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Post by andyl on Nov 7, 2015 12:45:39 GMT
am hopeful that this game will be more uplifting. Currently nervous of teamsheet deflating me as in recent weeks!
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2015 14:54:43 GMT
If we clap Feeney's name being announced, gasp and get to our feet every time he touches the ball and non stop chants of "Feeney! Feeney!" We may fool an opposition manager in taking him off our hands. Then again Lennon would probably stand firm and reject any bids for Liam.
Its taken him 15 games to put Vela back at right back. I'd say back to square one but we're far behind that at the moment.
All season i've been waiting for a fluke and for us to turn it on, we got that every now and then under Dougie 4-0 Blackburn followed by 5-1 Leeds, etc. Could be one of those days....hmm. Probably not. There doesn't seem like any pace in this team.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 7, 2015 15:37:19 GMT
Nil one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2015 15:58:28 GMT
OOOOOOOOh you licle liar , five blocks in my pub have just gone home to kick the dog |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 7, 2015 16:43:26 GMT
OOOOOOOOh you licle liar , five blocks in my pub have just gone home to kick the dog Soz Owdon That wasn't me reporting a goal, that was my end of game prediction |
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Post by riochforthereebok on Nov 7, 2015 16:54:16 GMT
If there's any jobs going at the ReeMac put me down for cleaning Max Claytons boots!!!!! What was the fkn point of that substitution?  |
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2015 17:22:17 GMT
Madine took a knock apparently. The BBC reported that Clayton came on for Casado on 66mins which I thought was off. He didn't.
We should fine players and managers for spouting absolute rubbish in interviews. Raise some money to pay off some debt. Everytime Lennon says "we were unlucky and we can take the positives" should be automatically £10k fine. For me this game firmly sums up why out away form is so bad and our home form was/is slightly better because Bristol City have made the 300 mile round trip and think "thats a decent point that, keeps us 4 points ahead of them going into the international break" Had that been at Ashton Gate they would be going all out attack and they would have scored many times.
I do think a new manager would come in and change the fluency of the team, keep it simpler and get more out of the players. I'm not saying we will sack Lennon, we won't. (I don't even know if anyone goes into the Bolton offices anymore any way) or that Lennon should walk. International break coming up as I say and Lennon needs to come in Monday as if he is the new man. Start all over again, completely. Every place up for grabs again but god God sake Lennon work on getting the bloody ball in the net!
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Post by andyl on Nov 7, 2015 18:02:34 GMT
I wrote a report and lost the lot. I haven't the heart to revisit this experience twice. In a nutshell. Abominable first half . Poor tactics. Overrun in midfield with marooned forwards. Feeney appalling in first half but not alone. Mix ups at the back. No pressing. Second half better. Sitters missed. Penalty missed. Goal disallowed. Impressive appearance by Twardzik. Some good Davies runs. Ameobi pretty good but for penalty.. Vela efficient. Feeney showed that he might have a future as a sub.
Amos 5 Vela 7 Wheater 7 Prince 4 Feeney 2 Pratley 2 Davies 6 Spearing 7 Ameobi 8 Casado 5 Dobbie 2 Madine 5 Twardzik 6
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Post by davidm on Nov 7, 2015 18:57:47 GMT
I thought that was terrible!
Absolute relegation performance.
It took us over 10 minutes into the game to have an attack and, as far as can I remember, our first shot on target was the penalty.
What a terrible display of rank bad passing through the whole team.
The second half was better but Bristol were more than happy with a point.
I know the manager has to support his players but how he can say that it was excellent is ridiculous.
Amos - 5 - I am getting worried about him - not from his saves but lack of any control over his back four and dreadful kicking.
Vela - 6 - steady. I wish he could occasionally get forward a bit.
Casado - 5 - substituted before he got sent off. A couple of really awful clearance attempts.
Wheater - 6 - pretty good and would have been a higher mark but for 2 terrible attempts to run the ball out for a goal kick. Both cock ups could have cost us.
Prince - 5 - some tremendous tackles but horrendous passing. Why does he not head the ball clear? He let's it bounce and gets us in trouble. Ridiculous clearance in 1st half which rebounded onto bar.
Spearing - 6 - some good hard tackles
Davies - 5 - too deep, too deep, too deep! The only time he got forward, in 2nd half, he ran straight through the opposition and created a good chance.
Feeney - 4 - wasted pass after wasted pass. Took so long over his one chance, giving the goalie a chance. One, maybe two, decent centres in 2nd half.
Pratley - 4 - total waste of a performance. Spent too much time knocking opponents over. He has regressed to start of last season form.
Doddie - 4 - just nothing
Ameobi - 5 - some good positive things but dreadful penalty and should not have been offside for his "goal"
Madine - 4 - awful headers from good chances
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Post by OohMac on Nov 7, 2015 19:41:21 GMT
Am I being too harsh on the new assistant or would you think if you left a good post and came to a club who hadn't won and hardly scored since your arrival, would you not take that personally. Walford should be saying to Lennon, that is not excellent and if you think it is i'm off back to Ireland.
He seems to have Lennie Larwence's aura about him too. I know he can't do it himself but he's here to help and first thing he can do is to tell Lennon not to come out with that tripe anymore.
