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Post by andyl on Oct 20, 2015 14:39:36 GMT
Beginning to think nobody cares! 10000 tonight?
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Post by andyl on Oct 20, 2015 14:41:14 GMT
If..and it's a big if Neil improves his selection we can win. If 7pm yet again brings Feeney,Danns Dervite and Silva I suspect we won't
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 20, 2015 16:07:16 GMT
Beginning to think nobody cares! 10000 tonight? 10000 and 1 AndyL I'm going for a change Can't see anything other than 0-2 in afraid |
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Post by andyl on Oct 20, 2015 18:32:13 GMT
Well Neil has selected the usual suspects . I hope we get a lead . Good luck Pratley and Mark Davies.
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Post by andyl on Oct 20, 2015 18:33:40 GMT
Pratley will need to be very careful. Hope he can avoid yellows and red as he tries to cover Silva
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Post by riochforthereebok on Oct 20, 2015 19:29:57 GMT
Piss poor goal to concede
WTF Amos!! Command your area
If we had any 'footballers' McAteer Lee etc we'd rip this Brum side apart cos they are 5hit, but slightly better than us as they have a goal
I almost corrected my post then as the ball nearly went in again
Oh dear .....
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Post by OohMac on Oct 20, 2015 20:10:27 GMT
If..and it's a big if Neil improves his selection we can win. If 7pm yet again brings Feeney,Danns Dervite and Silva I suspect we won't Absolutely clueless. Could see it just didn't work at Burnley, we were aimlessly looping balls in and seeing if something stuck. It didn't then, but he thinks it will now. Hard to see this. Even harder seeing Gary Rowett taking a team from the mire to near the top of the table. It can be done, I used to think Lennon could do it. I'm now sure he can't. He keeps picking the usless Dervite who is likely to get a second yellow tonight, Feeney(why?) and he's playing Davies who can't find a position that suits. Lennons record is becoming embarrassing. His teams are becomming softer, easier to beat and they create absolutely nothing. His team talk better be good. Though i just think he's waiting for his severance package now. Where will he end up now because like those that have gone before him, he's left with his reputation in tatters. |
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Post by OohMac on Oct 20, 2015 21:38:05 GMT
NL: "We had two off the line at one point and you've got to score. We decided to go two up because Birmingham let you have possession and we thought we'd take that away and be a bit more direct."
Does this make sense to anyone?
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Post by andyl on Oct 20, 2015 22:05:05 GMT
Another nail in our presumably cut price coffin.Neil is looking quite out of his depth in this league seemingly unable to organise a defence nor resis picking redundant forwards. The first half was dreadful and after Feeney's needless gift of a free kick we saw a comical attempt at zonal defence with Amos stranded and Dervite a far post spectator.
We whinged petulantly in the image of our manager blaming the referee for everything. But the truth was we were outnumbered in midfield from the off. Neil's insistence on selecting two airy fairy sidemen compounded by playing two lumbering hulks up front stuffed Davies and Pratley from the off
a stroke of luck saw Silva injured and withdrawn and although Clayton went like for like left our play to and through him was superior in the second half. For twenty minutes we passed the ball and threatened. Feeney who was dreadful in the first did some good things in the second. Madine is really slow footed and missed two great chances being too easily disposed once right at the end. He also missed a clear header, in fact two.
Amos refused to roll the ball out and we saw countless hoofs returned. He's key and Madine won very few against that colossus of men, Paul Robinson
Dervite and Pratley wereon yellow cards and near to dismissal most of the game.
Neil may say that Brum had no shots and we had several but the truth was they bossed the game with ease apart from twenty minutes. They defended well not least when we shot three times in succession straight at them. Both Feeney and Madine should have scored.
relegation looks inevitable. We are no good going forward and miss too many chances.
amos 5 Derik 6 Wheater 7 Dervite 3 Casado 7( good left foot crosses) Mark Davies 8 ( very good) Pratley 5 Feeney 4(all second half) Silva 1 Madine 3 Heskey 3 Clayton 5 Danns 3
ps Just in case Neil blames him the ref did well and our behaviour was at times indisciplined. Silva may not have dived but it wasn't a penalty and a booking was harsh. But then Silva deserves bookings regularly so no big deal.
