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Post by OohMac on Oct 21, 2015 21:53:44 GMT
I never thought i'd be calling for Lennon's head, and i'm not, but i'm far from happy with things. Buts its very much a case of then and now.
Then: Neil first came his first game we beat Birmingham 1-0 Now: Birmingham beat us 1-0
Then: Neil brings Josh Vela out of solitude training and plays him. He becomes player of the season. Now: Josh Vela sent to the wilderness.
Then: Neil continues to play young players. Along with Vela; Walker, Clayton, Taylor and Clough all burst onto the scene. Now: Vela, Walker,Taylor dropped. Emile Heskey(37) leads the way.
Then: Lennon plays an attacking football scoring goals, playing great football highlighted in a Live Sky game against local(and releagtion) rivals Wigan. Now: Playing very dull and confused formation. Next week? A Live Sky game against local(and relegation) rivals Preston.
Then: Makes a series of signings full of promise Rochina, Gudjohnson, etc. Now: Not sure about Shola Ameobi. Still think Heskeys better.
Then: Neil Lennon builds a real connection from the fans. Now: Fans dub Lennon clueless and another Dougie Freedman.
But whatever you make of Lennon and his demise, lets face it, there are few people would take this job on. We won't sack Neil (plain can't afford it) but he might walk(think he will) and we're left with those "I'll do anything for a pay day" managers which is the last bloody thing we need.
Neil came here for a project, he has got his work cut out for him, he's made a lot of mistakes recently (he's only just learning) But he has to learn on the job but i'm still convinced he is the man for the job. He just needs to get his confidence back so he can enthuse his own players.
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Post by andyl on Oct 22, 2015 5:12:08 GMT
A good review. And the point re his confidence is surely spot on
Nothing much good is going on behind the scenes. Finances are dreadful apparently. It's hard
The spirit in every game is really good. I just think selection could be better and also in game tactical adjustments. Neil may well learn in a way his predecessors were too stubborn to make possible. I think we can be hopeful??!
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Post by realtrottersforever on Oct 22, 2015 9:44:10 GMT
I like Lennon I really do, but I think he is out of his depth and will be unable to learn quickly enough to make a difference this season.
We are DOOMED Mr Mainwaring, DOOMED.....and relegated to league 1 I am afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2015 10:07:43 GMT
I like Lennon I really do, but I think he is out of his depth and will be unable to learn quickly enough to make a difference this season. We are DOOMED Mr Mainwaring, DOOMED.....and relegated to league 1 I am afraid. I don't think so , first thing to do is get the defence right ,I have been in this very situation back in the 60's in Germany we lost our first 9 games then played 5 at the back 3 in midfield and 2 up front after 4 drawn games we got playing again and reverted to 4-4-2 and finished 6th just got to keep clean sheets . |
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Post by thekraken on Oct 22, 2015 10:33:39 GMT
This was our team and subs that won at Birmingham 12 months ago.
Lonergan, McNaughton, Mills, Dervite, Moxey, Feeney, Spearing, Danns, Pratley,Lee Chung-yong, Beckford Subs Ream, Mason, Hall, Clayton, Kenny, Vela, Davies
With the exception of Chungy, I don't think that the side that started on Tuesday is any worse than this one.
Birmingham had six players in the starting line up on Tuesday who started against us twelve months ago. Gary Rowett came in after this game and his side are now second. Birmingham don't have any money either.
So for me NL is now on borrowed time as he can't seem to select a good tem or get the one he selects to play. I don't think that Mjallby leaving has helped. As he stood side-by-side with Gary Rowett and looks at Brum's transformation he must be starting to doubt his own abilities as a manager. If so, the players will pick it up. If we are still in a relegation position going into the new year then we need a 'safe pair of hands' and not someone who is 'up and coming'.
The disastrous string of managers since BSA left has left me wondering whether we should have stuck with Gary Megson
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Post by Trotter on Oct 22, 2015 13:58:38 GMT
Don't panic!!!