I watched the Class of 92 documentary and those two non-league managers talked more sense than Lennon has in recent weeks. One quote particularly when they chewed out their best player and said "that's not how we train. Those fans will wonder what the F**k we do Monday to Friday?" That's what I want to hear from Neil. We trained better than this, they didn't do their jobs. They won't be getting picked next week.
Come on Feeney, lets have a week off. Why is it everyone else in the squad picks up these muscle injuries but he can and will play 90 minutes twice a week.
Its so poor, wonder now if we had a home tie in the FA Cup against a club in the same league say, how many fans would turn up? If people didn't have season tickets you'd be mad to hand over good money for this.
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Post by greydad on Nov 7, 2015 19:57:36 GMT
Can't argue with much of what has been said, but in striving to glean positives it was at least heartening to observe the overall reaction to the penalty miss..chances were created, albeit to no avail, and a good deal more spirit and adventure was shown and lots of effort displayed. Twardzik showed that he might well fulfill a role in midfield on the left and offer Casado the protection and support that might prevent his resorting to the reckless challenges and poor distribution ( left with few options all too often ) witnessed today. Vela, Spearing , Mark Davies (especially second half) and Wheater ( notwithstanding a couple of errors of judgement) need to have their efforts and levels of performance at least matched by more of those around them. Amos dealt with things quite comfortably, but needs to improve distribution (and communication with Prince), and other than the penalty miss Ameobi showed some genuine class, but it will not be feasible to win games with only half the team giving performances worthy of a 6 or 7 out of 10 rating, and some struggling to perform at half those levels!
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Post by bonaparte on Nov 7, 2015 21:21:13 GMT
Too despondent to give critical assessment.
Why is Feeney first name on the team sheet?
Does Mr Lennon see the same game as we fans?
Why does he have so much support after 20 games without a win?
Bewildered.
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Post by spanishjonny on Nov 7, 2015 21:29:01 GMT
We had enough proper chances to have won this game, we might not have deserved the full 3 points but the points were more important than the performance
Ameobi's first penalty miss out of 11 taken typifies what's happening at the moment
Feeny made it too easy for the goalie with his best chance and he wastes a high percentage off crosses/shots but he did try
Vela tried
Wheater and Prince tried
Spearing tried
Pratley was struggling right from the kick off, grabbing players as they shot past him, late tackles, frustration getting the better of him, he's either carrying an injury/illness
or the good form he showed last season was a fluke
If Mark Davies is one of our more saleable assets then I would sell, he promises so much but fails to deliver 90%of the time, an experienced player like him should be leading by example in every game at this level, when was the last time he was MOM? A lost talent for me and with the money we're paying time to go
Madine had 2 very good chances to score with his head but fluffed both and let's face facts he's not going to keep us in this league, not his fault
An undeserved 3 points can turn it all round in this league but sadly again it wasn't today
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Post by andyl on Nov 8, 2015 11:19:42 GMT
It's very depressing. We saw enough good individual performances yesterday to give some encouragement. Wheater, Vela at right back, Spearing at the base of the diamond ;and Twardzik as replacement left back ( admittedly when we were pressing forward) and Ameobi to give some scope for optimism. Three of these have of course been sidelined for most earlier games.
However we have a Keegan-like manager, media friendly and with heart on sleeve, good qualities, but seemingly short on strategic thinking and tactical acumen?
Much of the game was same old,same old: an overrun midfield;balls given needlessly way not least by Amos; dreadful misses and our one paced midfield very vulnerable to counter attacks There was more chopping and changing of the team and no real suggestion of a cohesive plan. Bristol City were more transparent. They banked midfield and defence, kept the ball between defence and midfield and quite deliberately ran channels between Casado and Wheater . Wheater just about rebuffed them until one big error late on. They also were prepared to counter attack at pace.
So what was our strategy against them. Maybe Prince was preferred to Dervite to counter Kodjia's threat on the ground?Dobbie perhaps deserved a turn? And I think we had a diamond . The Spearing element stayed fixed. The rest looked pedestrian in the first half. Was Pratley on the right?Or left?I couldn't really tell. Maybe more right than left but so unfit as to be anonymous most of the time and all too clumsily visible for the rest.
I do believe we have enough ability to rise a few places in this League. But Neil is really struggling to organise his resources. Personally I'd rather have fewer upfront, pack the midfield both to protect defence but also allow counter attacking raids by us I don't think the forward players offer enough to justify allowing midfield to be overrun all the time.
But whatever opinions are about getting on the front foot like Keegan and Lennon or consolidating and trying to use thought out and detailed practised strategies and bespoke tactics,more like Big Sam I just wish we could settle into a consistent model of playing. There is no rotational plan obvious save maybe protecting Clayton but rather selections driven by injury, suspension and managerial whim and caprice?
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Post by OohMac on Nov 8, 2015 16:40:14 GMT
That's a massive disservice to Keegan, he played some great attacking football. Maybe the QPR match was like that but mostly Bolton Nil comes up on my auto-correct these days.
Suppose its unrealistic but in any other business you might say, somethings not working but you're all doing your best. No ones getting sacked but lets just re-schuffle. Neil you work with the kids and Ian Brunskill will have a go at the senior team and we'll review it in 3 months. The less pressure job could help Lennon with tactics and man management and fresh eyes would lift the players - no compensation, no garden leave and Neil Lennon may still have a future at the club.
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