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Post by davidm on Oct 20, 2015 23:12:42 GMT
Another nail in our presumably cut price coffin.Neil is looking quite out of his depth in this league seemingly unable to organise a defence nor resis picking redundant forwards. The first half was dreadful and after Feeney's needless gift of a free kick we saw a comical attempt at zonal defence with Amos stranded and Dervite a far post spectator. We whinged petulantly in the image of our manager blaming the referee for everything. But the truth was we were outnumbered in midfield from the off. Neil's insistence on selecting two airy fairy sidemen compounded by playing two lumbering hulks up front stuffed Davies and Pratley from the off a stroke of luck saw Silva injured and withdrawn and although Clayton went like for like left our play to and through him was superior in the second half. For twenty minutes we passed the ball and threatened. Feeney who was dreadful in the first did some good things in the second. Madine is really slow footed and missed two great chances being too easily disposed once right at the end. He also missed a clear header, in fact two. Amos refused to roll the ball out and we saw countless hoofs returned. He's key and Madine won very few against that colossus of men, Paul Robinson Dervite and Pratley wereon yellow cards and near to dismissal most of the game. Neil may say that Brum had no shots and we had several but the truth was they bossed the game with ease apart from twenty minutes. They defended well not least when we shot three times in succession straight at them. Both Feeney and Madine should have scored. relegation looks inevitable. We are no good going forward and miss too many chances. amos 5 Derik 6 Wheater 7 Dervite 3 Casado 7( good left foot crosses) Mark Davies 8 ( very good) Pratley 5 Feeney 4(all second half) Silva 1 Madine 3 Heskey 3 Clayton 5 Danns 3 ps Just in case Neil blames him the ref did well and our behaviour was at times indisciplined. Silva may not have dived but it wasn't a penalty and a booking was harsh. But then Silva deserves bookings regularly so no big deal. Agree with practically everything there, Andy. Probably not Davies' mark - he plays much too deep. Not his fault, I know but he is not using his talents correctly. This was a dreadful performance, perhaps summed up by the fact that it was 8 mins and 30 secs before we had our first attack. That was when their keeper touched the ball for the first time. It was only 1-0 and appears tight but that's all Birmingham needed - they were so in control. The team selection was farcical. Because Heskey played, we just lumped the ball up all night and created no danger. We cannot, must never again!, play both Feeney and Wellington in the same side. I have continually said this because our midfield get overrun endlessly. There were some scrambles, near misses but they mainly fell to Feeney who made a hash of at least 3 attempts. Pratley also messed up a great chance. Incidentally, if Pratley is not match-fit, as it looks, he should get fit in the reserves(development squad) not the first team. I can't recall a game when I have seen so many rank bad passes. Overall, awful team selection, awful tactics, poor standard players, manager losing all ideas. Relegation looks odds on. Terrible match but I won the half-time pies!!! Amos - 5 - terrible distribution although this might be instructions from management Derik - 5 - not a full back. Did little forward work. Wheater - 6 - up front for final 5 minutes - ridiculous Dervite - 3 - really poor. Looking for a red card most of the night Casado - 7 - a few odd mistakes but the only one who could centre a ball. Can teach both Feeney and Wellington a thing or two Davies - 6 - totally wasted in such a deep position Pratley - 4 - back to the average player that we saw for 2 or 3 seasons back. Does not look fit Feeney - 2 - awful. I cannot think of one good centre that he put in. Wellington - 2 - other than the penalty appeal, completely out of the game Madine - 4 out played by Paul Robinson. Much too weak. Heskey - 2 - terrible. Really, he should not be in the squad. Clayton - 5 pushed onto wing which is not his position. Manager - 2 - dreadful team selection, dreadful tactics. I still believe that he is a good manager but my faith is sinking fast after this unfathomable performance. What has Josh Vela done wrong? |
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Post by andyl on Oct 21, 2015 3:49:53 GMT
I like Davies playing deeper. He missed very few passes and was in the game. We have seen him so often wide and he gets lost.
