defend poorly once moving forward but we are better defensively organised with sporadic set piece and breakaway opportunities
To be downright contentious and argumentative,pushing the boundaries,thinking outside the box, contemplating the unthinkable--I think I might just leave Feeney out at Forest and Derby away
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Post by Pedro on Dec 29, 2015 11:35:01 GMT
Wow! Enjoy this!  Looking at this win in the light of such a poor performance in the second half at Rotherham, the position the Club are in, the Manager's private problems and the fact that Blackburn had Saturday off, I think it was a magnificent comeback and the first 90+ minute performance full of hard work and real effort. Just look at the desperation of our defense to get three on to Jordan Rhodes only? shot on goal. Fantastic to see so many fans staying right to the end and after the whistle to cheer the players. COYWM keep playing like this and really being the team to WANT the win and we WILL survive the drop. www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/competitions/championship/10112500/bolton-1-0-blackburnFrom BBC: Possession 51% 49% Shots 12 15 On target 3 1 Corners 2 7 Fouls 14 16 |
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Post by Pedro on Dec 29, 2015 11:58:14 GMT
Definite dive by MD, two balls to hand and Moxey having his heel clipped? very difficult decisions for the ref esp the arm that deflected our shot wide of the post. He missed the arm pull on Vela though which could easily have resulted in a goal but for great defending.
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Looking at this win in the light of such a poor performance in the second half at Rotherham, the position the Club are in, the Manager's private problems and the fact that Blackburn had Saturday off, I think it was a magnificent comeback and the first 90+ minute performance full of hard work and real effort. Just look at the desperation of our defense to get three on to Jordan Rhodes only? shot on goal. Fantastic to see so many fans staying right to the end and after the whistle to cheer the players. COYWM keep playing like this and really being the team to WANT the win and we WILL survive the drop.