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Post by spanishjonny on Oct 22, 2015 18:03:37 GMT
Lennon is a committed, driven, short tempered even hot headed manager, in the past he has admitted to a problem with depression, I worry that the frustration with the current situation may prove too much for him
He won't walk away but if he becomes too pre-occupied with the financial situation it can only lessen the effect he must have on lifting the team
Perhaps he already has let his frustrations out on some players which causes resentment and can then lead to people not pulling in the same direction
The current situation may get a lot worse before it gets better
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 22, 2015 19:47:31 GMT
What a bloody miserable bunch you are. Lighten up, Lenny isn't a quitter and whatever it takes we should back him to the hilt. Of course he's learning but isn't that what all successful people do? We only need to finish 4th bottom, clear out the high earners and dross Freedman loaded us with and let Neil build his own side. It can't be easy with the restraints he's under and the last thing he needs is us on his back. The earlier comparisons are bang on and Lenny has to repeat the feat all over again this season and I'm backing him to do that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2015 10:21:55 GMT
Not been on here for a while, but I have been following what people have been saying. I am very shocked to see that we are bottom of the table as I thought N.L. would make a better job of the team than he is doing. Yes we have some very poor players but he is the man who has the last say on who plays. My team would be Amos, Prince with Wheater, Pisano rb, Casado lb, midfield of Spearing Vela Davies Pratley forwards Clayton Madine get rid of Heskey I said all along he was a waste of a wage. There must be some kind of settled team just give this team a run out and see what happens. It is his job on the line and I thought he might have been a little bit more better than this.
We could go down at this rate with players that don't give a toss what happens to the club. On todays game I hope we get a win but I think the manager and players are all on a downer so it will be 1-2 sorry for that and it might be the end of N.L. but with no money I am sick of hearing that we have no money I have no money but I get on with it man up and pick your team start dropping the shit that we have and give the kids a go you never know. Well that's it for me for the next 12 games  enjoy. |
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Post by whitesince63 on Oct 24, 2015 10:53:06 GMT
Well said chip. I think the thing that has surprised me most about NL is his complete reluctance to experiment to find a blend allowing the same poorly performing individuals to play week in week out. Same with his set ups with two underperforming wingers each week. Surely he can see what we see? Or can he? Maybe he can't but the simple fact is we have no money to buy quality players so for goodness sake Neil, concentrate on what you do have and actually show your management skills if you really do have any.
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Post by OohMac on Oct 24, 2015 11:27:37 GMT
My team would be Amos, Prince with Wheater, Pisano rb, Casado lb, midfield of Spearing Vela Davies Pratley forwards Clayton Madine get rid of Heskey I said all along he was a waste of a wage.
Agree with that team, I don't think that's the most solid back four - I've not seen Pisano enough though. I think this team would concede a lot of goals, I wouldn't want Spearing and Vela to do a Freedman role and just sit far too deep letting the game pass them by but we have every chance of creating more and winning games and playing decent football. There are a few interchangeable selections too but if we kept that shape two attacking midfielders linking up with two strikers, i think it would work. |
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Post by OohMac on Oct 24, 2015 13:58:50 GMT
Forgot to mention. The big issue with us is obviously goals. We've been woeful this and a lot of the back end of last season but its not fair fair to level all critisism at the strikers. Back in big Sams days we regularly got goals from all over the pitch. Even Freedman got goals from his centre backs, remember his purple patch coincided with Craig Dawson getting 4 or 5 match winners.
Did a check and the last defender to score for us was around February and then that's debatable it was Janko, and i'm sure he was playing left wing back or wing at the time. Before that Twardzick at Derby, again not sure what position. And Mills grabbed a goal in January. Thats a long time ago especially when you consider the height of our centre backs. Prince, Dervite and Wheater all capable. Either crossing is poor, they are not making the right runs either way we aren't doing enough work on the training ground. If we grabbed a few goals it would take a lot of heat off the strikers and rest of the team.
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 25, 2015 10:18:47 GMT
Lennon's a bit like Sherwood over at Villa. A nice bloke, who wants the best for the club, who wants to talk the talk and we want to walk the walk but can not buy a win for love nor money.
Charlton have done it and it's looking like the chief racist Malky McKay is taking over and also look at Lee Carsley over at Brentford, 9 points out of a possible 9 since he took over, so a change of direction is not a bad thing at this time in the season, especially when your holding the rest of the league up.
I'd love to see NL charge this team up the league, but it's just not happening and to be worse off than a year since he took over is unforgivable.
It does make me wonder whether prospective owners have lined Darkshites pockets to make us head to league one so as to purchase the club for less!!!!! Stranger things have happened
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enjoy.