I agree that other than from Davies the only glimpses of skill came from Casado. He looks a bit hot headed but there is hope that he and Moxey together will do well on the left. May Silva ' s hamstring tighten
Neil needs to stop blathering about composure, quality and frustration and bite the bullet. We were better without Danns. Now he must shed Dervite and Feeney. They just aren't good enough other than for moments. Fine let Feeney be a sub. Trotter Vela Medo and Spearing are all better than Feeney and Silva.
What is the story with Vela?
I do agree that Brum were there for the taking. In that kit thethey were more akin to something you might eat than play football with . But Rowett has shown that a lack of quality can be organised. They were too good for us. Yet another manager out thought and out performed ours. Would Neil have even subbed Silva had his hand not been forced?
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Post by spanishjonny on Oct 21, 2015 7:34:37 GMT
Silva should have toasted Robinson but for the first 20 mins the ball never went on to the left side, the first run he had into the box he dived and got injured!
Lennon brought in Wilson and Pissaro at right back but then plays Derik there?
Prince may not be the greatest centre back we've ever had but he's ten times quicker than Dervite and Wheater
Vela is obviously going in January and Pratley's not fit or back to how he was under Dougie, useless!
Clayton came on and had to play wide left, he needed to be more central to create a scoring opportunity for himself
As for Lennons love child Feeney, he must waste more possession than any body on the pitch, if you were a midfield player running 20-30 yards to get on the end of a cross
only to see the ball sail 10 foot over you and go out for a throw on the other side, gutting!
Birmingham didn't even look that good, they were there for the taking!
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Post by bonaparte on Oct 21, 2015 7:41:22 GMT
I can only agree with all that has been said.
When I saw the team sheet I forecast 3-0, this, to my mind, was only avoided by Birmingham being content with the one goal, believing that Bolton, true as it turned out, could not score.
The lack of contributors to this site, and the lack of attendees 13,000 not counting Birmingham, and presumably counting non attending season ticket holders, shows a steep decline in interest in the club, which should be worrying to Gartside and Davies. But they are ok so I guess not, whatever happens on the pitch.
It is going to be difficult to avoid relegation, as Preston, Wigan and Blackpool, and difficult to get back soon.
Neil Lennon is too rigid in his thinking to look beyond his two, poorly performing wingers, and build a team from the back, the goals against cry out for it.
He cannot do much worse than try a team something like, subject to fitness etc :-
Amos (though he has lost some of his charm recently)
Vela, Prince, Wheater Moxey (orCasado
Osade
Spearing, Pratley
Davies.
Clayton, Madine
With a view to bring on Feeney, Wellington and Danns early in the second half to change the shape and introduce fresh legs.
But who am I, only a downhearted season ticket holder, who has seen this all before.
ps Has Mark Davies set a new record for being fit for selection matches ?
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Post by westandlower on Oct 21, 2015 9:33:42 GMT
I like Bonapartes joke about Davies fitness.
So many seem to like Vela but for me he plays at one pace and dwells on the ball too much. You can play that way in other leagues but not this one.
Couldn't believe Birminghams goal. Feeney was naive to give away the free kick. Hardly touched the guy who went down very easily (and did so the whole time he was on the pitch). Ref gave the free kick whilst ignoring more obvious shirt pulls elsewhere. Ok cross but six defenders all waited for someone else to clear it. Deserved what we got there.
Apart from brief snatches Pratley was not in the game. As others have said: not fit.
Casado had an ok game as did Davies. Struggling to think of anyone else who played to potential.
Why oh why does Feeney over hit his crosses by 25 yards 9 times out of 10? Some stats shown on the telly downstairs showed we had the most crosses in the division but didn't appear in the top 6 for accurate crosses. Says it all.
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Post by andyl on Oct 21, 2015 9:55:41 GMT
I thought Casado crossed well! Drop Feeney and Silva and put Moxey and Casado in harness plus Vela and Pisano or Wilson on the right. We might then begin to get somewhere! Must get rid of deadwood.Now!
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